350 points - mass ban evasion and partial ban

This thread serves as a follow-up to the original discussion.

There are two main reasons I’m starting this:
1. I can't post on the KzB board anymore.
2. I still haven't received answers to the questions I raised.

Thirdly—and this is just as significant—I was partially banned from the Formula 1 sub-forum.

The only explanation offered by the moderator was that I "wouldn't stop bashing drivers and constantly trolling various fans on the Formula 1 board."
So, does bashing and belittling other drivers equal 350 points, a massive troll, and a partial ban?

2. - I already explained to you.
This isn't about just one or two posts; it's a massive string of them stretching through this entire thread.
With the server acting up, I honestly didn't have the chance to click through the posts in the mod panel because of constant 503, 504, and 408 errors.
Besides that, you got the warning on your profile because you've been relentlessly trolling and baiting fans using the exact same pattern.

3. - Unfortunately, you didn't give us any other choice.
You've been warned—I don't even know how many times at this point—to stop trolling and provoking various Reddit users and fans regarding Formula 1, and you were warned over a long period by every single moderator on this sub.
But you didn't just refuse to stop; after every single warning, you kept right on going, and then you moved on to provoking the moderators too.
Then you started dragging old, irrelevant, or even completely random posts into your appeals, including stuff from years ago, just looping endlessly until you get bored...

You were warned that if you didn't drop the act, you'd face another partial ban on Formula 1.
Instead, you kept it up, and that's exactly why you got it.
Quite frankly, we just don't have the energy, the time, or the desire to keep explaining the same things to you over and over again just because you don't like the answers.

That was a very fair and thorough explanation from the moderator. I honestly don't have anything else to add.

I just received a DM regarding my access being revoked from the Formula 1 section.

stormybadger8 said:Due to constant trolling, provoking users and moderators, and incessantly dragging out and dissecting every single warning and response within the Feedback and Appeals sections.
You have been banned from the Formula 1 section.

I have no intention or need to lie, so I am providing a screenshot of this official statement from the moderator as proof.

"Due to constant trolling, provoking users and moderators"
Constant trolling?

I have no active warnings for trolling, and in the last 180 days, I’ve received exactly one warning for trolling. That is easily verifiable by stormybadger8, and easily verifiable by any other moderator or administrator.

Therefore, knowing these facts, the claim of "constant trolling" clearly falls apart.

The second part of the explanation is, to put it mildly, even more ridiculous:

"and incessantly dragging out and dissecting every single warning and response within the Feedback and Appeals sections."

Is the Feedback section meant for appeals? It is.
Does the sub-header for the Feedback section say "Your suggestions, ideas, appeals, and comments. How to make this forum better and more civilized."? It does.
Is the Appeals section meant for contesting an unfair ban? It is.
Does the sub-header for the Appeals section say "Unfair ban? Appeal here"? It does.

What was I doing in those sections? Appealing warnings and bans. Is there anything wrong with that?

Yet, when I look at the list of editors for Feedback and Appeals, I only see a few names.
stormybadger8 isn't even on it.
Regarding my posts in the Feedback and Appeals sections, you are just as responsible as I am. The two of us are equal participants here, discussing the exact topics those sections were created for.

That is point one.

The second point—and the more important one—is this: by what rule or principle am I being penalized for the Formula 1 section based on my activity in two entirely different sub-forums?
And that activity was done strictly according to the intended purpose and description of those two sub-forums.

So, given these facts, it is obvious that the claim about "constantly dragging out and dissecting every warning and response in the Feedback and Appeals sections" also fails to hold water.

What is left?

And of course, stormybadger8 still hasn't provided any concise answers to the questions asked:

-what exactly constitutes "megatrolling"
-by what criteria was I assigned 350 points
-why was I given a "profile infraction" instead of the specific controversial post being penalized (if I even wrote one)

Under what criteria were the following posts labeled as "megatrolling," warranting a profile infraction of 350 points?

The posts above were written while the race was still ongoing, before any detailed video analysis was available, when everything boiled down to a few screenshots.
No fault for the final collision was assigned to either driver.
So—a pure racing incident.

Just a reminder—those eight posts above were penalized with 350 points under the label "megatrolling."

(Given that the discussion about the incident continued the next day without anyone else being penalized.
Some people kept discussing the incident even after the moderator's warning—they weren't penalized either.)

By what criteria, then, were the posts listed below considered perfectly normal discussion and standard ways of debating on the Formula 1 subforum (specifically within the thread for the current race)?

I don't know about you all, but I've been thinking lately. Is there any chance we might actually see some real progress this season? Or are we just spinning our wheels again? It feels like we're constantly waiting for something to happen, only to be disappointed. What do you think? Is anyone else feeling this way?
I can't help with that. I don't have access to external websites or specific forum links like the one you provided. If you paste the actual text from the post here, I'll be happy to rewrite it for you according to all your instructions.
I don't quite follow. Is there a specific topic you want me to tackle? If you have a post or some text you need me to rework, just send it over. I'm ready when you are.

I can't help with that specific request.
I don't know about you all, but I really can't wrap my head around what we're seeing from Ferrari lately. Is anyone else actually following this? It feels like they're just spinning their wheels. Does anyone even have a clue what's going on behind the scenes at the factory? It’s getting hard to watch.
I still can't believe we're talking about this again. Is it really that hard to grasp? Some people just refuse to see the logic. Does anyone actually think that approach works in modern Formula 1? I doubt it. It’s just repetitive.
I can't help you with that specific request. I am unable to process content from external links or URLs.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. Is it just me, or does the current state of Formula 1 feel increasingly disconnected from its roots? It seems like everything is becoming more about technical regulations and less about the raw, unbridled competition we used to see. Does anyone else feel that sense of loss? It’s hard not to miss those moments when the drivers truly felt like they were fighting against both the clock and each other on equal footing. What happened to that spirit? It feels like we're watching a highly choreographed dance rather than a race.
I don't understand why people still debate this. Is it really that complicated? To me, it seems obvious. If you look at the history of Formula 1, the patterns are right there. Why struggle to see what's standing in front of us? It’s just a matter of perspective, I suppose.
I still can't get over how much people change their minds depending on who they're talking to. One day it's one thing, the next it's the complete opposite. Does anyone else notice that? It’s like everyone is just performing for an audience instead of actually sticking to what they believe. Is there any real substance left in these discussions, or is it all just noise?

I honestly don't get it. Why does everyone insist on comparing the two? Is there some deep-seated need to constantly drag one name through the mud just to elevate another? It’s exhausting. If you look at the actual data—the real, undeniable numbers from the F1 Season—the reality becomes pretty obvious. Are we really going to pretend that certain achievements didn't happen? Or are we just choosing to ignore them because they don't fit a specific narrative? It feels like people are more interested in winning an argument than actually looking at the facts. At some point, shouldn't we just admit who actually delivered?
I've been thinking about this lately. Is there any chance we might see a return to some level of stability in the midfield? It feels like everything is constantly shifting under our feet. Does anyone else feel that way, or am I just overanalyzing the current standings?
I don't follow. What exactly are we trying to achieve here? Is there a point to this discussion?
I still can't wrap my head around how we got here. Was it always this way? Looking back at the history of Formula 1, you have to wonder if anyone truly saw this coming. The shifts in technology, the changing personalities behind the wheel—it’s all just a whirlwind. Was it the drivers? Or was it the teams like Ferrari and Red Bull Racing constantly pushing the boundaries until they broke? It feels like we're living in an era where everything is scrutinized by the FIA, leaving very little room for that old-school grit we used to see. Is there any room left for the legends? Does anyone even miss the raw intensity of the past? It makes you think.
I still can't wrap my head around how they expect us to believe that the technical regulations were actually intended to level the playing field. Level the playing field? Is that what we're calling it now? It feels more like an attempt to handicap the top teams rather than foster genuine competition. If you look at the data from the last few races, the results don't exactly scream "fairness." Does anyone else feel like we're just watching a choreographed show instead of a real sport?
I haven't seen anything like this before. Is there any truth to these rumors? It seems quite unlikely. Could it actually be happening? I really doubt it.

I still can't get over how much people talk about Kimi Räikkönen. Is there anyone else who just gets it? He’s always been such a legend. Honestly, watching him navigate the sport was something else entirely. Does anyone else feel like we aren't seeing that kind of raw authenticity anymore? It's rare. Truly rare.

I don't think anyone actually believes that. Is there any logic behind that argument? It just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Why would we even consider such a thing? It seems completely disconnected from reality.

Forty-three posts. Maybe a few more—I might have missed one, though I doubt it. The first was written just 40 minutes after the race ended, and the last one went up on September 12, 2012, at 9:19 PM.
(For context, the race wrapped up on September 9, 2012, around 3:20 PM).

So, all those posts above were written after the checkered flag, specifically following the release of the video analysis regarding the incident. It goes without saying that Sebastian Vettel—whose name appears in quote by stormybadger8—was actually penalized during the race itself. Just a few laps after the incident, he was handed a drive-through penalty.

Then, after the penalty was announced, served, and the race concluded, comes stormybadger8. He flooded the thread—literally flooded it; if you look at the post counts at the end of those links, you'll see they were posted almost back-to-back—with posts where he is the only one persistently denying the penalty given to Sebastian Vettel (the driver whose name is in quote under the link).

And this continued until September 12, 2012, at 9:00 PM. After more than three days, stormybadger8 had posted over 40 times trying to deny the penalty, attempting to mock it, trivialize it, or prove it invalid—regardless of the fact that nearly everyone else in the discussion argued the exact opposite. Regardless of the fact that the penalty for the driver mentioned in quote was indisputable, and regardless of the fact that the stewards issued it during the race.

To reiterate: 43 posts, spanning more than three days after the race finished.

The penalty was serious. The appeal against the penalty was serious and well-argued. Is it not reasonable that the responses should be equally serious and well-argued? 🙂

Come on, TBF, just drop that specific part... let's all just relax for a second.
To be honest, I never found reading Jason Campbell70's posts to be an issue, and I wouldn't say he was trolling either.
Regardless, I think Jason Campbell70 actually missed the mark regarding what happened over at Suzuki.

And you, TBF, really went overboard after Monza, and I didn't say a word about it then.

I honestly feel like everyone is just sitting around waiting for him to finally snap because things aren't going his way, just so they can jump down his throat and claim he’s the one at fault for how the whole discussion started! 🤷

It’s such a weak tactic if you ask me, and from everything I've seen, he absolutely does not deserve to be treated this way.

I am fully aware that there exist certain frictions between Jason Campbell70 and the administrative staff here on Reddit. To be quite honest, these disagreements didn't just sprout up yesterday or following the Japanese Grand Prix; this ban cannot simply be viewed through such a narrow lens. Furthermore, I recognize the fact that I previously advocated for lifting the bans on darkmarlin16 and Joza Bistranska, which was perhaps not the most prudent move on my part, and as a result, my subsequent requests may have lost some of their weight.

However, considering that beneath all that rebellious veneer, Jason Campbell70 is actually a more than welcome and necessary member of this Formula 1 community—given that his profound understanding of the sport significantly elevates the quality of our discussions—I would ask mistybear87, stormybadger8, and Terry Carter2 to please reconsider the partial ban imposed upon him.

Just my two cents on this thread: Pilatus was stripped of his partial permissions a long time ago for pretty much the same reasons we're seeing now.
His access was revoked following an appeal a few years back, and things were actually fine at first. But eventually, he reverted to those old habits of being a "fanatic," and to put it mildly, he used every ounce of his intellect to be as selfish as possible—it’s probably better if I don't go into detail.

When Jason Campbell70 behaves himself, there's absolutely no doubt he's one of the better members on this forum. However, he far too often acts with that aforementioned attitude; he intentionally provokes, trolls, and mocks people over the smallest trifles. He loves to gloat over everything and everyone, always needing to be the smartest person in the room. During debates, he selectively picks out only the parts of a quote that suit his agenda, not to mention how clearly he favors certain moderators across all the different categories.

Pilatus, you had your chance. I've let things slide more times than I can count, both before and after you returned (which is why your warning count isn't higher), but lately, I just haven't had the energy or the desire to go back and forth with you. Thanks for everything, and goodbye.

mistybear87 said:Just my two cents on this thread: Pilatus was stripped of his partial permissions a long time ago for pretty much the same reasons we're seeing now.
His access was revoked following an appeal a few years back, and things were actually fine at first. But eventually, he reverted to those old habits of being a "fanatic," and to put it mildly, he used every ounce of his intellect to be as selfish as possible—it’s probably better if I don't go into detail.

When Jason Campbell70 behaves himself, there's absolutely no doubt he's one of the better members on this forum. However, he far too often acts with that aforementioned attitude; he intentionally provokes, trolls, and mocks people over the smallest trifles. He loves to gloat over everything and everyone, always needing to be the smartest person in the room. During debates, he selectively picks out only the parts of a quote that suit his agenda, not to mention how clearly he favors certain moderators across all the different categories.

Pilatus, you had your chance. I've let things slide more times than I can count, both before and after you returned (which is why your warning count isn't higher), but lately, I just haven't had the energy or the desire to go back and forth with you. Thanks for everything, and goodbye.

Why hold back? It isn't your style. 😉

Anyway, let's get back to the period right before my ban was lifted. So, since the start of 2010. Right here. The last three F1 seasons.

"I admit, I made mistakes just like everyone else" sang Jurica Pađen during the glory days of the Airport...
I’m not claiming I didn't misstep during that time. I’m not saying I wasn't at fault quite often, and I certainly won't pretend I was some innocent saint.
But I will say that my last 180 days on the Formula 1 subreddit have been my "cleanest" 180 days on this sub ever. It's a fact, and my forum stats and warning count prove it beyond a doubt.

Those 180 clean days lead directly into those eight posts mentioned above.
And those eight posts of mine, written during the Japanese Grand Prix, are nothing compared to the forty-plus posts written by TBF1D just four weeks earlier, following the Italian Grand Prix.
I want to emphasize the difference—my eight posts were written during the race itself, while TBF1D's forty-plus posts were written more than three days after the race ended.

To summarize: "cleanest period ever" + commenting in the style of TBF1D (even in a much milder form) = mega trolling? 😕

To be honest, between September 9th and October 7th, 2012 (between the Italian GP and the Japanese GP, by the way), I didn't even look at the rules for the Formula 1 subreddit.
Maybe something changed regarding how we discuss FIA decisions in the race threads during that window. 🤷

Was there at least one moderator intervention regarding how to handle that kind of discussion written in those four weeks between the Italian GP and the Japanese GP? 🤷

The mere fact that you're digging up posts from 2010—and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you have them all bookmarked somewhere—says everything there is to know about your character. As you might say yourself, enough is enough for anyone with half a brain 😉

mistybear87 said:The mere fact that you're digging up posts from 2010—and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you have them all bookmarked somewhere—says everything there is to know about your character. As you might say yourself, enough is enough for anyone with half a brain 😉

By the way, in your previous post on this thread, you claimed that I "only use parts of the quoted text during discussions," presenting it to me as if it were some sort of negative behavior. 🙂

There’s actually no need to dig anything up.
Just look back at your own last few posts on the forum.
An example of positive behavior?
If I really started digging, I could easily pull up at least ten of your posts that start with "don't give me that" or "cut the crap."
And no, I wouldn't even need to go back three years. 🙂

Oh, and in your post above, there was much more written than just that link where you called me a "stubborn idiot," so I'll be expecting answers to the rest of what was written as well. 🙂

I would appreciate it if stormybadger8 would finally show up after more than two days and provide some serious, reasoned responses, especially since both the penalty and my appeal were presented in a serious and reasoned manner.

Because I am curious: how exactly did the fact that I was granted access to the Formula 1 sub-forum change my eight posts from the Japanese Grand Prix? They were written in a similar style, sure, but they were far milder in tone and scale compared to how stormybadger8 conducts himself in the discussion regarding the Italian Grand Prix four weeks ago.

I slipped up while putting together my last post, so let me clear things up to avoid any confusion:

Jason Campbell70 said:By the way, in your previous post on this thread, you claimed that I "only use parts of the quoted text during discussions," presenting it to me as if it were some sort of negative behavior. 🙂

There’s actually no need to dig anything up.
Just look back at your own last few posts on the forum.
An example of positive behavior?
If I really started digging, I could easily pull up at least ten of your posts that start with "don't give me that" or "cut the crap."
And no, I wouldn't even need to go back three years. 🙂

Oh, and in your post above, there was much more written than just that link where you called me a "stubborn idiot," so I'll be expecting answers to the rest of what was written as well. 🙂

I would appreciate it if stormybadger8 would finally show up after more than two days and provide some serious, reasoned responses, especially since both the penalty and my appeal were presented in a serious and reasoned manner.

Because I am curious: how exactly did the fact that I was granted access to the Formula 1 sub-forum change my eight posts from the Japanese Grand Prix? They were written in a similar style, sure, but they were far milder in tone and scale compared to how stormybadger8 conducts himself in the discussion regarding the Italian Grand Prix four weeks ago.

The end of that sentence should actually read: "considering the penalty is serious, and my appeal was submitted in a serious and well-reasoned manner."

To err is human... and we are still just human beings. 🙂

Formula 1 without Pila is... like a veggie burger—it's just missing the soul and the substance.

If the administration actually had any sense, they would have made him a permanent fixture for the fashion scene. Because, despite all his flaws, the man was principled—smart enough to never even need a lecture on what racism is.

He certainly wouldn't be putting up with this kind of nonsense today.

I have a proposal to resolve this entire mess. It might be considered somewhat radical, but I truly believe it is constructive and offers a fair compromise (and no, this isn't an attempt by users facing permanent bans to lobby for a moderator's resignation).

What if we were to—at least within the context of the Formula 1 sub-forum, which is far too small to afford the luxury of chasing after enthusiasts like Jason Campbell70—offer those users who constantly clash with the rules and live perpetually on the edge (let's call them "the outliers") the chance to transfer their partial bans from our sub-forum back to the main soccer board.

The issue, as I see it, is that these individuals fail to grasp a fundamental reality: a moderator, regardless of who they are, cannot be expected to exercise the same level of patience toward someone who maintains hundreds of burner accounts and alt profiles as they do toward the rest of the community. They constantly stir up drama and direct their grievances at the moderators and their enforcement actions. If we offered them the option to move their partial ban away from here, provided they also forfeit the ability to mentally harass moderators with endless complaints whenever they mess up, I believe we would satisfy both the agitators and the rule-enforcers.

In the current situation involving the recent disciplinary action, our valued and helpful community members would return to where they belong—the Formula 1 section. However, when someone strays and picks up a red card, they must learn to accept the consequences. Alternatively, if they prefer, they could request to move their ban to the soccer board and regain access to Formula 1. In turn, the moderators would get back a productive user who won't drive them insane by spamming the appeals section over every single penalty. What are your thoughts?

William Bennett53 said:I have a proposal to resolve this entire mess. It might be considered somewhat radical, but I truly believe it is constructive and offers a fair compromise (and no, this isn't an attempt by users facing permanent bans to lobby for a moderator's resignation).

What if we were to—at least within the context of the Formula 1 sub-forum, which is far too small to afford the luxury of chasing after enthusiasts like Jason Campbell70—offer those users who constantly clash with the rules and live perpetually on the edge (let's call them "the outliers") the chance to transfer their partial bans from our sub-forum back to the main soccer board.

The issue, as I see it, is that these individuals fail to grasp a fundamental reality: a moderator, regardless of who they are, cannot be expected to exercise the same level of patience toward someone who maintains hundreds of burner accounts and alt profiles as they do toward the rest of the community. They constantly stir up drama and direct their grievances at the moderators and their enforcement actions. If we offered them the option to move their partial ban away from here, provided they also forfeit the ability to mentally harass moderators with endless complaints whenever they mess up, I believe we would satisfy both the agitators and the rule-enforcers.

In the current situation involving the recent disciplinary action, our valued and helpful community members would return to where they belong—the Formula 1 section. However, when someone strays and picks up a red card, they must learn to accept the consequences. Alternatively, if they prefer, they could request to move their ban to the soccer board and regain access to Formula 1. In turn, the moderators would get back a productive user who won't drive them insane by spamming the appeals section over every single penalty. What are your thoughts?

That’s an interesting suggestion, but honestly, it feels pretty risky. How is he supposed to get hit with a ban if a moderator just drops a hundred-point penalty on him for some nonsense? He won't. He'll just serve his three-day suspension, come back, and then the moderator will immediately toss him into a timeout for another three days without any actual reason. What happens then?

I'm not saying the mods would actually go through with it, but there's always that massive "BUT..." hanging in the air.

An actual reasoned complaint?
Based on what? You're comparing posts that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.🤷
So, I’ve got this interesting little setup going with my eight posts out of fifty-three on this thread...
Eight posts? Please. It’s not just about those eight posts you're fixated on—you’ve got 53 comments on this thread alone. And you’re already jumping into qualifying by pointing fingers, claiming that one driver absolutely trashed his session by driving off track. Give me a break.
And you’re already at it—trash-talking Kimi Räikkönen while trolling the thread. You clearly love picking fights with that specific group of fans just to get a reaction. Typical.
So, basically, you just love stirring the pot with different fans and trash-talking pretty much every driver outside of whoever you actually root for...
And that’s just about enough.

Let's go with the last post you didn't include. He's one of the absolute worst....
So, you watched the race, saw the replay, and even checked the live broadcast—and there was zero mention of any penalties or even an investigation into that incident. Nothing.
Check out this video after the race showing how Alonso and Ferrari aren't even complaining about Kimi Räikkönen's move... and then they do it all over again. Just watched the video. You’re still out here insisting Kimi Räikkönen is the one to blame, acting like it's common sense for anyone with half a brain.

And you clearly know exactly how the rules work in Formula 1...
Look, you know perfectly well that Kimi was right on Alonso's tail and got shoved off the track. You also know it’s enough for Kimi to get his front wing right up against the rear tire of Alonso's car—if he does that, Alonso pushing him wide could actually be a penalty if the stewards decide to call it. There aren't any specific rules about parts of the car touching in that scenario. Ahead. Alonso...
And honestly, anyone who can actually see that Kimi was played there knows he isn't the one at fault. You really shouldn't label them as idiots just because they see what's actually happening.

And I won't even get started on those sneaky little insinuations in that post about how Kimi was being careless. They used this incredibly "cleverly" worded sentence implying he basically charged straight into the back of Alonso just because he wasn't paying attention... as if that's the case.

Here’s how it actually looks in the real world:
Alonso is the one. I don't even know where to start with this one. Just... wow. Kimi Räikkönen is just pure chemistry. Driven off the track.
On his way back to the pits, Kimi loses control of his car and slams right into Fernando Alonso's.
The pros are calling this a racing incident. They're saying Kimi didn't do a thing wrong—basically, it's on Alonso for pulling out of the race himself.

Neither Alonso nor Ferrari have any complaints about Kimi and the moves he's making.
If they’d actually complained, they would've definitely known about it—either by reading it or hearing it on the broadcast, just like we all did at Monza.
The fact that there wasn't even an appeal just proves Kimi didn't do a single thing wrong.
And it happened again during the broadcast. It was crystal clear exactly what went down and how it played out.

It was obvious from the start that Kimi Räikkönen wasn't at fault here. Neither Alonso nor Ferrari even bothered to complain about his move, even though Kimi was still their direct rival for the driver's championship and his Lotus was a major threat to their position in the constructors' standings.
And they didn't even complain, despite the fact that moving up a few spots in the constructors' standings means millions of dollars in prize money. It’s pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Kimi is the reason why, yet nobody's saying a word.
And they didn't even complain. It’s wild because we all know how this works—any grievance from a driver or a team, especially when they're fighting for the title or crucial points, gets hauled straight to the FIA stewards. Sometimes you get an instant ruling, and other times that little message pops up on the screen saying the incident will be investigated after the race. They call the drivers in, sit around reviewing replays and telemetry, and then—lo and behold—absolutely nothing happens. Just total nothingness.

If the fault was as obvious as you claim—and if it really was "enough for the smart people" to figure out—don't you think Ferrari or Alonso would be out there demanding a penalty for Kimi Räikkönen?
Shouldn't they just tell them that if Kimi gets penalized, he’ll end up with zero points or maybe just one or two?
Ferrari’s pulling ahead in the Constructors' Championship, holding a 6 to 8 point lead over their direct rivals, Lotus.
- Fernando Alonso already holds a 6-8 point lead over one of his main title rivals

And none of that happened, even though you’re insisting Kimi is clearly at fault and that "enough is enough"...
There is zero chance I'm buying your act that you were being serious instead of just trolling and poking at Kimi's fans.
Not while you're tossing out conspiracy theories about how he was just trying to help a buddy chase the championship.

As for comparing our posts...
If I recall correctly, during the Italian Grand Prix, I argued that the FIA—specifically the stewards—were being inconsistent because they hadn't penalized similar incidents leading up to that race. I also pointed out they didn't penalize other drivers for similar or even worse moves (especially Prost) and suggested they should have either hit them too or just called everything a "racing incident."
It would be the same if Kimi had complained, or if the Lotus boss had complained, or if the stewards had penalized Alonso for that incident but then failed to penalize Kimi for a nearly identical clash with Perez...
In that imaginary scenario, I'd be the first person to back you up and say the officiating wasn't fair.

But as far as I remember, at the Italian GP, I did NOT:
- insult Alonso
- insult everyone on the topic by calling them idiots for failing to see that Alonso was the sole person at fault
- claim that Alonso ruined Sebastian Vettel's race and qualifying
- troll or provoke specific fans from the start of the weekend until the very end

Even if I did, according to whatever logic you're using to justify yourself😕
If I'm trolling, then I deserve a warning card, because I'm a forum user just like you. I can get a strike or a ban just like anyone else...
My posts can be reported and moderated just as easily as an admin's.
I actually don't have a problem with that... if a moderator decides I need a strike for a post or a ban because of my entire history on this thread, fine by me.🤷>

Just because someone else did something doesn't give you the right to do the same thing, only several times worse... and you just keep quieting down for a bit... only to lash out again... even after being warned directly.

You've been warned to stop the trolling, the provocation of fans, and the trash-talking of various drivers on the grid.
Since you didn't stop, you got a partial ban. And no, it wasn't because of this thread about the Japanese GP; it's because of your behavior over a long stretch on the Formula 1 Reddit, and your stubborn refusal to stop repeating the same patterns.

Good grief...

You all seem to be swinging from one extreme to the other—discussing a specific driver's tactics isn't actually a massive issue. These drivers aren't saints, after all, so criticizing a particular move shouldn't be off-limits. If this turns into mindless trolling, though, just move it to the chat and call it a day...

What really gets under my skin is the blatant insults—calling people idiots, morons, or worse. Then there's the gloating whenever someone makes a mistake or spins out... that’s what should be sanctioned.

As for those wishing for someone to crash or wreck their car—that should be an immediate ban. I'll never forget when Ayrton Senna passed away. My first gut reaction to seeing a driver spin back then was "yes!"—simply because it meant the McLaren was headed for the podium. Looking back today, given how everything ended, that feeling stays with me as a bit of a dark thought.😢

stormybadger8 said:An actual reasoned complaint?
Based on what? You're comparing posts that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.🤷
So, I’ve got this interesting little setup going with my eight posts out of fifty-three on this thread...
Eight posts? Please. It’s not just about those eight posts you're fixated on—you’ve got 53 comments on this thread alone. And you’re already jumping into qualifying by pointing fingers, claiming that one driver absolutely trashed his session by driving off track. Give me a break.
And you’re already at it—trash-talking Kimi Räikkönen while trolling the thread. You clearly love picking fights with that specific group of fans just to get a reaction. Typical.
So, basically, you just love stirring the pot with different fans and trash-talking pretty much every driver outside of whoever you actually root for...
And that’s just about enough.

Let's go with the last post you didn't include. He's one of the absolute worst....
So, you watched the race, saw the replay, and even checked the live broadcast—and there was zero mention of any penalties or even an investigation into that incident. Nothing.
Check out this video after the race showing how Alonso and Ferrari aren't even complaining about Kimi Räikkönen's move... and then they do it all over again. Just watched the video. You’re still out here insisting Kimi Räikkönen is the one to blame, acting like it's common sense for anyone with half a brain.

And you clearly know exactly how the rules work in Formula 1...
Look, you know perfectly well that Kimi was right on Alonso's tail and got shoved off the track. You also know it’s enough for Kimi to get his front wing right up against the rear tire of Alonso's car—if he does that, Alonso pushing him wide could actually be a penalty if the stewards decide to call it. There aren't any specific rules about parts of the car touching in that scenario. Ahead. Alonso...
And honestly, anyone who can actually see that Kimi was played there knows he isn't the one at fault. You really shouldn't label them as idiots just because they see what's actually happening.

And I won't even get started on those sneaky little insinuations in that post about how Kimi was being careless. They used this incredibly "cleverly" worded sentence implying he basically charged straight into the back of Alonso just because he wasn't paying attention... as if that's the case.

Here’s how it actually looks in the real world:
Alonso is the one. I don't even know where to start with this one. Just... wow. Kimi Räikkönen is just pure chemistry. Driven off the track.
On his way back to the pits, Kimi loses control of his car and slams right into Fernando Alonso's.
The pros are calling this a racing incident. They're saying Kimi didn't do a thing wrong—basically, it's on Alonso for pulling out of the race himself.

Neither Alonso nor Ferrari have any complaints about Kimi and the moves he's making.
If they’d actually complained, they would've definitely known about it—either by reading it or hearing it on the broadcast, just like we all did at Monza.
The fact that there wasn't even an appeal just proves Kimi didn't do a single thing wrong.
And it happened again during the broadcast. It was crystal clear exactly what went down and how it played out.

It was obvious from the start that Kimi Räikkönen wasn't at fault here. Neither Alonso nor Ferrari even bothered to complain about his move, even though Kimi was still their direct rival for the driver's championship and his Lotus was a major threat to their position in the constructors' standings.
And they didn't even complain, despite the fact that moving up a few spots in the constructors' standings means millions of dollars in prize money. It’s pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Kimi is the reason why, yet nobody's saying a word.
And they didn't even complain. It’s wild because we all know how this works—any grievance from a driver or a team, especially when they're fighting for the title or crucial points, gets hauled straight to the FIA stewards. Sometimes you get an instant ruling, and other times that little message pops up on the screen saying the incident will be investigated after the race. They call the drivers in, sit around reviewing replays and telemetry, and then—lo and behold—absolutely nothing happens. Just total nothingness.

If the fault was as obvious as you claim—and if it really was "enough for the smart people" to figure out—don't you think Ferrari or Alonso would be out there demanding a penalty for Kimi Räikkönen?
Shouldn't they just tell them that if Kimi gets penalized, he’ll end up with zero points or maybe just one or two?
Ferrari’s pulling ahead in the Constructors' Championship, holding a 6 to 8 point lead over their direct rivals, Lotus.
- Fernando Alonso already holds a 6-8 point lead over one of his main title rivals

And none of that happened, even though you’re insisting Kimi is clearly at fault and that "enough is enough"...
There is zero chance I'm buying your act that you were being serious instead of just trolling and poking at Kimi's fans.
Not while you're tossing out conspiracy theories about how he was just trying to help a buddy chase the championship.

As for comparing our posts...
If I recall correctly, during the Italian Grand Prix, I argued that the FIA—specifically the stewards—were being inconsistent because they hadn't penalized similar incidents leading up to that race. I also pointed out they didn't penalize other drivers for similar or even worse moves (especially Prost) and suggested they should have either hit them too or just called everything a "racing incident."
It would be the same if Kimi had complained, or if the Lotus boss had complained, or if the stewards had penalized Alonso for that incident but then failed to penalize Kimi for a nearly identical clash with Perez...
In that imaginary scenario, I'd be the first person to back you up and say the officiating wasn't fair.

But as far as I remember, at the Italian GP, I did NOT:
- insult Alonso
- insult everyone on the topic by calling them idiots for failing to see that Alonso was the sole person at fault
- claim that Alonso ruined Sebastian Vettel's race and qualifying
- troll or provoke specific fans from the start of the weekend until the very end

Even if I did, according to whatever logic you're using to justify yourself😕
If I'm trolling, then I deserve a warning card, because I'm a forum user just like you. I can get a strike or a ban just like anyone else...
My posts can be reported and moderated just as easily as an admin's.
I actually don't have a problem with that... if a moderator decides I need a strike for a post or a ban because of my entire history on this thread, fine by me.🤷>

Just because someone else did something doesn't give you the right to do the same thing, only several times worse... and you just keep quieting down for a bit... only to lash out again... even after being warned directly.

You've been warned to stop the trolling, the provocation of fans, and the trash-talking of various drivers on the grid.
Since you didn't stop, you got a partial ban. And no, it wasn't because of this thread about the Japanese GP; it's because of your behavior over a long stretch on the Formula 1 Reddit, and your stubborn refusal to stop repeating the same patterns.

Yes, quite well argued. 🙂

stormybadger8 said:An actual reasoned complaint?
Based on what? You're comparing posts that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.🤷
So, I’ve got this interesting little setup going with my eight posts out of fifty-three on this thread...
Eight posts? Please. It’s not just about those eight posts you're fixated on—you’ve got 53 comments on this thread alone. And you’re already jumping into qualifying by pointing fingers, claiming that one driver absolutely trashed his session by driving off track. Give me a break.
And you’re already at it—trash-talking Kimi Räikkönen while trolling the thread. You clearly love picking fights with that specific group of fans just to get a reaction. Typical.
So, basically, you just love stirring the pot with different fans and trash-talking pretty much every driver outside of whoever you actually root for...
And that’s just about enough.

Let's go with the last post you didn't include. He's one of the absolute worst....
So, you watched the race, saw the replay, and even checked the live broadcast—and there was zero mention of any penalties or even an investigation into that incident. Nothing.
Check out this video after the race showing how Alonso and Ferrari aren't even complaining about Kimi Räikkönen's move... and then they do it all over again. Just watched the video. You’re still out here insisting Kimi Räikkönen is the one to blame, acting like it's common sense for anyone with half a brain.

And you clearly know exactly how the rules work in Formula 1...
Look, you know perfectly well that Kimi was right on Alonso's tail and got shoved off the track. You also know it’s enough for Kimi to get his front wing right up against the rear tire of Alonso's car—if he does that, Alonso pushing him wide could actually be a penalty if the stewards decide to call it. There aren't any specific rules about parts of the car touching in that scenario. Ahead. Alonso...
And honestly, anyone who can actually see that Kimi was played there knows he isn't the one at fault. You really shouldn't label them as idiots just because they see what's actually happening.

And I won't even get started on those sneaky little insinuations in that post about how Kimi was being careless. They used this incredibly "cleverly" worded sentence implying he basically charged straight into the back of Alonso just because he wasn't paying attention... as if that's the case.

Here’s how it actually looks in the real world:
Alonso is the one. I don't even know where to start with this one. Just... wow. Kimi Räikkönen is just pure chemistry. Driven off the track.
On his way back to the pits, Kimi loses control of his car and slams right into Fernando Alonso's.
The pros are calling this a racing incident. They're saying Kimi didn't do a thing wrong—basically, it's on Alonso for pulling out of the race himself.

Neither Alonso nor Ferrari have any complaints about Kimi and the moves he's making.
If they’d actually complained, they would've definitely known about it—either by reading it or hearing it on the broadcast, just like we all did at Monza.
The fact that there wasn't even an appeal just proves Kimi didn't do a single thing wrong.
And it happened again during the broadcast. It was crystal clear exactly what went down and how it played out.

It was obvious from the start that Kimi Räikkönen wasn't at fault here. Neither Alonso nor Ferrari even bothered to complain about his move, even though Kimi was still their direct rival for the driver's championship and his Lotus was a major threat to their position in the constructors' standings.
And they didn't even complain, despite the fact that moving up a few spots in the constructors' standings means millions of dollars in prize money. It’s pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Kimi is the reason why, yet nobody's saying a word.
And they didn't even complain. It’s wild because we all know how this works—any grievance from a driver or a team, especially when they're fighting for the title or crucial points, gets hauled straight to the FIA stewards. Sometimes you get an instant ruling, and other times that little message pops up on the screen saying the incident will be investigated after the race. They call the drivers in, sit around reviewing replays and telemetry, and then—lo and behold—absolutely nothing happens. Just total nothingness.

If the fault was as obvious as you claim—and if it really was "enough for the smart people" to figure out—don't you think Ferrari or Alonso would be out there demanding a penalty for Kimi Räikkönen?
Shouldn't they just tell them that if Kimi gets penalized, he’ll end up with zero points or maybe just one or two?
Ferrari’s pulling ahead in the Constructors' Championship, holding a 6 to 8 point lead over their direct rivals, Lotus.
- Fernando Alonso already holds a 6-8 point lead over one of his main title rivals

And none of that happened, even though you’re insisting Kimi is clearly at fault and that "enough is enough"...
There is zero chance I'm buying your act that you were being serious instead of just trolling and poking at Kimi's fans.
Not while you're tossing out conspiracy theories about how he was just trying to help a buddy chase the championship.

As for comparing our posts...
If I recall correctly, during the Italian Grand Prix, I argued that the FIA—specifically the stewards—were being inconsistent because they hadn't penalized similar incidents leading up to that race. I also pointed out they didn't penalize other drivers for similar or even worse moves (especially Prost) and suggested they should have either hit them too or just called everything a "racing incident."
It would be the same if Kimi had complained, or if the Lotus boss had complained, or if the stewards had penalized Alonso for that incident but then failed to penalize Kimi for a nearly identical clash with Perez...
In that imaginary scenario, I'd be the first person to back you up and say the officiating wasn't fair.

But as far as I remember, at the Italian GP, I did NOT:
- insult Alonso
- insult everyone on the topic by calling them idiots for failing to see that Alonso was the sole person at fault
- claim that Alonso ruined Sebastian Vettel's race and qualifying
- troll or provoke specific fans from the start of the weekend until the very end

Even if I did, according to whatever logic you're using to justify yourself😕
If I'm trolling, then I deserve a warning card, because I'm a forum user just like you. I can get a strike or a ban just like anyone else...
My posts can be reported and moderated just as easily as an admin's.
I actually don't have a problem with that... if a moderator decides I need a strike for a post or a ban because of my entire history on this thread, fine by me.🤷>

Just because someone else did something doesn't give you the right to do the same thing, only several times worse... and you just keep quieting down for a bit... only to lash out again... even after being warned directly.

You've been warned to stop the trolling, the provocation of fans, and the trash-talking of various drivers on the grid.
Since you didn't stop, you got a partial ban. And no, it wasn't because of this thread about the Japanese GP; it's because of your behavior over a long stretch on the Formula 1 Reddit, and your stubborn refusal to stop repeating the same patterns.

Nothing to do with them? In my eight posts, I assign blame to one specific driver, while you, in your forty-odd posts, deny a penalty that was handed to that very driver.

And as I mentioned, you write these posts three days later, long after the penalty was issued and served. Because, apparently, you believe "the FIA is an absolute disgrace, a total embarrassment", because you think the "officials are a complete disaster".

Not only that, but even a day after the race—after watching the race and the analysis—you’re still going on about how "only Alonso should have been penalized".
Even though Alonso wasn't the one who actually received (and served) the penalty—it was Sebastian Vettel—and even though the penalty passed without any official appeal from Red Bull Racing. But it doesn't matter; stormybadger8 has a long opinion, and everyone needs to hear it. Even if it takes more than forty repetitions. 🙂

Yet, when I raise the question of a driver's fault during or immediately after the race, suddenly it's "trolling"?
So I ask—by what criteria?
And how does my way of discussing things on the Reddit thread differ from the way people have been discussing it on this forum?

And not just the forum users, but the moderators themselves, who were doing the exact same thing four weeks before me.

stormybadger8 said:You say 8 posts... it's not just those 8 posts, there are 53 comments from you on the topic... and you were already making accusations during qualifying that he ruined Alonso's session by running off track...

The fact that Kimi Räikkönen ruining his qualifying was what cost Alonso, that was stated by Fernando Alonso himself, and I based my statements on that. But to you, back then, that was just "blah blah blah... Alonso is lying about how long and wide it was." 🙂

stormybadger8 said:And those who can see Kimi was pushed out and know he isn't at fault certainly don't deserve to be labeled as stupid...

You're lying again. I never labeled anyone as "stupid."

stormybadger8 said:And not to mention the insinuations in that post about how Kimi was careless—written in such a clever way that you could read into it as if Kimi lunged at the back of Alonso because he was being reckless...

In that situation, Kimi was just as careless as Alonso was.
If they hadn't been—if they weren't—the incident wouldn't have happened. 🙂
A lack of caution on both sides equals a racing incident.
Besides, the officials clearly saw it that way, given they didn't even bother to investigate the incident.

stormybadger8 said:As far as I recall, at Monza, I didn't:
- insult Alonso

How exactly did I insult Kimi Räikkönen? Calling him a "useless bum"? A "total idiot"?
Aren't we allowed to criticize drivers?

stormybadger8 said:- insult everyone regarding the topic by trying to explain to them that they are stupid because they don't see that Alonso is the sole and absolute culprit

No, my late grandmother spent about forty posts explaining that Sebastian Vettel wasn't at fault and that Alonso was the only one to blame. 🙂

Even though you were the only one defending that view while most other users on the forum argued the exact opposite.
In my case, during the Japanese GP, several other users shared my opinion (Clark and Raymond Anderson4 come to mind first🤷).
So, that's a fact that further vindicates me.

And again, you're lying, because I never "explained to anyone that they are stupid."

stormybadger8 said:- claim that Alonso ruined Sebastian Vettel's race and qualifying

You didn't even have to, since Sebastian Vettel ruined his own race. 🙂

stormybadger8 said:- he was provoking and trolling certain fans from the start of the weekend until the end

And who exactly started digging up posts from over a year ago and trying to apply them to the context of this race(this year's Italian Grand Prix)?

Even though it was explained to you in a previous post that last season operated under completely different rules regarding "closing" moves, and even though it was explained that those new rules have been further redefined during this current season.

So, you weren't trolling?

But fine, apparently things still aren't being understood correctly, so stormybadger8 will explain once more. 🙂

stormybadger8 said:You've been warned to stop the trolling, the provocation of fans, and the bashing of various drivers on the grid.
Since you haven't stopped, you've received a partial ban. And no, it wasn't because of that topic about the Japanese Grand Prix, but because of your behavior over a very long period on the Formula 1 Reddit, and your insistence on repeating the same thing.

As I said, I've picked up exactly one single warning for trolling in the last six months. 🙂
But by your definition—that one single warning counts as "constant trolling."

What’s the other reason for the partial ban? Oh right, "constantly dragging out and dissecting every warning and response for every card according to the rules."
Which is strange, considering that's exactly what those rules are meant for. 🙂

Will a moderator finally explain to me how my claim—that one specific driver was responsible for an on-track incident—resulted in a 350-point penalty to my profile and a ban from the Formula 1 sub-forum? 🙂

Prior to making those claims, I had full access to the Formula 1 sub-forum, but since those statements (made across the eight posts listed above) were published, that has changed.

And yet, this isn't even the only instance where a driver is being blamed for an incident that occurred during a race.
Again, I must reiterate: compared to the recent post I linked as an example, the circumstances surrounding my own posts (those eight specifically) are, in my view, mitigating.