The Lord of the Rings phenomenon: please fill me in...

But you just can't compare books to movies—they’re two entirely different art forms. I love them both for what they are!

👍 Exactly! A movie is its own beast and shouldn't be judged by book standards. Honestly, almost every film I've seen after reading the book felt like a step down (except maybe Smokey Bear during the war, which was slightly better). You simply can't cram an entire novel into a 90-minute runtime.

My biggest gripe with Jackson is that quasi-happy ending he forced onto the end of TTT. The second book ends on such a brilliant, dark note, and he just... ruined it. It feels like he sacrificed the depth of the second installment just to pack more action into ROTK—which, let's face it, is already loaded with it (think Death Valley, the siege of Rivendell...).

Visually, he didn't have much room to play with anyway. Tolkien provided sketches in every edition I've ever owned, so fans already have a very specific mental image of how those locations should look.

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So you mentioned you've only made it halfway through >? Honestly, that whole book started out as stories > used to tell his grandkids. In my opinion, compared to >, it feels more like a children's fairy tale—it doesn't dive nearly as deep into the lore as > does. But hey, if you ever find some downtime, try to push through at least half of the first book. Don't just give up after those first 50 pages! I promise, once the curiosity kicks in, you'll find yourself wanting to finish the whole thing.

Lord of the Rings is completely washed up...

The Matrix is what matters now. Honestly, I don't know how anyone still finds the energy to debate LOTR...

ravana said:As a former high schooler who listens to heavy metal, I just don't like these books. They're mainstream fantasy to me. It's pop, not metal.🙂
Very detailed, but it lacks depth and "mysticism." If you take out the trolls and orcs, Zola could have written this too.😛
The movies are actually better—I suppose seeing those special effects is interesting. Back in my high school days, though, I preferred other books in the genre. Most of all, I was moved by Dune (well, that's sci-fi, after all). That book has "something" about it, whereas Tolkien reads like a newspaper article in terms of style and spirit.
Besides, even the movie version of Dune (that Italian production) is better than the Rings, even if it didn't seem that way on first watch.
Both the book and the film are interesting, but they aren't the kind of things that leave a deep impression or something you'd want to rewatch multiple times.

Mainstream fantasy, huh? You say that as if there's some sort of underground or alternative fantasy. After Tolkien, everyone took a little inspiration from him, and some copied him shamelessly (Jordan). Before Tolkien, there was Howard and his Conan in those Golden Axe-style stories where Conan wanders around and screws people over.
And compared to Dune and Herbert's cold writing style, it’s certainly better. No mysticism? Yeah, right. No depth? The man wrote the entire history of Middle-earth! It doesn't get any deeper than that.

Legion, from what I can gather after scouring just about every corner of the internet, Jackson never actually promised he would follow the books to the letter. His actual stance was more about striving to create a version of the story that he personally would have wanted to see if someone else were at the helm.
I’m a massive book lover myself—the kind of person who rereads favorites multiple times just to catch what I missed. To be perfectly honest, *The Two Towers* is the only part where I felt a bit let down; specifically, I really missed the presence of the Huorn, and I feel they completely misrepresented Faramir's character. As for *The Fellowship of the Ring*, it was decent enough, though I still have a few minor gripes. Personally, I found Elrond's council much more compelling in the text—I mean, the way he orchestrated the gathering of the fellowship felt much more organic than the cinematic version, which felt a bit sluggish to me.
I'm genuinely holding out hope that the third installment will be the best one yet. And honestly? The fact that *The Two Towers* ends differently than the novel might actually be a blessing in disguise. If they had stuck strictly to the book's ending, the wait for the finale would have been agonizing. Plus, there's the practical side of things—the movie would have had to run for four hours! I read somewhere that if they had stayed faithful to the source material, we would have ended up with a four-hour second film followed by a rushed 80-minute third one.