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Charles Evans Charles Evans MemberOP
12 messages
joined May 2007
#1 ·
I have the chance to read this massive 7 or 8-page feature in the latest issue of 4-4-2 about how players are actually developed in Brazil—you know, the secret sauce behind all that talent. Honestly, a lot of it caught me off guard because it really challenges some of those common stereotypes we hold. Here are the most striking takeaways from the report:

1. Their own coaches are quick to point out that there’s no such thing as "God-given" talent; they argue that their players are just as much a product of work as anyone else in the world.

2. It all starts with small-sided games and futsal, which they consider the absolute cornerstone of development. They don't even let kids onto a full-sized pitch until they've mastered everything they need on a tight 25x18 meter court. They actually go as far as calling Europeans idiots for focusing on producing marathon runners rather than true ball players! Their logic is that a massive field just smothers a kid's creativity and kills the joy of playing and practicing.

3. Scouting is an relentless, annual process at every single age level, from youth squads all the way up to the Under-20s. I think they call them "peneires." Every single player has to go through these trials; it doesn't matter if you were the star of your team last season. If you don't make the cut at the trial, you're back to searching for a new club.

4. Legally, paying players under the age of 16 is strictly forbidden, but let's be real—only the massive clubs like the Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago White Sox, or New York Yankees actually follow that to the letter. Most other clubs find ways to give talented kids stipends that often exceed the national average or cover things like school tuition. The real tragedy is the pressure this puts on kids living in poverty. When an entire family is depending on that one kid's income, you start seeing real issues with exploitation and parents pushing unrealistic ambitions onto their children.

5. Out of thousands of these boys, incredibly few actually make it. The director of the Los Angeles Lakers' youth academy says that if they test hundreds of kids at the trials every year, they consider it a huge success if just three of them actually make it to the Under-20 level or the senior squad. And even then, only those elite players from the big clubs usually get the chance to move on to Europe.

6. Every single player on the Brazilian national team has survived the gauntlet of these trials; they've been sifted through the sieve until only the best remain. For them, it's the only way to ensure they are picking the absolute cream of the crop. Sadly, they are fully aware that they are essentially turning eight-year-olds into laborers, but their reasoning is blunt: "Poverty and hardship rule here; in Brazil, life starts early."

7. In the history of the national team, the only players to come from middle-class backgrounds were Socrates and Kakati.

Reading this really gives me a different perspective on guys like Ronald and Ronaldinho and why some Brazilian players live such wild, seemingly unprofessional lifestyles. They've had brutal lives, basically working since they were eight years old, fighting tooth and nail for a spot and a way out of the slums for twenty years straight. How can you expect someone like Ronald to have dynamite in his legs when he's simply run out of steam mentally?
Arthur Johnson Arthur Johnson Newcomer
3 messages
joined May 2007
#2 ·
BRAZIL AND FOOTBALL ARE A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!!!

THEY'RE PRACTICALLY SYNONYMOUS...

Kids over there are just born with it...
🙏 🙏
PELE.... a total legend. 🙏
Charles Evans Charles Evans MemberOP
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#3 ·
It’s far from nonsense; they know exactly what's at stake and they're fully aware of the reality. It comes down to grit, pure and simple—just relentless hard work. It’s that constant, uphill struggle to break free from the cycle of the inner city.
Arthur Johnson Arthur Johnson Newcomer
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joined May 2007
#4 ·
At least their hard work is paying off...

unlike players in other countries...
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
33 messages
joined Apr 2004
#5 ·
Charles Evans said:I have the chance to read this massive 7 or 8-page feature in the latest issue of 4-4-2 about how players are actually developed in Brazil—you know, the secret sauce behind all that talent. Honestly, a lot of it caught me off guard because it really challenges some of those common stereotypes we hold. Here are the most striking takeaways from the report:

1. Their own coaches are quick to point out that there’s no such thing as "God-given" talent; they argue that their players are just as much a product of work as anyone else in the world.

2. It all starts with small-sided games and futsal, which they consider the absolute cornerstone of development. They don't even let kids onto a full-sized pitch until they've mastered everything they need on a tight 25x18 meter court. They actually go as far as calling Europeans idiots for focusing on producing marathon runners rather than true ball players! Their logic is that a massive field just smothers a kid's creativity and kills the joy of playing and practicing.

3. Scouting is an relentless, annual process at every single age level, from youth squads all the way up to the Under-20s. I think they call them "peneires." Every single player has to go through these trials; it doesn't matter if you were the star of your team last season. If you don't make the cut at the trial, you're back to searching for a new club.

4. Legally, paying players under the age of 16 is strictly forbidden, but let's be real—only the massive clubs like the Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago White Sox, or New York Yankees actually follow that to the letter. Most other clubs find ways to give talented kids stipends that often exceed the national average or cover things like school tuition. The real tragedy is the pressure this puts on kids living in poverty. When an entire family is depending on that one kid's income, you start seeing real issues with exploitation and parents pushing unrealistic ambitions onto their children.

5. Out of thousands of these boys, incredibly few actually make it. The director of the Los Angeles Lakers' youth academy says that if they test hundreds of kids at the trials every year, they consider it a huge success if just three of them actually make it to the Under-20 level or the senior squad. And even then, only those elite players from the big clubs usually get the chance to move on to Europe.

6. Every single player on the Brazilian national team has survived the gauntlet of these trials; they've been sifted through the sieve until only the best remain. For them, it's the only way to ensure they are picking the absolute cream of the crop. Sadly, they are fully aware that they are essentially turning eight-year-olds into laborers, but their reasoning is blunt: "Poverty and hardship rule here; in Brazil, life starts early."

7. In the history of the national team, the only players to come from middle-class backgrounds were Socrates and Kakati.

Reading this really gives me a different perspective on guys like Ronald and Ronaldinho and why some Brazilian players live such wild, seemingly unprofessional lifestyles. They've had brutal lives, basically working since they were eight years old, fighting tooth and nail for a spot and a way out of the slums for twenty years straight. How can you expect someone like Ronald to have dynamite in his legs when he's simply run out of steam mentally?

... there's likely less pressure on the players and their coaches when Brazilians discover HaeNeL... 😉
In places like Miami or Ohio, the bar isn't exactly high... if you're listed as Brazilian on your birth certificate, that's practically a golden ticket to pack your bags and head toward the bright lights... Real Madrid and the big Portuguese teams have much higher standards...😎
Charles Evans Charles Evans MemberOP
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joined May 2007
#6 ·
Trust me, those who find their way to us are getting a pretty sweet deal. They’re coming straight out of the gutter, and what we offer them is nothing short of a palace. It’s a real struggle just to secure a crust of bread over there...
Arthur Johnson Arthur Johnson Newcomer
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joined May 2007
#7 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:... there's likely less pressure on the players and their coaches when Brazilians discover HaeNeL... 😉
In places like Miami or Ohio, the bar isn't exactly high... if you're listed as Brazilian on your birth certificate, that's practically a golden ticket to pack your bags and head toward the bright lights... Real Madrid and the big Portuguese teams have much higher standards...😎

WAY TO GO, CARE!!!🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
77 messages
joined Feb 2008
#8 ·
Charles Evans said:I have the chance to read this massive 7 or 8-page feature in the latest issue of 4-4-2 about how players are actually developed in Brazil—you know, the secret sauce behind all that talent. Honestly, a lot of it caught me off guard because it really challenges some of those common stereotypes we hold. Here are the most striking takeaways from the report:

1. Their own coaches are quick to point out that there’s no such thing as "God-given" talent; they argue that their players are just as much a product of work as anyone else in the world.

2. It all starts with small-sided games and futsal, which they consider the absolute cornerstone of development. They don't even let kids onto a full-sized pitch until they've mastered everything they need on a tight 25x18 meter court. They actually go as far as calling Europeans idiots for focusing on producing marathon runners rather than true ball players! Their logic is that a massive field just smothers a kid's creativity and kills the joy of playing and practicing.

3. Scouting is an relentless, annual process at every single age level, from youth squads all the way up to the Under-20s. I think they call them "peneires." Every single player has to go through these trials; it doesn't matter if you were the star of your team last season. If you don't make the cut at the trial, you're back to searching for a new club.

4. Legally, paying players under the age of 16 is strictly forbidden, but let's be real—only the massive clubs like the Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago White Sox, or New York Yankees actually follow that to the letter. Most other clubs find ways to give talented kids stipends that often exceed the national average or cover things like school tuition. The real tragedy is the pressure this puts on kids living in poverty. When an entire family is depending on that one kid's income, you start seeing real issues with exploitation and parents pushing unrealistic ambitions onto their children.

5. Out of thousands of these boys, incredibly few actually make it. The director of the Los Angeles Lakers' youth academy says that if they test hundreds of kids at the trials every year, they consider it a huge success if just three of them actually make it to the Under-20 level or the senior squad. And even then, only those elite players from the big clubs usually get the chance to move on to Europe.

6. Every single player on the Brazilian national team has survived the gauntlet of these trials; they've been sifted through the sieve until only the best remain. For them, it's the only way to ensure they are picking the absolute cream of the crop. Sadly, they are fully aware that they are essentially turning eight-year-olds into laborers, but their reasoning is blunt: "Poverty and hardship rule here; in Brazil, life starts early."

7. In the history of the national team, the only players to come from middle-class backgrounds were Socrates and Kakati.

Reading this really gives me a different perspective on guys like Ronald and Ronaldinho and why some Brazilian players live such wild, seemingly unprofessional lifestyles. They've had brutal lives, basically working since they were eight years old, fighting tooth and nail for a spot and a way out of the slums for twenty years straight. How can you expect someone like Ronald to have dynamite in his legs when he's simply run out of steam mentally?

And Pele... even if people tend to polish his biography just to make him seem more like a man of the people, you can't deny his dad was a pro for the Atlanta Braves..

so most Americans will probably tell you their greatest player of all time was actually Garrincha.. 👍
just some poor guy with a disability...
wiredpilot30 wiredpilot30 Member
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joined Apr 2005
#9 ·
If people in China played soccer as much as they do in Brazil, China would be a global powerhouse instead of Brazil 🙂
silentsurfer19 silentsurfer19 Member
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joined Aug 2010
#10 ·
Look, I'm telling you, the US isn't nearly as dominant as everyone here keeps claiming... honestly. You've got Argentina over there churning out massive amounts of elite young talent too. And don't even get me started on Europe—they're huge players in this. Just look at the Ajax academy, one of the most legendary setups in the world...
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#11 ·
The whole thing with these youth trials feels pretty ruthless, honestly, but I have to say, this indoor soccer scheme is actually a brilliant move. You sharpen up your technical skills on a smaller court first, and then you finally make the jump to the full-sized pitch.
briskviper15 briskviper15 Newcomer
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#12 ·
They've got 150 million people and everyone lives for soccer... they aren't really much of anything else besides maybe surfing... I guess most of them tend to level up once they move over to Europe, since you get that blend of raw talent and pure professionalism...

It might actually be interesting to see if Brazilians mostly stayed put in their own domestic league, kind of like how the Italians do things... though I suppose they might end up having less success that way.
Charles Evans Charles Evans MemberOP
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joined May 2007
#13 ·
silentsurfer19 said:Look, I'm telling you, the US isn't nearly as dominant as everyone here keeps claiming... honestly. You've got Argentina over there churning out massive amounts of elite young talent too. And don't even get me started on Europe—they're huge players in this. Just look at the Ajax academy, one of the most legendary setups in the world...

But if we are talking pure numbers, they export way more players than anyone else. Just take Portugal as an example—they have 127 of them! Meanwhile, you only see 7 coming out of the big leagues in England, while the other major leagues might only see 30 or 40.
Charles Evans Charles Evans MemberOP
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joined May 2007
#14 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:The whole thing with these youth trials feels pretty ruthless, honestly, but I have to say, this indoor soccer scheme is actually a brilliant move. You sharpen up your technical skills on a smaller court first, and then you finally make the jump to the full-sized pitch.

That guy from the Los Angeles Lakers claims that this entire system is the secret sauce behind why American soccer talent is so explosive. Think of the tryouts as a massive sieve; you start with thousands of hopefuls, and through that rigorous filtering process, only the absolute elite gems make it through. But really, it's the futsal that does the heavy lifting. It's just like what you see in that famous Ronaldinho commercial!
rowdyraven rowdyraven Member
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joined Oct 2010
#15 ·
briskviper15 said:They've got 150 million people and everyone lives for soccer... they aren't really much of anything else besides maybe surfing... I guess most of them tend to level up once they move over to Europe, since you get that blend of raw talent and pure professionalism...

It might actually be interesting to see if Brazilians mostly stayed put in their own domestic league, kind of like how the Italians do things... though I suppose they might end up having less success that way.

Spot on. I was just watching them play volleyball... absolute disaster.
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
77 messages
joined Feb 2008
#16 ·
rowdyraven said:Spot on. I was just watching them play volleyball... absolute disaster.

same goes for women's basketball😬
silentsurfer19 silentsurfer19 Member
23 messages
joined Aug 2010
#17 ·
mistycyclist51 said:same goes for women's basketball😬

plus race car drivers? absolute joke...🤣
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
77 messages
joined Feb 2008
#18 ·
silentsurfer19 said:plus race car drivers? absolute joke...🤣

then you've got that pathetic tennis player just rolling around on the floor like a complete amateur😬
Chloe Palmer2 Chloe Palmer2 Regular
266 messages
joined May 2009
#19 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:The whole thing with these youth trials feels pretty ruthless, honestly, but I have to say, this indoor soccer scheme is actually a brilliant move. You sharpen up your technical skills on a smaller court first, and then you finally make the jump to the full-sized pitch.

Exactly. I guess you just pick the handful who possess elite ball control, only for half of them to drop out of the pro clubs later because they simply can't handle the physical grind. You end up with a tiny group of players who can run like marathon athletes while possessing otherworldly technique. 🙏
Jason Foster7 Jason Foster7 Member
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joined Apr 2005
#20 ·
Chloe Palmer2 said:Exactly. I guess you just pick the handful who possess elite ball control, only for half of them to drop out of the pro clubs later because they simply can't handle the physical grind. You end up with a tiny group of players who can run like marathon athletes while possessing otherworldly technique. 🙏

you really know your stuff🙏 🙏 🙏

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