Radiation from wireless internet antennas

Timothy Ruiz3 said:So you're telling me these routers aren't actually harmful? I know there's no definitive proof yet—but honestly, I still feel like they're something you should just avoid altogether... [?]

Let me take a look at what's showing up on my router:

So, we’re looking at SAR levels ranging from 0.36 to 1.14 W/kg. It's right there in the numbers.

What does it say on the phone?

When we talk about how much radio wave exposure you're actually getting, we’re looking at a metric called the Specific Absorption Rate, or SAR. To make sure things are being measured fairly, Tests for SAR ara conducted using standardized methods with The Phone transmitting AT its highest certified Power level in All used frequency bands. Tests for SAR ara conducted using standardized methods with The Phone transmitting AT its highest certified Power level in All used frequency bands.

SAR dati Information for residents in countries that have adopted The SAR limit reccomended by The International Commission of Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection The current standard follows the SAR limit recommended by the International Commission of Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP), which sits at 2 W/kg averaged over ten grams of tissue. (for example European Union, Japan, Brazil and New Zealand):

When you look at the specs for this particular model, the highest reading recorded during testing by Sony Ericsson for near-ear use hits 0.99 W/kg (10g).

So, basically, the SAR limit refers to... Maximum number of devices.You know that feeling when your phone catches a super weak signal and starts working overtime, basically fighting for its life just to maintain a connection? It’s like trying to shout through a thick wall during a thunderstorm. Since we actually have enough cell towers spread across the US, you really shouldn't be dealing with that kind of struggle all the time. So, we’re not really talking about raw intensity here—it's more about getting solid, reliable coverage.Honestly, when you look at the numbers, cell phones aren't even coming close to hitting those SAR limits.
People aren't going to start worrying about routers hitting the SAR limit until something actually gets in their way—like a thick wall in their house.

Look, SAR isn't just some magic number where danger suddenly switches on. It’s likely way lower than the threshold where we actually start seeing real risks from chronic exposure. That's just how testing works—whether you're looking at pharmaceuticals or any kind of radiation, non-ionizing or ionizing, it's standard practice. You don't wait for the house to burn down before you decide the heat is too high; you set limits long before the actual danger zone hits.

What’s the deal with the scientists, engineers, and technicians working directly in high-intensity fields? Or even the guys climbing up cell towers to run repairs? They spend hours standing right next to microwave parabolic antennas and they seem completely fine. It makes you wonder.
We’re talking about radio waves and weak microwaves here. This isn't the kind of radiation that tears molecules apart. Honestly, UV rays are way more dangerous, yet I don't see people running for cover every time the sun comes out. People love tanning, even though those rays are actually ripping through DNA and messing with base pairs and all that.

Look, my stance hasn't changed—even if I’m a little tipsy right now—Joseph Watson3 called it: the institutions just aren't working, at least not when it comes to what I've been writing about. People have pointed out my typos a few times lately... honestly, I don't know what happened. When I was a kid, I never had issues, but ever since I started posting on forums (about a year and a half now), I can't even tell my Cs from my Ks and I'm putting accents in all the wrong spots (I mostly write when I've had a few drinks—since the weather warmed up, I've been doing it more often)—but I still firmly believe that it isn't just one or two antennas. It's everything. Every single antenna, every device we have sitting in our houses and apartments (phones, microwaves, monitors, etc.) is pumping out some kind of radiation. Some of you have even felt skin irritation from things like mousepads (I actually had this weird thing happen where I'd feel skin irritation and see redness after just thirty minutes), and people who work with PVC stuff (windows, doors, etc.) get these strange sensations on their skin. These are dead materials; they aren't even connected to a power source, yet they radiate enough to actually feel it on your skin.

So much of this has been suppressed or covered up throughout history. You've got the scientific community, which only acknowledges hard evidence and facts, and then you've got the media spin I've been talking about—over the last 50 years or so, the media has gained the power to sway massive crowds into believing things that just aren't true.

Then there are the folks pushing nuclear energy as the ultimate solution for a world starving for power. I'm definitely not one of them. Bad things happen, and when they do, 1243 miles if it's happening far away from home, whatever, but when it's happening in your own neighborhood, things are definitely not okay. So, without total certainty, I'm just not buying into it.

wiredtiger10 said:Look, my stance hasn't changed—even if I’m a little tipsy right now—Joseph Watson3 called it: the institutions just aren't working, at least not when it comes to what I've been writing about. People have pointed out my typos a few times lately... honestly, I don't know what happened. When I was a kid, I never had issues, but ever since I started posting on forums (about a year and a half now), I can't even tell my Cs from my Ks and I'm putting accents in all the wrong spots (I mostly write when I've had a few drinks—since the weather warmed up, I've been doing it more often)—but I still firmly believe that it isn't just one or two antennas. It's everything. Every single antenna, every device we have sitting in our houses and apartments (phones, microwaves, monitors, etc.) is pumping out some kind of radiation. Some of you have even felt skin irritation from things like mousepads (I actually had this weird thing happen where I'd feel skin irritation and see redness after just thirty minutes), and people who work with PVC stuff (windows, doors, etc.) get these strange sensations on their skin. These are dead materials; they aren't even connected to a power source, yet they radiate enough to actually feel it on your skin.

So much of this has been suppressed or covered up throughout history. You've got the scientific community, which only acknowledges hard evidence and facts, and then you've got the media spin I've been talking about—over the last 50 years or so, the media has gained the power to sway massive crowds into believing things that just aren't true.

Then there are the folks pushing nuclear energy as the ultimate solution for a world starving for power. I'm definitely not one of them. Bad things happen, and when they do, 1243 miles if it's happening far away from home, whatever, but when it's happening in your own neighborhood, things are definitely not okay. So, without total certainty, I'm just not buying into it.

So, you show up buzzed and start spiraling about radio waves? Real classy.
If you're getting skin irritation, maybe try washing your mouse and your hands once in a while.

And that bit about polyvinyl chloride is a dead giveaway that you're either drunk again or you don't know the first thing about physics. Sorry, but you're talking nonsense. 🤷
At room temperature, PVC radiates radio waves about as much as a toothbrush or a glass does. It radiates because it has a thermodynamic temperature above absolute zero. A newborn baby radiates way more than a hunk of plastic.
The actual danger arises when the amount of unpolymerized vinyl chloride monomers exceeds the maximum allowable limit. That is an entirely different issue.

As for nuclear energy, it looks like you're completely out of your depth there, too. You're just another person using Chernobyl (a semi-military plant with a terrible design that was undergoing a test during a massive violation of basic reactor core safety protocols) as the gold standard for peaceful nuclear energy.

And what am I supposed to talk to someone like this about? Someone who thinks PVC "radiates" (woooo!) and doesn't understand the basics of Chernobyl? For crying out loud, those are fundamentals.

Yeah, right—like Chernobyl even happened. It’s just one more excuse for you to push that rule of yours that nothing is actually dangerous.

Look, I got hammered and hit on the new waitress at the pub, and honestly, I don't give a damn about you or your opinion (even though you're dying for me to be wrong)—maybe I'm not, but man, I hope I'm not.

Now, let me tell you exactly what I am certain about:

You're gonna die all alone, with nobody there to hold your cold, withered hand while they sob, "wiredtiger10, you legend, you were right."

wiredtiger10 said:Yeah, right—like Chernobyl even happened. It’s just one more excuse for you to push that rule of yours that nothing is actually dangerous.

Look, I got hammered and hit on the new waitress at the pub, and honestly, I don't give a damn about you or your opinion (even though you're dying for me to be wrong)—maybe I'm not, but man, I hope I'm not.

Now, let me tell you exactly what I am certain about:

You're gonna die all alone, with nobody there to hold your cold, withered hand while they sob, "wiredtiger10, you legend, you were right."

Even if I were dead drunk, I couldn't manage to make this many typos. Have our institutions failed us yet again?

Joseph Watson3 said:Even if I were dead drunk, I couldn't manage to make this many typos. Have our institutions failed us yet again?

No. The guy straight up admitted he was writing while high. 🤷

placidjackal36 said:No. The guy straight up admitted he was writing while high. 🤷

I was actually referring to educational standards—it seems like they haven't improved much in the humanities, let alone the sciences. And honestly, I wouldn't say people become illiterate specifically because of alcohol; that's just a standard side effect of being drunk (well, except for maybe the Tifpeler types). 😁

If nothing else, at least I get a good laugh when some semi-literate drunk starts lecturing everyone about the dangers of cell towers, nuclear power, and global conspiracies—all while somehow finding a way to brag about how he hooked up with the new waitress at the local pub. 🤣

There’s nothing quite like getting into a heated debate with some total geek about how many bytes are actually in a kilobyte. I once drove an Englishman absolutely insane over it—honestly, he was about two seconds away from jumping out a window. 👍

Anyway, hang in there.

You two should probably just get together and hash out all this new tech stuff. 🤣🤣🤣

Hey geeks 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You might want to worry more about putting a condom on before you start sliding them around... Or maybe you aren't too terrified of radiation from latex 🤷

Alright, let’s talk about condoms for a sec

I don't know if it's the latex or some chemical in the lube, but I feel like something weird happens to my performance after using them—honestly, I feel like a total turtle out there. Can someone look into this? I'm genuinely curious.

Joseph Watson3 said:I’ve got a wireless AP in my room that runs 24/7—and the only reason I have it is because I can't be bothered to drag a UTP cable across the floor when I'm using my laptop in bed.😁

APs emit radiation in the milliwatt range; honestly, questioning such negligible radiation is pretty much pointless.

So, you're dragging a power cable to the bed with your laptop and suddenly one thin ethernet cord is too much to ask? Or are you just working for an hour or two before the battery dies?

Perhaps this discussion is better suited for a scientific forum.
When we look at radiation through the lens of its impact on people, we can categorize it into distinct groups. Electromagnetic radiation falls under the non-ionizing category, which essentially means it doesn't have enough energy to tear apart our DNA. When dealing with low frequencies—take a local power substation, for instance—we have to look specifically at the electric and magnetic fields separately. However, once you move into higher frequencies, such as radio, television, cellular networks, or Wi-Fi, the primary concern shifts toward power density. Higher frequencies tend to produce a thermal effect.

Base stations or transmitters generally have a relatively low power density when viewed from a distance, and they distribute that power quite evenly throughout the human body or even an entire room. In my estimation, their ability to actually heat the body is usually negligible compared to the natural heat our own bodies generate every single second.

With Wi-Fi routers, we are dealing with those higher frequencies. The UMTS network operates on similar frequencies as well, though for UMTS, the established power density limits are set lower than they are for older GSM standards. A router itself doesn't possess massive power, and it’s typically kept at a fair distance from your body. That said, placing a router right on your desk or perched directly on top of a computer tower isn't exactly the smartest move, especially if you spend most of your day sitting there. It’s much better to tuck it away somewhere further from where people hang out. I'm not talking about moving it 100 yards away; even just putting it on a ceiling above a desk or tucked down a hallway works wonders. Usually, you can find a nice compromise where you still get great coverage without being right on top of it. Also, keep in mind that a router emits very little radiation when it isn't actively communicating. So, for those who are particularly cautious, if you leave your PC running overnight to download large files, it would be wise to connect it via an Ethernet cable instead. Even just passing through a wall significantly weakens the radiation.

Now, let’s get to the most critical point regarding how this affects the human body: the cell phone! Even though the power output of a phone is relatively small, the issue is that we press it directly against our ear. This radiation heats up the most sensitive points on the head—specifically around the eye first, and then the brain. If the signal is weak, the phone ramps up its power output just so the tower can hear it (this is the exact same reason why those "anti-radiation" stickers are a total scam), which in turn heats the brain more intensely. However, even then, that heating remains within—or even well below—the levels produced by simple physical activity.

The real catch, however, is that with a cell phone, the heating is localized. Our body's internal thermoregulation mechanism tends to ignore this tiny bit of local heat because the circulatory system is designed to equalize temperatures across different parts of the body. Consequently, during a long conversation, you might end up creating a concentrated "hot spot" inside your head or neck, particularly in areas with less robust blood flow.

It isn't necessarily as terrifying as it sounds, but the real question remains: what are the long-term effects of these localized temperature spikes?

There is also one other quirk with cell phones: at the exact moment a call is being established, the power density can spike "through the roof." Because of that, it’s definitely better to have the phone sitting on the table rather than tucked away in your jeans pocket! :-)

When it comes to devices that are used at a distance from the human body, even if they do cause some heating, that heat is distributed evenly, and the body knows exactly how to handle it.

I honestly think that it's just a little bit of radiation

Got this from a science report

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0214144349.htm

Like I’ve said before—any device running on electricity (TVs, microwaves, speakers, light bulbs, etc.) emits radiation. Some more than others. I’ve already posted about how even dead materials emit stuff—think mouse pads, cheap mice—those low-end ones from overseas are made of some sketchy plastic where your hand turns red after just thirty minutes—or even PVC window frames. If you've ever worked with PVC, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I’ve actually seen how that stuff is manufactured. It’s basically waste plastic being ground up and molded into a product. Now, look, that doesn't mean PVC window frames are dangerous for people just living in a house with them, but for the workers handling it all day long? It can't be good. It's just like wearing polyester—it's not a natural material, and it isn't smart to be wearing it against your skin.

wiredtiger10 said:Got this from a science report

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0214144349.htm

Like I’ve said before—any device running on electricity (TVs, microwaves, speakers, light bulbs, etc.) emits radiation. Some more than others. I’ve already posted about how even dead materials emit stuff—think mouse pads, cheap mice—those low-end ones from overseas are made of some sketchy plastic where your hand turns red after just thirty minutes—or even PVC window frames. If you've ever worked with PVC, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I’ve actually seen how that stuff is manufactured. It’s basically waste plastic being ground up and molded into a product. Now, look, that doesn't mean PVC window frames are dangerous for people just living in a house with them, but for the workers handling it all day long? It can't be good. It's just like wearing polyester—it's not a natural material, and it isn't smart to be wearing it against your skin.

You're emitting more radiation than a piece of plastic.
Stop spreading misinformation.

PVC window frames aren't made from waste plastic; they're made from vinyl chloride that gets polymerized into polyvinyl chloride.
What you saw were polyethylene granules that get melted down on-site to inject into molds to create products.

Wearing polyester isn't smart if it isn't breathable. If it's non-porous, your sweat has nowhere to go and you'll end up sweating like a pig. Polyester itself isn't dangerous, provided it's of decent quality.

Polyvinyl chloride is safe for humans because it's a polymer. The human body doesn't produce anything capable of breaking it back down into monomers.
However, PVC plastic *can* be dangerous because it might contain more monomers than the maximum dose allowed by law. It could also contain more stabilizers than what is permitted. That's common knowledge regarding any plastic mass.

wiredtiger10 said:Got this from a science report

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0214144349.htm

Like I’ve said before—any device running on electricity (TVs, microwaves, speakers, light bulbs, etc.) emits radiation. Some more than others. I’ve already posted about how even dead materials emit stuff—think mouse pads, cheap mice—those low-end ones from overseas are made of some sketchy plastic where your hand turns red after just thirty minutes—or even PVC window frames. If you've ever worked with PVC, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I’ve actually seen how that stuff is manufactured. It’s basically waste plastic being ground up and molded into a product. Now, look, that doesn't mean PVC window frames are dangerous for people just living in a house with them, but for the workers handling it all day long? It can't be good. It's just like wearing polyester—it's not a natural material, and it isn't smart to be wearing it against your skin.

Oh, come on. Plastic emits radiation? As far as I know, plastic can hold a static charge, but I seriously doubt it actually "emits radiation." If your hand is turning red, that sounds more like skin irritation or some kind of reaction to the material itself. Maybe it's low-quality stuff leaching out unbonded monomers or whatever additives they toss in there, or maybe it's just a personal sensitivity to that specific type of polymer.

If you're really going to claim it's radiating, then walk me through the science. How does this radiation even work, and what kind are we talking about? Electromagnetic? Radioactive?...

placidjackal36,

The less we sit glued to computers, TVs, and whatever else—the better for us. I’ve said it before: it's not just one thing, it's the whole damn combo creating this toxic, unhealthy environment. Believe what you want, but tons of stuff we consider "normal" just isn't healthy for humans (and yeah, I'm talking about all this constant digital chatter via email, texts, forums, etc.). My take? Cut out everything you don't actually need. I keep everything in my house mapped out on a board—when I hit the sack or know I won't need something, I kill the power completely. I'm not trying to waste electricity for no reason. I saw some report on satellite TV where they said a satellite receiver in standby mode can pull as much juice overnight as a 40 or 60-watt bulb running for an hour. That adds up over the years—if it's true, anyway—and since it's constantly buzzing, it's definitely pulling something. I've made it a rule with my friends: don't call my cell unless it's actually important, and I do the same. I'm not some anti-tech Luddite—I use most of the features and tech available to everyone—but I'm certain we don't need half of it. I'm the type of guy willing to take the first step, even if my buddies on this forum make fun of me for it.

stormyheron4,

Yeah, my use of the word "radiation" wasn't quite the right way to describe what I was getting at. That PVC stuff just isn't a natural material, and it causes skin reactions—I used to install it at my houses, so I had plenty of direct contact with it. It's simply not a natural or healthy material, but like I said, it shouldn't be harmful if you aren't touching it constantly (unlike the workers handling it every day). They complain about all sorts of rashes and skin irritations—and I'm not talking about just two or three people, but dozens of folks I actually know.

The less we consume any kind of outside energy, the better off we all are. Whatever happened to just hanging out and messing around without needing all this stuff? Oh, wait, just remembered—I just had a little buzz myself. Woohoo, life is good.

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No comments on this article yet?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0214144349.htm

The big takeaway:

ScienceDaily (Feb. 15, 2008) — An American scientist, Siegal Sadetzki, has found a link between cell phone usage and the development of tumors.

People who used a cell phone heavily on the side of the head where the tumor developed were found to have an increased risk of about 50% for developing a tumor of the main salivary gland (parotid), compared to those who did not use cell phones.

"This unique population has given us an indication that cell phone use is associated with cancer," adds Sadetzki, whose study investigated nearly 500 people who had been diagnosed with benign and malignant tumors of the salivary gland.

Here's what caught my eye:

The study also found an increased risk of cancer for heavy users who lived in rural areas. Because there are fewer cell towers out there, phones in rural areas have to pump out way more radiation to actually get a signal.

Keep Calling but call Smarter

"While i think this Technology is here to stay," Sadetzki says, "i believe precautions should be taken in order to diminish The exposure and lower The risk for health hazards." She recommends sticking to hands-free devices at all times—and even then, keep the phone away from your body while you're talking. Making fewer calls, and keeping them short, should also help prevent issues.

I'm mostly just waiting to see the comments from the folks who were absolutely convinced this radiation doesn't do anything to humans.

Mulac

Mulac? Come on, it’s not even an insult. I’m just messing around—don't take it so seriously.

I read that article and, honestly, it looks to me like heavy Cell Phone Use Linked to Cancer is a real possibility. I think you're downplaying a lot of stuff here. This looks like a legit news site or whatever, and I don't buy that they'd publish something if it wasn't true.

I actually watched this report where scientists proved that sitting with a laptop on your lap—which is what basically everyone does—leads to lower sperm counts. The laptop heats up that area and causes those changes. I'm only bringing this up so you see how little it takes to cause an impact. We aren't even talking about radiation here, just simple heat from a few degrees.

What I'm saying is that it's just smart to cut out things we don't absolutely need. If we can't cut them out entirely, at least try to dial it back.