Tone

It all started when I was watching Crimson Rivers, but in French. It hit me that I’d seen it in English before, and then it clicked—they actually filmed two different versions of the movie...
one in French and one in English...

When I mentioned this to a buddy of mine, he basically called me an idiot. He insisted that when movies are shot, actors just mouth the words and then they record all the audio later in a studio!

I told him that's first, totally nonsensical, second, insanely expensive, and third, just plain stupid...

He’s 100% convinced that for every single movie, they just capture the visuals and then handle the dialogue in post-production...

I pointed out that sure, that’s how animated movies work, but doing that in live-action is so ridiculous it’s almost painful...

Anyway, we got back to my place, I turned on the TV, found some random movie, and cranked the volume. There was this close-up of a guy in a coffee shop telling a story, and you could literally hear the wet smacking sounds of him chewing while he talked...
I told my friend there is absolutely NO way you can recreate that kind of detail in a studio...
you just can't sync stuff that perfectly later on...

Then I asked him, if that were true, what on earth are all those boom mics and lavaliers scattered all over the set for?

After all that, he just doubled down. He said he still thinks he's right and doesn't want to argue, so he suggested we ask someone who actually knows about film and go from there...

I reached out to an old acquaintance of mine who works in the industry, and he laughed. He said believing that is like saying actors show up to the set naked and they just digitally add their clothes in later...

I am honestly ready to bet a serious amount of money on this because I know I'm right...
but I haven't slept for two days because I can't believe he's missing something so obvious. He's a good friend, but man...

Please, either talk sense into me or explain it to him...

Thanks 😉

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Man, I seriously can't believe this... look, buddy, you are genuinely off base here.

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The only time you really hear voiceovers added to a movie is when they're translating it for a different language market. But even then, they don't bother with subtitles; they just go full dubbing mode.

FOR EXAMPLE: look at how all the German networks handle things over there... 😠

Harold King54 said:It all started when I watched Crimson River, but in French. It hit me that I’d actually seen it in English before, and then I realized they had basically filmed two different movies...
one version in French and one in English...

When I mentioned this to a friend, he just called me an idiot and explained that when a movie is being shot, actors just move their mouths aimlessly while the actual audio is recorded later in a studio!

You should tell your friend that movies aren't even actually filmed: what you see on the Cinema screen are giants living inside the theater, trapped behind glass like fish in an aquarium. As for what you see on TV, those are just little gnomes who are incredibly fast at disguising themselves and possess some truly impressive stage machinery.

hm.
I’m totally convinced that’s exactly how they recorded dialogue in those old classic American movies! You know what I mean? The voices coming out of the actors just don't have that sense of "space." You can actually HEAR the sound bouncing off the wooden walls of some studio where they're dubbing everything in later.
Basically, if a scene is supposed to be happening outside, it just doesn't sound like it's actually happening there. It feels fake.

On the flip side, I really don't think that's how things are done anymore. Technology has come such a long way! There's zero point in doing all that extra work in a studio when those high-end microphones on set can capture and transmit perfectly authentic sound right from the location.

Maybe the outdated recording tech from 20 or 30 years ago made it necessary back then, but not now!

Based on my experience in the adult industry, I can tell you that these films are shot completely out of sync. Once we wrap a scene, my partner and I (or whoever else is on set) head back to the studio to actually perform, making sure our breathing and reactions perfectly match the footage we just captured. It’s grueling work. Sometimes we have to run through the same scene five times just to get it right.

rapidstag74 said:Based on my time working in the adult industry, I can tell you that these movies aren't recorded with live audio. Once we wrap up filming, my partners and I head back to the studio to redo the scenes, making sure our breathing perfectly matches the facial expressions captured on camera. It’s grueling work. We often have to retake the same sequence five times just to get it right.

Good grief. My heart breaks for them. That sounds like an absolutely brutal way to make a living.

casualotter21 said:Poor guy! My heart goes out to you! That sounds like a hell of a job.

You don't know the half of it.

rapidstag74 said:Based on my time working in the adult industry, I can tell you that these movies aren't actually captured live. Once we wrap up the actual filming, my partner and I (or whoever else is in the scene) head back into the studio to redo the action, making sure our breathing and sounds perfectly match the facial expressions shown on screen. It’s honestly pretty exhausting work. There are times when we have to run through the exact same sequence five different times just to get it right.

Hmhm, sounds to me like you've definitely put in enough overtime to qualify for some serious pension credits. Have you checked in with your union about that yet?

silentharbor88 said:Hmhm, sounds like you've earned enough seniority for some extra benefits. Have you checked with your union?

Even though I’ve become a total legend in this genre (just look up Le Big Nef on IMDb.com(Pornhub) 😉), my hard work still isn't getting the recognition it deserves.
Maybe if I were just a blonde with silicone implants...

rapidstag74 said:Even though I’ve become an absolute legend in this genre (just check out Le Big Nef on IMDb.com(Pornhub) 😉), my hard work still seems to go largely unappreciated.
Perhaps if I were just some blonde with silicone implants...

rapidstag74, really... First you're on Television rambling about wanting to dress up in a vampire skirt, and now you're over here on Cinema claiming you want silicone breasts. Do you actually have any meaningful insights you'd like to share with us?

Back in the day, certain older films—especially those produced right here in America—underwent post-production dubbing after the fact.
Nowadays, that’s largely a thing of the past. We have access to incredibly sophisticated microphone technology that captures even the faintest nuance of sound. Of course, once everything is recorded, all those audio layers are digitally processed and routed through various channels, where we can precisely boost or dampen specific sounds based on what needs to take center stage.

"I am absolutely sick of this whole cinematic nonsense!!"

😬 😬

casualotter21 said:rapidstag74, rapidstag74... First you’re posting on Televizija about wanting to dress up like a vampire slayer, and now on Cinema you're talking about wanting silicone breasts. Got any actual wisdom to share with us?

Yes. I find it fundamentally unfair that only women get to be professional kung-fu fighters against vampires.

Besides, I never said I wanted to wear leather. That was Creeping Death. You Metallica fans. You lot are trouble. 😁

PS
The dialogue is usually recorded on set. If the result isn't up to par, they re-sync it in a studio. Take one of the trailers for Clone Attack (the one where Obi-Wan says: "Stay away from the power couplings") and compare it to the actual scene in the movie. You'll see the second version is much better—it actually feels like Obi is there, reacting to the current.

feralgardener502 said:Hmm.
I’m pretty convinced that’s exactly how dialogue was recorded in older American films. The voices coming out of the actors just lack that sense of "space." You can actually HEAR the sound bouncing off the wooden walls of the studio where they're dubbing the dialogue over the footage.
Basically, if a scene is supposed to be happening outdoors, it just doesn't sound like it's actually taking place there.

On the flip side, I don't think that's how things are done anymore. Technology has come such a long way that there's really no point in doing all that extra work in a studio when those high-end microphones on set can capture and transmit perfectly authentic sound right from the location.

The outdated recording tech from maybe 20 or 30 years ago might have made it necessary back then.

I'd definitely sign off on this post. 👍

So, wukče, you didn't win the bet, but neither did your buddy, because there are some movies where the sound is recorded live and others where it's dubbed in a studio later. (And by that, I mean the voices, obviously).

Sure, recording voices in a studio is almost a thing of the past thanks to advanced technology—to use the same phrase as feralgardener502—but it still happens here and there.

They were showing that movie "Woman Falcon" on the local network yesterday... and I mean, it was so painfully obvious that the voices were recorded afterward that it actually hurt to watch. 😁 But hey, it's an old movie.

This is how the magic actually happens; first you shoot the whole thing under basically nothing—no sound, no color, just raw footage without any fancy editing—then you take those sequences and dump them into this device called a reckognizzer that hooks up to your PC via USB, and from there you use lip-reading software like ReadLips 3.0 to layer in whatever audio you want, which can be modulated however you see fit. You don't even touch the color until after you've mapped out those imaginary lines that let you separate the moving parts from the static background, and only then can you actually assign colors to specific objects. It’s a process used in tons of modern movies nowadays, something like O Brother, Where Art Thou?.
Look, obviously if you want gear that actually works, you're gonna have to shell out some extra cash.

Wuce, does that friend of yours actually dig "Modern Times"?

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rapidstag74 said:Maybe I am just a blonde with some silicone implants...

Don't even sweat it—brunettes with implants are totally making a comeback!

Icepick said:That movie "Woman Sokol" was on ABC last night... honestly, the dubbing was so painfully obvious it actually hurt to watch. 😁

The soundtrack was even worse.
I remember the trailer:

...power...
...magic...
...eagle...
...wolf...
...disco...

...It hurts.