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Participants Hannah Martinez8restlessmason54Douglas Cook2Casey Robinson7cosmicviper76Scott Allen10placidbison0hiddenscout362Samuel MoralesKeith ThompsonScott Jackson40bluetrucker64John Wilson5vividsailor7
Douglas Cook2 Douglas Cook2 Member
27 messages
joined Feb 2009
#21 ·
Hannah Martinez8 said:It’s been weighing on me because I seem to see a tiny speck or a faint streak of blood almost every single day. I try to eat as well as I can, but honestly, the food at the campus dining hall isn't exactly gourmet, and being a student living in a rental far from home means my budget doesn't leave much room for high-quality produce or fresh greens.😢

Man, that sucks. Seriously though, try focusing on hygiene for a bit. And instead of grabbing a bag of chips, just pick up an apple and an orange. Much better move.
Douglas Cook2 Douglas Cook2 Member
27 messages
joined Feb 2009
#22 ·
Scott Allen10 said:Man, you're really butchering the medical terminology here. A colonoscopy *is* a type of endoscopy. If an endoscopist knows their stuff and clears the entire intestinal lumen, they'll see what they need to see; there’s honestly no such thing as "but a little deeper inside than what can be seen with a colonoscopy". A colonoscopy covers the entire large intestine from start to finish, so there isn't some mysterious segment that is somehow "deeper" inside the colon, and if a high-quality colonoscopy is done right, it's impossible to miss a bleeding tumor within the lumen.
It blows my mind that "after several colonoscopies," nobody spotted a large intestine tumor that was actively bleeding into the lumen. That’s like saying "after hanging out near Capitol Hill a few times, you still haven't seen the Cathedral"......
What you're describing sounds more like a laparoscopy, which isn't just a routine screening—it's a full-blown surgical procedure. They have to insert a trocar just like any other laparoscopic surgery, insufflate the abdomen with gas, and all that good stuff... But even then, that doesn't mean it's a magic way to see everything, and it's certainly not a method doctors just use on a whim.
Seriously, maybe double-check your facts and give us some actual data, because this whole story sounds pretty hard to swallow....🙂

That’s how it needs to be. 🙂I did some digging and tracked down that recent article I mentioned earlier. It hits on exactly what I was talking about before—there’s no denying this is a massive issue. If screenings actually worked perfectly, we wouldn't be seeing such high global mortality rates from colon cancer despite everyone getting checked. That 30% to 40% figure isn't just a statistic; it's a huge deal. And let's be real, our healthcare system here in the States is a complete mess right now.

Source: Der Spiegel, December 20, 2008.

Prof. Jürgen Riemann, a top German gastroenterologist, just dropped some heavy news. He was talking about a recent study out of Canada that shows regular colonoscopies only prevent about 60% to 70% of deaths caused by colorectal cancer. It’s a sobering reality check.

SpiegelWhen the lead researcher saw those first results, she was floored. Honestly, I get it. Did any of you feel that same gut punch when you saw the data?

Jürgen RiemannThe numbers are pretty terrifying, but honestly, I’m not even that surprised. It makes sense when you look at how things have been playing out lately. The colonoscopy rates in Canada and the US are honestly pretty low compared to what you'd expect.It’s basically a free-for-all over there; they just perform colonoscopies without any real criteria.

SpiegelIs it different over here?

Jürgen RiemannEver since 2002, we’ve had the option for regular checkups covered by insurance. You don't even need a specialist referral anymore—just a quick note from your primary care doctor and you're good to go. In Germany, they've actually restricted colonoscopies so that only specially trained doctors can perform them. Every single one of them. Reviewing the situation. It’s gotta be. Spot on. Everything's laid out perfectly.All that data gets dumped into a central database for analysis. But here's the real question: was the line actually clean to begin with? Is the doctor... It catches potential pre-cancerous issues, specifically those things called polyps. With a massive margin of error.It all boils down to the sampling system. That’s how everything stays under control.

SpiegelEven so, you can't account for every single death.

Jürgen RiemannNot a chance. Some types of cancer just grow way too fast. Plus, you've got polyps to worry about. Even with quality control being as tight as it is, things still slip through. They always are. Re-translated.First off. The right side of the large intestine and those tricky bends? That's where things usually get messy..
On top of everything else, a ton of people still aren't taking advantage of these screenings. We could probably see some real improvement if we leaned into newer tech—like those stool DNA tests. It’s basically like an early filter; you can catch the high-risk patients before they even step foot in the clinic for a full colonoscopy.
Samuel Morales Samuel Morales Member
15 messages
joined Mar 2011
#23 ·
Look, I’ve basically got two diagnoses for you:
1) You’re just plain cranky
2) A mild case of hypochondria, I guess.
Hannah Martinez8 Hannah Martinez8 NewcomerOP
8 messages
joined Jan 2009
#24 ·
Hahah, I'm not gay😁... though the hypochondria might actually fly if I didn't have symptoms popping up every single day🙂
I actually got labeled a hypochondriac once before when I was convinced I had mono; my doctor insisted it was just a standard case of strep throat, yet I went to see Fran Mihaljević and turned out to be EBV positive.
Solid diagnoses, clearly.😁
Douglas Cook2 Douglas Cook2 Member
27 messages
joined Feb 2009
#25 ·
Hannah Martinez8 said:Hahah, I'm not gay😁... though the hypochondria might actually fly if I didn't have symptoms popping up every single day🙂
I actually got labeled a hypochondriac once before when I was convinced I had mono; my doctor insisted it was just a standard case of strep throat, yet I went to see Fran Mihaljević and turned out to be EBV positive.
Solid diagnoses, clearly.😁

Plus, mono is basically the textbook definition of the disease.🙄
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
315 messages
joined Jun 2005
#26 ·
Douglas Cook2 said:That’s how it needs to be. 🙂I did some digging and tracked down that recent article I mentioned earlier. It hits on exactly what I was talking about before—there’s no denying this is a massive issue. If screenings actually worked perfectly, we wouldn't be seeing such high global mortality rates from colon cancer despite everyone getting checked. That 30% to 40% figure isn't just a statistic; it's a huge deal. And let's be real, our healthcare system here in the States is a complete mess right now.

Source: Der Spiegel, December 20, 2008.

Prof. Jürgen Riemann, a top German gastroenterologist, just dropped some heavy news. He was talking about a recent study out of Canada that shows regular colonoscopies only prevent about 60% to 70% of deaths caused by colorectal cancer. It’s a sobering reality check.

SpiegelWhen the lead researcher saw those first results, she was floored. Honestly, I get it. Did any of you feel that same gut punch when you saw the data?

Jürgen RiemannThe numbers are pretty terrifying, but honestly, I’m not even that surprised. It makes sense when you look at how things have been playing out lately. The colonoscopy rates in Canada and the US are honestly pretty low compared to what you'd expect.It’s basically a free-for-all over there; they just perform colonoscopies without any real criteria.

SpiegelIs it different over here?

Jürgen RiemannEver since 2002, we’ve had the option for regular checkups covered by insurance. You don't even need a specialist referral anymore—just a quick note from your primary care doctor and you're good to go. In Germany, they've actually restricted colonoscopies so that only specially trained doctors can perform them. Every single one of them. Reviewing the situation. It’s gotta be. Spot on. Everything's laid out perfectly.All that data gets dumped into a central database for analysis. But here's the real question: was the line actually clean to begin with? Is the doctor... It catches potential pre-cancerous issues, specifically those things called polyps. With a massive margin of error.It all boils down to the sampling system. That’s how everything stays under control.

SpiegelEven so, you can't account for every single death.

Jürgen RiemannNot a chance. Some types of cancer just grow way too fast. Plus, you've got polyps to worry about. Even with quality control being as tight as it is, things still slip through. They always are. Re-translated.First off. The right side of the large intestine and those tricky bends? That's where things usually get messy..
On top of everything else, a ton of people still aren't taking advantage of these screenings. We could probably see some real improvement if we leaned into newer tech—like those stool DNA tests. It’s basically like an early filter; you can catch the high-risk patients before they even step foot in the clinic for a full colonoscopy.

I feel like we're totally talking past each other here... look, if a colonoscopy is done correctly, the doctor checks the entire length of the colon, from start to finish. There’s no such thing as "deeper parts" of the colon because, well, that's the whole organ.
Plus, I find it pretty hard to believe that after having several colonoscopies, nobody noticed that nasty process happening inside where it was bleeding a little. I mean, okay, maybe once and they missed it... but doing it multiple times? Hmm...
That's the part I just can't wrap my head around, but whatever, it's not the main point...
As for the article being quoted, I'm totally on board with it... nothing to argue there...
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2009
#27 ·
Scott Allen10 said:I feel like we're totally talking past each other here... look, if a colonoscopy is done correctly, the doctor checks the entire length of the colon, from start to finish. There’s no such thing as "deeper parts" of the colon because, well, that's the whole organ.
Plus, I find it pretty hard to believe that after having several colonoscopies, nobody noticed that nasty process happening inside where it was bleeding a little. I mean, okay, maybe once and they missed it... but doing it multiple times? Hmm...
That's the part I just can't wrap my head around, but whatever, it's not the main point...
As for the article being quoted, I'm totally on board with it... nothing to argue there...

Scott Allen10 makes a valid point, and Douglas Cook2 was spot on when citing *Der Spiegel*. To my mind, much of this boils down to basic hygiene—something that seems to be overlooked more often than it should be. The rule of thumb should be simple: lukewarm water followed by a neutral cream for sensitive skin. You absolutely cannot substitute that with aggressive scrubbing or rough paper usage. Beyond that, there is the matter of lifestyle, which requires a permanent overhaul of one's diet. It’s non-negotiable. All dairy products should be eliminated entirely, and pork is strictly off the table. As for other meats, you're looking at a maximum of 100–150 grams per week, always paired with plenty of vegetables and fibrous grains—think finely ground millet or similar whole grains. Of course, regular medical checkups are also vital. As for the question regarding tumor control, I actually have an answer for that as well, should anyone be interested in hearing it.
Scott Jackson40 Scott Jackson40 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2011
#28 ·
So, here’s my situation—I’ve got a desk job, so I don't move around much, currently sitting at about 230 lbs and 6'5" (though I'm a pretty active guy otherwise :-)). Back in April last year, I dealt with some nasty diarrhea with quite a bit of blood; my doctor figured it was Salmonella since I was running a fever. We did a colonoscopy, and man, the lining looked seriously damaged. No other issues at the time, though. About 20-25 days later, once things settled down, the doctor ran another colonoscopy and concluded the lining had recovered incredibly fast—like nothing had even happened. Since then, I’ve had two instances where there was a bit more blood after a bowel movement (you can see it in the toilet), but both were last year following weddings—specifically in August and November—after I went a little too hard on the Jagermeister and God knows what else. So, that's the brief history to give you some context... The thing actually bothering me now is that every 10 days or so, I get a dot or two of blood on the toilet paper (nothing more), but you can clearly see it's just tiny fissures (about 1mm) around the anus. That area gets itchy sometimes, and when you combine that with hard stools, you get those little spots of blood (though since I stopped using softeners, the itching has basically vanished). I went to the doctor and had my blood work, CBC, and urine tested... all the results came back fine, except my white blood cell count was 10.7 (the normal range goes up to 10.0), but that's likely because I have a slight bacterial presence in my urine (white cells were 2-4, which is fine since the limit is 5, plus some mucus and "something" regarding bacteria... whatever that means). Everything else looks solid—Sed rate is 4, lipids are good, liver enzymes are fine, and my lymphocytes on the CBC were 41 (range is 20-40), but the doctor said not to sweat it. Basically, looking for opinions. To put it simply: every 15 days or so, due to hard stools, I see a speck or two of blood on the paper, but it's visibly from an anal fissure. When my stools aren't that frequent or hard, the problem disappears. I had two colonoscopies last year, and the results were fine. Should I be worried, or should I just lose a few pounds? :-) Maybe drop another 10-15 lbs, move around a bit more, and eat lighter. Cheers and thanks to everyone for the input...
bluetrucker64 bluetrucker64 Member
20 messages
joined Jul 2021
#29 ·
Do you engage in anal sex?
Because if you do, that’s probably where the issue lies.
John Wilson5 John Wilson5 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Nov 2011
#30 ·
In my case—I guess it was just me—the issue was the excessive caffeine intake. I actually noticed my blood levels weren't showing up properly once I cut out coffee entirely!
Good luck.
vividsailor7 vividsailor7 Active Member
217 messages
joined Sep 2011
#31 ·
John Wilson5 said:In my case—I guess it was just me—the issue was the excessive caffeine intake. I actually noticed my blood levels weren't showing up properly once I cut out coffee entirely!
Good luck.

Look, you seriously need to get a fecal occult blood test done immediately.

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