Scott Allen10 said:Man, you're really butchering the medical terminology here. A colonoscopy *is* a type of endoscopy. If an endoscopist knows their stuff and clears the entire intestinal lumen, they'll see what they need to see; there’s honestly no such thing as "but a little deeper inside than what can be seen with a colonoscopy". A colonoscopy covers the entire large intestine from start to finish, so there isn't some mysterious segment that is somehow "deeper" inside the colon, and if a high-quality colonoscopy is done right, it's impossible to miss a bleeding tumor within the lumen.
It blows my mind that "after several colonoscopies," nobody spotted a large intestine tumor that was actively bleeding into the lumen. That’s like saying "after hanging out near Capitol Hill a few times, you still haven't seen the Cathedral"......
What you're describing sounds more like a laparoscopy, which isn't just a routine screening—it's a full-blown surgical procedure. They have to insert a trocar just like any other laparoscopic surgery, insufflate the abdomen with gas, and all that good stuff... But even then, that doesn't mean it's a magic way to see everything, and it's certainly not a method doctors just use on a whim.
Seriously, maybe double-check your facts and give us some actual data, because this whole story sounds pretty hard to swallow....🙂
That’s how it needs to be. 🙂I did some digging and tracked down that recent article I mentioned earlier. It hits on exactly what I was talking about before—there’s no denying this is a massive issue. If screenings actually worked perfectly, we wouldn't be seeing such high global mortality rates from colon cancer despite everyone getting checked. That 30% to 40% figure isn't just a statistic; it's a huge deal. And let's be real, our healthcare system here in the States is a complete mess right now.
Source: Der Spiegel, December 20, 2008.
Prof. Jürgen Riemann, a top German gastroenterologist, just dropped some heavy news. He was talking about a recent study out of Canada that shows regular colonoscopies only prevent about 60% to 70% of deaths caused by colorectal cancer. It’s a sobering reality check.
SpiegelWhen the lead researcher saw those first results, she was floored. Honestly, I get it. Did any of you feel that same gut punch when you saw the data?
Jürgen RiemannThe numbers are pretty terrifying, but honestly, I’m not even that surprised. It makes sense when you look at how things have been playing out lately.
The colonoscopy rates in Canada and the US are honestly pretty low compared to what you'd expect.It’s basically a free-for-all over there; they just perform colonoscopies without any real criteria.
SpiegelIs it different over here?
Jürgen RiemannEver since 2002, we’ve had the option for regular checkups covered by insurance. You don't even need a specialist referral anymore—just a quick note from your primary care doctor and you're good to go.
In Germany, they've actually restricted colonoscopies so that only specially trained doctors can perform them. Every single one of them.
Reviewing the situation. It’s gotta be.
Spot on. Everything's laid out perfectly.All that data gets dumped into a central database for analysis. But here's the real question: was the line actually clean to begin with?
Is the doctor... It catches potential pre-cancerous issues, specifically those things called polyps.
With a massive margin of error.It all boils down to the sampling system. That’s how everything stays under control.
SpiegelEven so, you can't account for every single death.
Jürgen RiemannNot a chance. Some types of cancer just grow way too fast. Plus, you've got polyps to worry about.
Even with quality control being as tight as it is, things still slip through. They always are.
Re-translated.First off.
The right side of the large intestine and those tricky bends? That's where things usually get messy..
On top of everything else, a ton of people still aren't taking advantage of these screenings. We could probably see some real improvement if we leaned into newer tech—like those stool DNA tests. It’s basically like an early filter; you can catch the high-risk patients before they even step foot in the clinic for a full colonoscopy.