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Life of David Gale (2003)

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Jamie Sanchez48 Jamie Sanchez48 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Watched Life of David Gale by Alan Parker.

I walked away feeling pretty disappointed, and honestly, I have to wonder why... mostly because I expected much more from Alan Parker. It wasn't even about the twist at the end or the actual plot itself. To me, the story isn't usually what matters most; it’s the execution. Any narrative can be tedious or brilliant depending on how it's framed. Even when there isn't much of a story to speak of, a film can still be exceptional if handled right...

Now, I don't want to get carried away or lecture anyone on Mr. Parker's penchant for tackling "socially conscious" themes—even if he is British rather than American—but I should mention this is a film centered on the death penalty...

Most people will probably catch onto the central point early on, though that's beside the point; I was hoping the journey toward that revelation would make the runtime worthwhile, but... nothing. Absolutely nothing. Neither Kevin Spacey, nor Laura Linney, nor Winslet, nor even Parker's own sons who composed the score could manage to turn this into something compelling.
It's a shame, really, considering Parker doesn't release films often enough to justify letting one slip by like this...
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active Member
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#2 ·
WARNING - SPOILERS AHEAD

I mean, I'm not really talking about myself anyway... not particularly interested.

If anyone actually makes movies where the story is the whole point, it’s Alan Parker. I mean, look at 'Mississippi Burning', 'Midnight Express', 'Angel Heart', 'Come See the Paradise', 'Angela's Ashes', and so on—those are all just exceptional, gripping, unconventional, and always controversial stories that basically form the backbone of Parker's entire body of work.

LODG feels similar. There are really two ways to look at the death penalty issue. First, there's the moral argument—the idea that capital punishment isn't humane and doesn't even work as a deterrent for serious crimes, so we should just scrap it.
The second approach is much more tangible, though. It's that eternal question: is the person sentenced to die actually the one who committed the crime? How can we ever be sure justice was served? Pretty early on in the film, you realize the moral debate is heavily loaded with political undertones, and arguing about whether the death penalty is "moral" feels pretty hollow when a huge chunk of the population still believes in that Biblical 'eye for an eye' mentality. So, the plot quickly shifts focus toward that second angle—trying to prove the system is fundamentally flawed, because honestly, just one innocent person being executed would be enough reason to abolish it entirely. From that point on, the movie turns into more of an action piece rather than a philosophical discussion (like that TV interview between Gale and the Governor), which makes the story feel much more cohesive within its own context.
Jamie Sanchez48 Jamie Sanchez48 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
Look, when I say the plot isn't the most important thing, this is essentially what I mean:

A screenwriter crafts the story, and then it’s up to the director and the producer to actually bring that vision to life. That execution can be brilliant or it can be a disaster, regardless of how good the underlying script might be.
Take Angel Heart, for instance—one of my absolute favorites—what is the actual plot? The Devil hires a detective to investigate someone who, in an attempt to escape a deal with the Devil, ends up becoming that very detective.
It’s a heavy concept. A powerful story 🙄...
But the movie itself works phenomenally; it stands as one of the definitive film noir classics.

In my view, the substance of the plot isn't the deciding factor in whether a film succeeds. If I connect that thought to Life of DG—it might be a compelling enough premise for some, but the film itself feels thin and uninspired. As for the whole debate surrounding the death penalty—well, if Parker was trying to provoke any real reflection on the matter, he missed the mark entirely... even though I generally have a lot of respect for his work.
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active Member
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#4 ·
one of THE noir films.

I agree absolutely.

For me, the story and the lead character—plus the main villain—are basically the soul of the movie. That’s the skeleton the director builds everything else around: the atmosphere, the tension, the raw emotion, the thrill, all of it. Every decent noir film needs more than just killer direction and moody cinematography; it needs a real narrative. It needs that thriller element to give the style some actual legitimacy... kind of gives the director's stylistic choices a reason to exist. I've seen plenty of movies that are stylistically perfect, executed to perfection, but they're just empty. No emotion, no substance, leaves you feeling nothing at all.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#5 ·
The Life of David Gale... film noir 😲 🙄

Come on, guys, stop being ridiculous... you can't even call that movie neo-noir. The last true film noir was made back in 1958 (Touch of Evil).

Actually, I think you might have things mixed up... since the screenplay for Life of d. g. was inspired by F. Lang's noir classic "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt".
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active Member
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#6 ·
PBE - that mention of film noir is actually a nod to 'Angel Heart,' which pretty much gives away who's doing the reading 😉
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 Member
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#7 ·
Finally caught up and watched it yesterday... after a bit of a "delay," if you can call it that.
My takeaway? It’s such a shame because the subject matter is actually fascinating, but the execution feels incredibly clunky and heavy-handed.
From the very opening credits, Parker makes his stance crystal clear and refuses to budge an inch throughout the entire runtime: capital punishment is an obsolete relic, and the USA absolutely needs to move past it. Throughout the film, they drop these very blunt data points—like how most mass murderers apparently vote Republican, or how the practice doesn't even exist in places like France or Germany. Even the protest scenes feel like caricatures; you have this group of religious fanatics and rednecks cheering for the death penalty, while the opposition is just a collection of liberals, volunteers, and underfunded NGOs. It all feels so overly simplified, almost too black-and-white. Where are the actual moral complexities? Where are the deep ethical dilemmas or the messy internal conflicts? You won't find them here.

Fair warning! If you haven't seen the movie yet but want to, please skip the rest of this post!
Of course, as if making a point wasn't enough, Parker decides to really hammer home his agenda by giving Constance (Laura Linney) a terminal illness—leukemia—and painting David Gale (Kevin Spacey) as this broken alcoholic, divorced guy who's lost access to his kid right before everything goes down. It completely shifts the weight of their shared act, doesn't it? If Parker had actually had the balls to portray them as two perfectly "normal" people making a conscious, deliberate choice to do what they did... man, wouldn't that have been gripping? In that scenario, their behavior might have actually aligned with what the American psychologist Lawrence Kohlberg describes in his theory of moral development as the highest sixth level of moral consciousness: acting beyond individualistic principles to uphold universal norms (sort of like Kurtz in Apocalypse Now).
Instead, we just get yet another retread of the same old story about a lone individual fighting against "the system," an unjust modern society, and sensationalist media... blah, blah, blah... 🙄
Donna Reed91 Donna Reed91 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Hey everyone, I could really use some help here!
So, I was watching this movie yesterday, and out of nowhere, it just cuts off five minutes before the end. After a ten-minute break, they finally brought it back, but it felt like a chunk—maybe thirty seconds or so—was just missing from the footage. Since we were right at the climax, you can probably imagine how much that sucked. It’s not the end of the world, obviously, but I’m dying to know what actually happened in those "missing" seconds.
😢
mistyfox812 mistyfox812 Regular
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joined Mar 2004
#9 ·
But how am I even supposed to know which part's missing? Like, what happened first and what came after?
Elizabeth Sanchez2 Elizabeth Sanchez2 Active Member
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#10 ·
I actually liked the movie—but what exactly qualifies as a film noir anyway?
Gerald Rivera60 Gerald Rivera60 Active Member
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#11 ·
Elizabeth Sanchez2 said:I actually enjoyed the movie, but what even qualifies as a film noir?


http://www.filmsite.org/filmnoir.html
restlessowl52 restlessowl52 Member
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joined Apr 2003
#12 ·
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt - I watched this one on Netflix a long time ago 🙏 🙏 🙏 K. Spacey was absolutely incredible in this, and honestly, the story itself is just fantastic
driftingbear29 driftingbear29 Active Member
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#13 ·
I hope I don't get banned for bringing up such an old topic 🤌 nine years ago🤣 😍 😂

But seriously, this movie is absolutely flawless! 😲 😍 The ending is definitely a bit creepy, but it’s fascinating how meticulously everything was planned out... it all feels like one giant puzzle! 🙂 Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet were incredible. A few times I actually found myself laughing out loud😁 New York City is a total would if I could 🙂 I loved how even an hour after the credits rolled, the story was still playing in my head. That really doesn't happen often...

Definitely recommend this film🙏 It reminded me quite a bit of Incendies, which I watched recently🍿

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