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Good Bye, Lenin!

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Participants Jacob Lee11Robert Cooper41copperrider12Noah Harris50Henry Wilson48Larry Cruz51goldentinker79silentharbor88Joseph Scott5Alex WilsonANathan Roberts22mistyfox812dustyharbor7driftingeagle27Anthony BaileyAmy Mendoza25Richard Thompson33brighttiger6Anthony Kim18Linda White41Karen Fisher60amberwolf2
dustyharbor7 dustyharbor7 Member
21 messages
joined Mar 2004
#21 ·
Oh, I actually put "Goodbye Lenin" down earlier, but then I saw that list of movies you posted—sorry about that...

Anyway, what are your thoughts on this one? I'm not quite sure how they translated the title "Sonnenallee" over here in the States...

Overall, it’s a pretty solid film. It’s been a long time since I last watched it, but I think I might give it another look sometime soon.
driftingeagle27 driftingeagle27 Active Member
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joined Oct 2009
#22 ·
The whole idea of deceiving someone "out of love" is just revolting, honestly; the social commentary feels about as deep as some middle schooler’s half-baked essay. The real kicker is how toward the end, the mother basically finds out what's actually going on, but because she’s so worn down by her son’s pathetic little stunts, she just plays along like his schemes are still working on her.

And you’re telling me, Robert Cooper41, that this movie sparked public controversy? Is any of that debate actually worth anything? If it were, we’d be cranking out cheap, tear-jerker movies about Warsaw, Ottawa, Ovčar, Ćuruvija, Stambolić, Đinđić, or "Mr. Legija" just to finally force everyone in this country to deal with those tragedies head-on.
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 Member
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joined Dec 2002
#23 ·
driftingeagle27 said:So, you’re telling me, Robert Cooper41, that this movie sparked public controversy? But let me ask you something—is any of this debate actually substantive? Is there even any real intellectual weight behind these arguments? Because if we actually wanted to deal with our past, if we truly wanted to face the darkness head-on, wouldn't we need to stop playing around and start producing some serious, heavy-hitting cinema about the tragedies in Warsaw, Ottawa, or Ovčar? We should be making unflinching films about what happened at Ćuruvija, or the fates of Stambolić and Đinđić, or even the whole mess involving "Mr. Legija." Wouldn't that finally force a real, massive, and honest confrontation with everything we've done? Instead, we just get these endless, shallow debates that go nowhere!

But what if I told you that the entire movement actually gained its momentum only after this film hit theaters? Isn't it fascinating how much power a single piece of cinema can hold over the collective consciousness? You have to wonder, really—did the film follow the culture, or did it act as the very spark that ignited the fire? It makes you think about how many other historical shifts were actually triggered by a flickering image on a screen rather than some grand political decree! Is there anything more insidious, more quietly corrosive to the modern psyche, than this pervasive, suffocating sense of "nostalgia"? It’s a trap, isn't it? A psychological cul-de-sac that we all seem to be stumbling into lately, looking backward with such desperate, wide-eyed longing for a past that—if we’re being honest with ourselves for even a single moment—never actually existed in the way we’ve polished it up in our memories? We find ourselves mourning a golden age that was nothing more than a collection of convenient illusions, aren't we? We cling to these faded, sepia-toned snapshots of "simpler times," ignoring the grit and the chaos that were always part of the fabric, just so we can feel a momentary, fleeting sense of comfort in a world that feels increasingly unrecognizable. Why are we so terrified of the present that we'd rather live in a ghost story of our own making? It sounds like we’re looking at that specific kind of confrontation again... you know, the kind that forces everything out into the light. Honestly, if we wanted to, we could follow the lead of people like the Germans and, in fifty years' time, go through that same process of reckoning ourselves. Why shouldn't we? Is there any other way to truly move forward? 😁
Seriously though... take Susan Neiman, for instance. She’s this philosophy professor based out of Berlin who has essentially "dedicated" her entire career to dissecting the roots of destruction, violence, and the sheer nature of evil throughout history—her latest book, "Evil in Modern Thought: an alternative history of Philosophy," dives right into that rabbit hole. Isn't it fascinating how some minds just gravitate toward the darkest corners of our collective existence?Is there anything else that captures the sheer weight of intellectual darkness quite like "Evil in Modern Thought: An Alternative History of Philosophy"? Honestly, I find myself constantly returning to its pages, wrestling with those dense, sweeping arguments that seem to pull the rug out from under everything we thought we understood about the progression of Western ideas. It’s one of those rare, heavy-hitting works that doesn't just present a timeline, but actively challenges the very foundations of how we perceive the evolution of morality and reason. Why is it that we always assume philosophy moves in such a straight, upward line toward enlightenment? This book dares to suggest a much more fractured, perhaps even sinister, trajectory, and frankly, it makes you question if our modern sense of progress is nothing more than a carefully constructed illusion. It's exhausting, brilliant, and deeply unsettling all at once.Last year, during one of those panel discussions at the CZKD center—the one titled "New Patriotism: Left, Right, East, West"—Susan Neiman was speaking about this film, arguing that it’s absolutely vital for German society. Now, I don't mean its "artistic merit" or any such lofty nonsense, because let's be honest, that's rarely the point, isn't it? No, she was emphasizing how crucial it is for forcing the public to actually look at certain events from the past... things that have been swept under the rug and largely ignored for far too long.

The subject matter itself doesn't inherently dictate whether a conversation is going to be high-quality or complete garbage... isn't it obvious that everything ultimately hinges on the actual people sitting around the table? It’s all about the participants, really!
But here we go again—we’re slowly drifting back toward the topic of the film *Lepa selo lepo gore*, and honestly, haven't we already spent far too much time dwelling on this? It feels like we’ve been circling this drain for ages, hasn't it?
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
271 messages
joined May 2003
#24 ·
The movie is alright,
though it makes it look like East Germany was some kind of utopia.
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A naked guy is always a win in my book.
😬

And... I had no idea Americans could be that cold—at least, that’s how it comes across in the film.
That reunion with the father, someone they hadn't seen since they were kids, felt incredibly detached. It felt weird to me—I was practically in tears, yet these people acted like nothing happened.
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A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#25 ·
It’s a fun movie. Simple, straightforward, and doesn't try too hard—it really won me over (and I can see it did the same for you 😉)

Cheers
Amy Mendoza25 Amy Mendoza25 Member
39 messages
joined Nov 2015
#26 ·
honestly, I don't really care 😛
Richard Thompson33 Richard Thompson33 Active Member
58 messages
joined May 2004
#27 ·
As long as I can remember, I’ve been a fan, so I can only join those who really loved 🙂
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brighttiger6 brighttiger6 Member
31 messages
joined Aug 2005
#28 ·
wes craven said:A German film. Honestly, this probably won't interest anyone since it's playing in Germany and likely won't make its way over here—maybe a screening in a small town like Aspen, though I suspect it would perform well domestically. One could successfully market it using socialist nostalgia, even if the film doesn't actually lean into that.
The film is excellent. It's entertaining, and the people sitting next to me were actually moved to tears. If you understand German and have the chance to see it, it carries my highest recommendation.
It isn't difficult to follow (I am referring to those East German references that might be obscure unless you know the language), though having a local there to provide a bit of context wouldn't hurt.

For instance—"Spreewald pickles"—a specific brand from the former East Germany.

IMDb

Great movie, one of my favorites... though they do say I have strange taste.
Anthony Kim18 Anthony Kim18 Active Member
238 messages
joined Apr 2006
#29 ·
I was kind of hoping for something with a bit more meat on its bones...
Linda White41 Linda White41 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Oct 2007
#30 ·
It’s been a while since I watched him, but man, he’s just so good🙂—really charming, too.
Karen Fisher60 Karen Fisher60 Newcomer
2 messages
joined May 2007
#31 ·
I'm with you on that. It’s easily one of my all-time favorites—really charming stuff—even if I have to admit it starts losing its momentum once it hits the home stretch...
amberwolf2 amberwolf2 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2007
#32 ·
Yeah, exactly. It’s a charming little movie. And honestly, that kid playing the lead? Absolutely adorable. 😁
Anthony Kim18 Anthony Kim18 Active Member
238 messages
joined Apr 2006
#33 ·
I don't know, a setup like this just has way more potential for drama, tension, irony, metaphors...

Mexicans would make a better movie...

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