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Human Rights Film Festival (Feb 8-13)

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rustyseal40 rustyseal40 Member
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#21 ·
I am honestly wondering about the logic here... if we consider it perfectly acceptable to sit in a movie theater watching a projection from some dusty old DVD or a DivX file, then why wouldn't it be just as reasonable to watch a recorded video of a band at a concert instead of an actual live performance? And yet, nobody seems to raise a finger. Oh, sure, maybe the audio quality is slightly subpar, but who cares? You save a fortune on the band's appearance fees, travel expenses, hotel stays, and all those ridiculous performance stipends. To top it all off, you still get to pocket public tax dollars to fund the "event," pocket the cash, and everyone walks away thinking the concert was absolutely fantastic!
stormygardener83 stormygardener83 Member
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#22 ·
@Harold Howard6

No, look—I honestly think you’re missing the point here, probably because the last hundred movies you’ve sat through were all big-budget productions that leaned heavily on tight plots and "prestige" acting.

But for me? Seeing a scene where some guy gets hit by a golf ball, passes out, and then gets buried alive while he's still conscious... that actually felt refreshing. It was a break from the constant need for everything to make sense. The movie mastered the art of being professionally nonsensical—it clearly knew what it was doing. Sure, the acting is rough (that Delilah actress was basically a total amateur in her first role), but this isn't some Oscar contender you should be dissecting for technical perfection. The film has a subliminal message, and honestly, she already gave you the whole breakdown at the start. I liked the movie. But hey, whatever—different strokes for different folks.
Harold Howard6 Harold Howard6 Newcomer
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#23 ·
stormygardener83 said:@Harold Howard6

No, look—I honestly think you’re missing the point here, probably because the last hundred movies you’ve sat through were all big-budget productions that leaned heavily on tight plots and "prestige" acting.

But for me? Seeing a scene where some guy gets hit by a golf ball, passes out, and then gets buried alive while he's still conscious... that actually felt refreshing. It was a break from the constant need for everything to make sense. The movie mastered the art of being professionally nonsensical—it clearly knew what it was doing. Sure, the acting is rough (that Delilah actress was basically a total amateur in her first role), but this isn't some Oscar contender you should be dissecting for technical perfection. The film has a subliminal message, and honestly, she already gave you the whole breakdown at the start. I liked the movie. But hey, whatever—different strokes for different folks.

Well, listen, the idea that what you think about my taste, my viewing habits, or my cinematic knowledge—or whatever else you were aiming at—is completely off base. In fact, it's actually quite the opposite, and even if it weren't, I fail to see how that would serve as any kind of valid argument in this discussion..
Grace Carter2 Grace Carter2 Newcomer
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#24 ·
I just watched Exportica. Honestly, it was pretty shocking at first—maybe that was the whole point of the movie? But then it kind of spiraled into this weird tragicomedy. The theater was cracking up, I was cracking up... I don't know. I guess I didn't walk away with some big, profound life lesson or anything.
rustyseal40 rustyseal40 Member
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#25 ·
Grace Carter2 said:I just watched Exportica. Honestly, it was pretty shocking at first—maybe that was the whole point of the movie? But then it kind of spiraled into this weird tragicomedy. The theater was cracking up, I was cracking up... I don't know. I guess I didn't walk away with some big, profound life lesson or anything.

My dear Grace Carter2, quite frankly, I found myself weeping from pure frustration, and it truly pains me that I cannot even engage in a proper debate about WHAT I witnessed, simply because the HOW of the presentation was so utterly abysmal. It isn't merely a matter of Exportica or the fact that ninety percent of the lineup felt like filler; I find it absolutely impossible to believe that they actually screened works by masters like sokur from a scratched, low-quality DVD! 😠
Therefore, I would like to propose a grand theme for next year's most egalitarian festival in town: "would copyright also be a human right?".
Matthew Gomez5 Matthew Gomez5 Member
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#26 ·
rustyseal40 said:My dear Grace Carter2, quite frankly, I found myself weeping from pure frustration, and it truly pains me that I cannot even engage in a proper debate about WHAT I witnessed, simply because the HOW of the presentation was so utterly abysmal. It isn't merely a matter of Exportica or the fact that ninety percent of the lineup felt like filler; I find it absolutely impossible to believe that they actually screened works by masters like sokur from a scratched, low-quality DVD! 😠
Therefore, I would like to propose a grand theme for next year's most egalitarian festival in town: "would copyright also be a human right?".


They certainly are, though perhaps in a slightly different sense; copyright functions as a right for everyone, not just for one individual, because it's ultimately about freedom and all that.
rustyseal40 rustyseal40 Member
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#27 ·
Matthew Gomez5 said:They certainly are, though perhaps in a slightly different sense; copyright functions as a right for everyone, not just for one individual, because it's ultimately about freedom and all that.

Honestly, I saw this exact line of reasoning coming from a mile away. However, we aren't actually discussing the standard concept of copyright that you seem to be implying here, because if you actually spoke to these people, they would be the first to clarify that "free" in terms of liberty does not automatically mean "free" in terms of price.
In their specific situation, you don't have some massive corporate entity like Zampa swooping in to shake them down like they're a concert promoter; that's an entirely different beast. When a venue like Madison Square Garden brings in a band that waives certain rights, those terms are negotiated directly with the musicians—you ask permission. In this instance, nobody bothered to ask anyone; nobody even consulted Valie export to see if she was okay with her film being screened for free!
The issue at hand is that while free screenings for non-commercial or educational purposes are permitted, common decency dictates that you consult the creator, and most will grant permission (unless a distributor is hoarding the rights, though screening fees are laughably small unless you're dealing with A-list superstars). They failed to do this because frankly, no artist—not even one working under a copyleft license—would tolerate having their film projected at a festival using a technically flawed or corrupted medium; at the very least, they would provide a proper copy. For free.
ruggedmarlin15 ruggedmarlin15 Active Member
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#28 ·
From what I’ve gathered, Sokur managed to secure a deal with a local distributor (or maybe they just leased the screening rights).
dustyseal21 dustyseal21 Newcomer
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#29 ·
ruggedmarlin15 said:From what I’ve gathered, Sokur managed to secure a deal with a local distributor (or maybe they just leased the screening rights).

That's what I heard too... sounds like the distributor might be running on some kind of flat rate deal.🙂
Carl Sullivan6 Carl Sullivan6 Newcomer
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#30 ·
Which movie was it that aired with those HRT edits and translations? And honestly, is that even allowed—showing a film in theaters using subtitling from a public broadcaster? I can't believe it. So far, the only place I've seen something that low-quality was at a swamp show. It’s clearly the exact same crew behind all of it.
ruggedmarlin15 ruggedmarlin15 Active Member
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#31 ·
Why wouldn't a TV network be allowed to handle the subtitling for a certain movie? (I'm assuming it's being aired on a beta version or something)
rustyseal40 rustyseal40 Member
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#32 ·
@ruggedmarlin15... reading your posts, I get the impression you’re quite well-acquainted with the inner workings of the film festival. So, please, enlighten me: why does the festival refuse to screen films from DVD screeners and instead makes such a massive ordeal out of sourcing official prints? And more importantly, why is it that if you can't secure a proper film print, you simply scrap the screening altogether?
It didn't bother me nearly as much when, for instance, during Saturday's screening of "Smiling Mrs. Beudet," a woman stepped onto the stage to explain the whole ridiculous mess regarding the DivX files—fine, I suppose I could overlook that. But once I realized this wasn't just an isolated incident with one single screening, but rather a recurring pattern across almost everything I've watched, well, that becomes a massive problem for me! If a screening is interrupted twice because the film was delivered on three different burned DVDs requiring someone to swap them out mid-movie (Chantal Akerman), then fine—I might tolerate that at some visual arts college, a university seminar, or some obscure academy. But here at Kino Europa? Honestly, absolutely not!!!
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
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#33 ·
rustyseal40 said:@ruggedmarlin15... reading your posts, I get the impression you’re quite well-acquainted with the inner workings of the film festival. So, please, enlighten me: why does the festival refuse to screen films from DVD screeners and instead makes such a massive ordeal out of sourcing official prints? And more importantly, why is it that if you can't secure a proper film print, you simply scrap the screening altogether?
It didn't bother me nearly as much when, for instance, during Saturday's screening of "Smiling Mrs. Beudet," a woman stepped onto the stage to explain the whole ridiculous mess regarding the DivX files—fine, I suppose I could overlook that. But once I realized this wasn't just an isolated incident with one single screening, but rather a recurring pattern across almost everything I've watched, well, that becomes a massive problem for me! If a screening is interrupted twice because the film was delivered on three different burned DVDs requiring someone to swap them out mid-movie (Chantal Akerman), then fine—I might tolerate that at some visual arts college, a university seminar, or some obscure academy. But here at Kino Europa? Honestly, absolutely not!!!

So, what was the movie actually like?
Is it worth checking out?
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
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#34 ·
Dora Baras and Lucia Zora were the brains behind the side program, and their whole vibe was basically trying to build this "how female directors actually shape cinema" project. They wanted to show how these women truly impacted film history. Honestly, pulling that off in just five days? That’s a massive undertaking—maybe even a little ambitious if we're being real—but they nailed it. We got to choose from some seriously heavy-hitting directors, the kind you don't exactly see playing on the big screen every day. It’s a shame we didn't get to see them on the big screen during this specific run, but hey, I'll get to that later.

Monday kicked off the first full day of the festival, and man, they didn't hold back on the classics. We started with "Beudet’s Jealousy," a gem by the French director Germaine Dulac. It’s this heavy look at a woman whose romantic dreams are basically crushed by her primitive husband. People call it the first real feminist film, and honestly, I can see why. Dulac was way ahead of her time, using all these experimental camera tricks just to show what the characters were feeling deep down. It was a total trip. It was a bit of a bummer that the screening was just a DVD rip, though. There was this massive HBO watermark stuck in the top right corner the entire time, which was super distracting. But hey, better than not seeing it at all, right? It really made me think about how Dulac paved the way. Everyone always talks about "Un Chien Andalou" being the start of surrealism, but that's just common misconception. The real pioneer was actually her 1928 film, "The Shell and the Priest." Get your facts straight!
Monday’s second film was *Girls in Uniform*. It’s likely the work of the very first female director in German film history, Leontina Sagan. The story follows girls growing up in this almost totalitarian boarding school, which acts as a direct jab at that strict Prussian regime—plus, it basically foreshadows the rise of Nazism. It’s actually based on a play by Christ Winsloe, though they changed the ending. While the play ends in tragedy, the movie manages a happy conclusion with a little bit of hope for the future, even though there's this constant, heavy sense of anxiety and surveillance hanging over everything. The entire cast is female, too. It’s famous for being one of the first films to feature an openly lesbian storyline. Interestingly, it was actually banned here in the USA until Eleanor Roosevelt recognized how important it was and stepped in to get the ban lifted. Even though it became a cult classic within the lesbian community, the general public mostly ignored it back then. Everyone was way too obsessed with *Blue Angel*, that Josef von Sternberg film that made Marlene Dietrich a massive star.

Tuesday was all about the Anglo films. First up was "Dancing, Girl, Dancing," which features what was almost certainly the first woman to land a steady gig in Hollywood. It’s a pretty interesting watch if you're looking at it through a feminist lens, though I'll admit it leans quite heavily into that typical commercial vibe. You’ve got the legendary Maureen O'Hara and Lucille Ball leading the charge, and get this—the editing was done by Robert Wise. He actually cut his teeth on this before moving on to edit "Citizen Kane." Most people just know him as the director behind those massive musicals like "West Side Story" and "My Melodies, My Dreams."
Then came "Orlando," that movie by Sally Potter based on the famous book by Virginia Woolf. It’s got Tilda Swinton playing the lead—you know, the one who just got an Oscar nod for "Michael Clayton." She plays this aristocrat who lives for like 400 years and switches genders along the way. The critics mostly loved it, and it even snagged a few Oscar nominations for stuff like costume design, but man, it gets incredibly pretentious at times. Especially that part where Swinton looks straight into the lens and tells us how absolutely nothing has changed except her gender, and that everything stays exactly the same. Please. Such a snooze!

Thursday was easily the peak of the whole festival for me. Having Tarkovsky in the main lineup? Absolute perfection. And don't even get me started on the side programming—getting to see works by Varda and Věra Chytilová was such a massive win. Agnès Varda’s "Happiness" is a total gem. She’s basically the matriarch of the New Wave, and this movie is a masterpiece. It follows this handsome guy torn between two different women, but it's handled so beautifully. You know how Anton Karas’s score in Carol Reed’s "The Third Man" just hits every single beat perfectly? Well, the Mozart tracks used here do the exact same thing. They create this incredible, idyllic atmosphere. Honestly, "Happiness" is one of those rare films where you experience true synesthesia. Those scenes shot out in the meadows are just breathtaking. Everything clicks—the classical music, the vibrant colors of nature, the smiles on the actors' faces... it all just flows together in total harmony. It actually won a Special Jury Prize back in 1965 at the Berlin International Film Festival and was even up for the Golden Bear. Just stunning.
"The Little Girls" was the absolute shocker of the bunch. After we caught Vera Chytilová’s latest piece, "Pleasant Moments," at our last meetup in rural Wisconsin—which was actually a pretty normal, straightforward movie—and then seeing that overview of 60s Czechoslovak cinema over in Beverly Hills a few months back, I really wasn't expecting anything wild. But man, were we wrong. We got hit with this experimental, avant-garde, surrealist trip that felt like a modern-day, female-led version of Fellini’s "Satiricon." Maria 1 and Maria 2 just cycle through these bizarre, almost morbid events with zero logic or flow. It’s super interesting, but honestly? It’s a grind. A fair amount of people actually walked out because there are moments where it just drags. I thought the director might ruin a great idea, but those final few minutes actually saved it and pushed it to a high level. The director’s message—that the film is dedicated to everyone who only worries about spoiled food—is such a gut punch when you remember the opening shots of cities being bombed. Even though she tries to distract us by ditching the traditional narrative, we spent the whole time obsessing over these two Marias, who aren't even the point. Those bursts of Dadaism at the end try to remind you that everything around us is destroying us, so why shouldn't we destroy everything around us too?

On the final day, we watched "My Dearest Children" by Márta Mészáros, one of Canada's heavy hitters. This kicks off her "film diary" trilogy (she’s doing "Diary for My Loves" in '87 and "Diary for My Parents" in '90; the same Polish actor Jan Nowicki plays János throughout, along with Canadian actress Zsuzsa Czinskóczi as Juli). If you dig Canadian cinema and generally vibe with the stuff they show at Cannes, you’re going to love this—it actually won a Special Jury Prize. But if you aren't into that sort of thing, skip it. It is incredibly slow, heavy, and frankly, monotonous. At least five people bailed on this one, though at the start, it was closer to 15. This first "diary" follows little Juli as she heads from Russia back to Canada with her grandparents, staying with Aunt Magda, who is a hardcore Stalinist. They even throw in some direct jabs at pro-Marshall spies. The director uses a mostly static camera for the present-day stuff, contrasting it with dynamic archival footage from the recent past, which is a clever way to show how two seemingly different things are actually the same.

Overall, the side program wasn't bad, but it could have been so much better. People kept complaining that the organizers were playing movies off DivX discs and DVDs—most didn't even have subtitles! Some were straight-up rips from CBS (it even said "PROCESSED BY CBS" at the end). Seriously, anyone with a decent home media collection could pull that off. But my biggest gripe? The cold. The theater was freezing during the entire program. Look, I get it, volunteers are working for free and budgets are tight, but they really should have figured that out.
I have to give credit where it's due for the free screenings, though I have to wonder if it's even worth showing "Orlando" for free when the English is nearly impossible to hear, there are no subtitles, and the picture quality is trash. Still, these hard-to-find films are rare, and names like Varda, Chytilová, and Mészáros should mean something to people. But let's go back to the scope of the project. There are way too many legendary female directors—think Leni Riefenstahl ("Triumph of the Will"), Mira Nair ("Monsoon Wedding"), Julie Taymor ("Frida"), Jane Campion ("The Piano"), Sofia Coppola ("Lost in Translation"), Agnieszka Holland ("Europa Europa"), Gillian Armstrong ("Little Women"), etc.—to try and map out the history of women in film in just five days. Plus, giving space to someone like Valie Export feels totally unnecessary (okay, maybe not *all* of them are "essential," but they're much higher quality and would definitely draw a bigger crowd than some random local fluff). Honestly, with the terrible projection quality this year, maybe it's better not to watch Riefenstahl or Sofia Coppola at all rather than sitting in a freezing room watching a tiny, blurry screen without subtitles. Maybe next year we'll get perfect conditions, even if we have to pay a little more for a ticket. Then it'll be up to the organizers whether the next festival is a "Triumph of the Will" or just literally "Lost in Translation."
ruggedmarlin15 ruggedmarlin15 Active Member
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#35 ·
Is it just me, or did a massive crowd turn out for that movie they aired on CBS? I don't see anything controversial about it unless someone can actually point out where a scandal might be hiding, but it’s weird—does nobody else remember the title? I’d love to ask the people in charge what happened there, but I can't exactly go asking questions out of nowhere without a real reason.
And if they showed one specific film on CBS, then it's "one film," not "a bunch of them." Did I miss a whole slew of other titles or something?

Plus, the entire main program is subtitled in American.

ruggedmarlin15
rustyseal40 rustyseal40 Member
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#36 ·
ruggedmarlin15 said:Is it just me, or did a massive crowd turn out for that movie they aired on CBS? I don't see anything controversial about it unless someone can actually point out where a scandal might be hiding, but it’s weird—does nobody else remember the title? I’d love to ask the people in charge what happened there, but I can't exactly go asking questions out of nowhere without a real reason.
And if they showed one specific film on CBS, then it's "one film," not "a bunch of them." Did I miss a whole slew of other titles or something?

Plus, the entire main program is subtitled in American.

ruggedmarlin15

We are talking about the works of Věra Chytilová (which was shown at the screening). Frankly, I cannot follow your reasoning at all. CBS didn't provide subtitles for the Human Rights Film Festival; the film was played from a DVD that was recorded straight from a television broadcast. Where on earth did anyone get the idea that CBS would bother subtitling films for festivals, or give them a free pass with movies for which they paid the broadcasting rights, only to have these organizers screen them illegally? 😂 This is absolute nonsense!
ruggedmarlin15 ruggedmarlin15 Active Member
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#37 ·
It would be a huge stretch for me to claim:
a) that the movie was played from a DVD
b) or that it was shown illegally
without me verifying those facts beforehand.

Honestly, I just assumed CBS had owned a copy with American subtitles for ages and, wouldn't you know it, they just handed it over to the organizers for the screening. It was likely all above board, too; I can't imagine anyone involved would risk breaking the law when everyone in the industry knows exactly how messy copyright issues can get if things aren't handled properly.
Carl Sullivan6 Carl Sullivan6 Newcomer
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#38 ·
Why is everyone acting surprised that they went with DVD now? It’s not a shock since we already established that was the standard. I did some work at CBS a few years back, and honestly, the odds of getting a decent film—let alone one with subtitles—from them are basically zero. I don't know, maybe everything changed and they suddenly became generous. And this talk about copyright infringement and breaking the law... it's like people forget where we live. Who’s actually going to bother fighting for some festival, a club, or any organization when things are just the way they are? Except for AMPTP, they jump on every opportunity. I'm not sure if that's the ultimate fix for these situations, but having actual regulation would definitely be a plus. I’m truly tired of going to theaters from Beverly Hills onwards, only to find movies being screened like I'm watching them in my own living room. If I can just stay home, why bother? I have no interest in cinema that doesn't make an effort to present the work properly—especially when they're charging admission! Honestly, they should just pay me to organize a festival; I’ve got quite a solid collection at home. Look, if the Human Rights Film Festival released Věra Chytilová with permission from CBS, then fine, but I highly doubt it.
rustyseal40 rustyseal40 Member
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#39 ·
ruggedmarlin15 said:It would be a huge stretch for me to claim:
a) that the movie was played from a DVD
b) or that it was shown illegally
without me verifying those facts beforehand.

Honestly, I just assumed CBS had owned a copy with American subtitles for ages and, wouldn't you know it, they just handed it over to the organizers for the screening. It was likely all above board, too; I can't imagine anyone involved would risk breaking the law when everyone in the industry knows exactly how messy copyright issues can get if things aren't handled properly.

I find it somewhat laughable that after everything we have witnessed, you are suddenly invoking copyright laws. Where exactly was this "respect for intellectual property" visible, other than perhaps in the titles listed for the main program? The entire supporting lineup was screened illegally! Since you want to discuss regulations, don't you realize how complex this is? There are distinct rights for television broadcast versus festival screenings, commercial vs. non-commercial festival rights, single-use licenses versus multi-screening rights, and journalistic screenings, etc. These rights are incredibly sophisticated, yet here in America, there seems to be a pervasive desire to bypass them whenever possible just to divert funds toward other things. Look no further than the budget mismanagement in Beverly Hills for a perfect example! And as for the violation of my rights—or rather, the viewer's right to a quality image—honestly, John couldn't care less about that!
But let us take this copyright argument to its logical conclusion: where did Maya Deren come from? Was it a 16mm print or a DVD? Of course, it was a DVD. So, were those rights properly regulated or not? I could go on all day listing rental fees and distribution costs. Furthermore, was the distributor even credited in the catalog or on the website? If the excuse being tossed around is that it was difficult to source films for the women's program, then claiming it was impossible to secure this specific title is a blatant lie; there isn't just one distributor, but several available! To say a title is unreachable is simply nonsense!
Furthermore: I saw Orlando in a standard theatrical release a few years ago, complete with American subtitles and a proper film print. So, where is that print now? And Chantal Akerman’s work is readily available in the film archives (not her actual physical self, 😉).
Unfortunately, in this charade, neither CBS, nor the incompetent organizers, nor the financiers who refuse to demand accountability will suffer any consequences. The only ones left to pay the price are the audience and all the other festivals that actually perform their duties professionally. If we insist on boasting about having a growing and robust festival culture, then that should logically necessitate an equally robust culture of viewership.
stormygardener83 stormygardener83 Member
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#40 ·
Harold Howard6 said:Well, listen, the idea that what you think about my taste, my viewing habits, or my cinematic knowledge—or whatever else you were aiming at—is completely off base. In fact, it's actually quite the opposite, and even if it weren't, I fail to see how that would serve as any kind of valid argument in this discussion..

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