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How Formula 1 treats its fans

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shadowtinker29 shadowtinker29 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I figured I’d move this thread over from the old PBS forums and drop it here too—just wanted to see what you all think about it...

As someone who’s been obsessed with Formula 1 for what feels like forever—I mean, I’m staring down my 30th year of following this sport—the start of a new season always hits me right in the feels. It feels like the perfect moment to sit down and actually process my thoughts on where F1 stands today. Specifically, I want to talk about its relationship with the very people who make the whole thing worth watching in the first place... you know, us fans.

So, setting aside the fact that it was just the first race of the new season—which, mind you, was hyped up as one of the most spectacular events in history—what we actually got was (let’s be honest, just like most races over the last decade) a total snooze fest. It was boring from start to finish. Just a long line of cars driving in a procession, stuck in machines where overtaking feels almost impossible. Even if you're in the fastest car on the grid, trying to pass someone who's three or four seconds slower per lap is basically a lost cause. The only "exciting" moments were the usual suspects: the start, the first corner, and someone making a move through the pits. And all those new regulations? Including that rule about being forced to use two different tire compounds? They didn't do a single thing to actually improve the quality of the racing. And that's saying something, because this track actually allows for real racing! It makes me pretty nervous thinking about what the upcoming races in Malaysia, Los Angeles, Monaco, and especially Canada are going to look like... honestly, I can already tell they'll probably be just as unwatchable.

Let me circle back to what actually triggered me to write this whole thing in the first place. I have to be honest—the thing that gets under my skin more than anything else is that feeling of being totally ripped off. And lately, if I'm being real, I find myself linking that feeling almost exclusively to Formula 1.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around it—it’s just baffling. You’d think that what should be the absolute pinnacle of the sports experience, especially when you're watching everything through TV or streaming online, would be presented much better than this. It’s just... underwhelming, to say the least.

The race broadcasts lately have been absolutely terrible—and I’m not even talking about PBS here, I mean the actual Formula 1 management that owns the rights. It’s honestly frustrating how often they miss the most critical moments; sometimes the biggest moves happen and the cameras aren't even pointed in that direction. Then there's the issue with Friday practice sessions... good luck finding those on any decent satellite provider unless you're willing to pay those absurdly overpriced subscription fees. Thankfully, we have some absolute legends out there who basically sacrifice their own bandwidth just so we can catch bits of the action through various overseas streaming sites. And don't even get me started on the graphics. The technical analysis overlays during qualifying and the races themselves are so rare, and when they actually do show up? Man, they look straight-up embarrassing.

Some people will probably argue, "Hey, we have live timing right there on the official Formula 1 website." Yeah, well—the live timing during this race was anything but accurate. We had wrong sector times, wrong final lap times, and absolutely zero live commentary to actually explain what was going on. So, I figured, let's see what else this site can offer us. The latest news? Not really... Maybe you want to download a quick highlight reel or even a full replay of the race or qualifying sessions? No, of course not. You won't find that on the official site of this massive corporate giant. Because, heaven forbid, they'd risk losing a few million dollars just to cater to fanatics like us.

Anyway, the main thing is that we can check this page to see exactly how long we have to wait—it looks like there are 13 days, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and three seconds until the next race...

Like most other petrolheads out there—I’m guessing I'm not alone in that, right?—I follow quite a few different branches of motorsport. That includes the infamous NASCAR, which I want to focus on specifically here. Now, I'm not trying to get into a whole debate about whether NASCAR races are more "exciting" than Formula 1—that’s kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison if you ask me—but what I really want to talk about is the actual experience NASCAR provides for its fans...

After that massive viewership crash NASCAR dealt with back in the early nineties, they completely overhauled how they connect with their fans—because, let’s be honest, without an audience, the whole sport is pretty much pointless. And honestly? That’s exactly what we’re seeing play out with Formula 1 right now.

What on earth happened during those ten years? Seriously—where did the time go?

You can catch every single tiny detail of these races live on any of the major national networks—we're talking Fox, ABC, Speed, or ESPN... you name it. Honestly, the broadcasts are absolutely mind-blowing. If you haven't sat down to watch one yet, you are seriously missing out—you really have to see it for yourself (I actually have a list of upcoming races if anyone’s interested!). The graphics they use during the coverage are just fantastic, and the commentators? Truly incredible.

If you haven't checked out the official NASCAR website yet, do yourself a favor and head over there to compare it to the Formula 1 site. Honestly, I don't even feel like I need to weigh in here...

But, since I’m the type of person who actually travels to see these races in person, I figured I’d offer a little side-by-side comparison for those of you interested.

Formula 1:
The ticket prices are just absurd—it’s honestly no wonder half the races during the season look pretty empty. They also ditched that Sunday morning warm-up session I used to love so much... and if nothing else, for the price we pay, you’d expect better seating. I paid $270 for a seat and still felt like I was fighting for every second of sound and smell from the cars. As for fan activities? There’s basically nothing. Just a bunch of vendor stalls selling cheap junk and not much else.
Getting to the track is usually a total disaster, too. Back in 2005, I decided to take a bus to an event in a random US city—I can't even remember which one—and they had the bus parking organized about six miles away from the actual circuit. It was unbelievable. And getting near the drivers? Forget about it. Access is almost impossible because heaven forbid anyone actually tries to get an autograph or have a quick chat with one of those prima donnas...

NASCAR:
The ticket prices are way more reasonable, and the races are almost always sold out. For example, if you want a ticket for a small oval race in Bristol next week... you'd probably have to wait four years in line. I'm shocked!
At every single race (usually on Thursdays), they organize a pit walk where fans can actually stroll right onto the track and through the garages. The drivers are incredibly down-to-earth and friendly, too—you can actually meet them at every race since they schedule regular autograph sessions. Some people might say, "Well, that's because not many people attend live," but I won't get too bogged down in the numbers. Just look at this: last week in Las Vegas there were 140,000 spectators (just on Sunday!), Daytona had 170,000+, and Indianapolis saw over 250,000... essentially, just five NASCAR races equal the entire seasonal attendance of Formula 1 combined.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, but why not? I'm really curious to hear what you all think about the current state of Formula 1. How can they make it actually interesting again?

Because, let's be honest, with every new rule the FIA introduces, we'll soon find ourselves cheering for some 800cc four-cylinder go-karts cruising along at 75 miles/h in a pre-determined order on a track covered in speed bumps—all just to make sure our precious $50 billion ballerinas don't get a tiny little scratch on their paint jobs...

PS... I would actually love to hear what someone like a veteran TV producer would think about this, especially since they spent years working in high-level Formula 1 production if I remember correctly...
Brenda Baker4 Brenda Baker4 Newcomer
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#2 ·
I actually touched on this briefly in another thread just a bit ago, but honestly, it’s getting old. These cars have become way too expensive for today's kids. You have to be so careful, constantly babysitting the machinery! It makes zero sense. Why am I sitting here watching someone play defense to protect 7th place instead of actually lunging for 6th?
And don't get me started on these technical restrictions... what's the point? Who are they for? This is Formula 1—the whole damn idea is to make the cars go as fast and as efficient as possible! Instead, they cap the RPMs at 19,000. It's a joke. If the engine can't handle the revs and needs to blow up, let it!
The speed of the machine should depend entirely on how much guts the driver has to push it to the limit!
At the end of the day, all our complaining is useless... it's like they aren't even listening to us. We'll just find something else to watch and move on. Peace out, Formula 1.
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#3 ·
I wanted to jump back into the NASCAR conversation. I’ve been following the races more closely lately—sometimes streaming them online, sometimes downloading clips to watch later—and I noticed something really fascinating

They actually have dedicated technical commentators on hand. Whenever a driver hits a snag or runs into a complicated mechanical issue, they head over to this specialized car—which I assume they haul to every single race—that's propped up at a 45-degree angle. They use it to physically point out and explain exactly what went wrong, using all these different components like engines and transmissions laid out right there for everyone to see. Honestly, if you ask me, it’s just brilliant how they handle it.
Jonathan Booth5 Jonathan Booth5 Member
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#4 ·
It’s honestly frustrating when those amateurish Formula 1 commentators treat NASCAR like a punchline without ever actually sitting down to watch a single race. It’s such a shame that ESPN isn't broadcasting NASCAR like they used to a few years back. I really miss those Sunday evenings where you actually had quality racing to look forward to, whether it was IndyCar or NASCAR; those were some truly great Sundays.
But then again, Formula 1 is that first love you develop as a kid, long before you even knew IndyCar or NASCAR existed. Plus, it’s much more accessible; most fans can actually make it to a race in person. Meanwhile, Bernie Ecclestone and his inner circle couldn't care less about the fans—they’re on a fixed salary, so any issues regarding attendance fall entirely on the organizers. I worry we're stuck in this vicious cycle as long as places like Abu Dhabi, India, or Russia continue to fight for a spot on the calendar. As long as that happens, Formula 1 doesn't have to change its approach toward the fans or anything else, allowing them to keep imposing these somewhat idiotic rules and restrictions.
redridge26 redridge26 Newcomer
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#5 ·
BlackRock is right; we aren't going to sit through that garbage anymore.
Brenda Baker4 Brenda Baker4 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2007
#6 ·
redridge26 said:BlackRock is right; we aren't going to sit through that garbage anymore.

Don't go overdoing it just yet... we'll still end up watching it eventually... what else are you gonna do? 🙂
wearyraven41 wearyraven41 Active Member
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#7 ·
cutiee said:Man, I’d give anything just to catch one single look at ANY boxing match...

Look, McLaren actually ran a giveaway a couple of years back where the top prize was a full VIP experience—walking through the paddock, visiting the actual team garages, and all that good stuff during a Grand Prix weekend...
But you have to be one lucky soul out of several thousand people to actually land that shot.
shadowtinker29 shadowtinker29 MemberOP
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joined Mar 2003
#8 ·
cutiee said:I would give anything just to walk the track once and get an autograph from one of the drivers. Seriously, I think I might have a heart attack just thinking about it. 😬
Just to catch even a tiny glimpse of ANY pit box...

Well, come over to my place then! We can take a stroll through my backyard garden, and afterwards, I'll find somewhere for you to get signed...

Honestly, though—I’ve made so many ridiculous mistakes over the years that some of the rooms in my house practically look like pit boxes themselves...😁

PS...all joking aside, I'll jump in and reply to your comments tomorrow—I'm just running a bit short on time today...

PS2...I have to say, yesterday's NASCAR race finally washed away that bitter taste left behind by Los Angeles...that was an incredible race out of Atlanta

PS3...still haven't picked it up yet...😁
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#9 ·
It seems like you might be able to snag a "pitwalk" pass on Saturday before the first practice session—assuming you're willing to shell out the cash, of course. It really all comes down to how the organizers decide to play it...
Maria Hughes6 Maria Hughes6 Newcomer
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#10 ·
cutiee said:I would give anything just to walk the track once and get an autograph from one of the drivers. Honestly, just thinking about it gives me a heart attack 😬.

I actually have an extra Webber autograph if you want it 😁.
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#11 ·
Maria Hughes6 said:I actually have an extra Webber autograph if you want it 😁.


I actually have a wall clock signed by Webber. 😉
Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active Member
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#12 ·
there's no way he's moving forward now😁
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#13 ·
Bradley Nelson2 said:there's no way he's moving forward now😁


Well, hold onto your hats, folks 😁

I might just pack him up and take him with me on my trip to London, just so I can snag an autograph from Rosberg too—since they're both headed to the great racetrack in the sky, aren't they?
Maria Hughes6 Maria Hughes6 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Did you pick that up back when Webber was visiting Los Angeles?
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#15 ·
Maria Hughes6 said:Did you pick that up back when Webber was visiting Los Angeles?


Yeah, exactly.
stormyviper11 stormyviper11 Active Member
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#16 ·
The way Formula 1 treats its fans and the whole spectacle is easily its biggest failure. Honestly? It’s just garbage wrapped in shiny gold foil. If you look at the actual value people get for what they put in, it’s probably lower here than in almost any other sport, especially if you're actually paying to be at the track. We're looking at a massive bubble waiting to burst, and honestly, it might start popping as early as this season. Let's face it—Michael Schumacher's sheer charisma was carrying a lot of the weight when it comes to keeping viewership up and making this mediocre competition feel relevant over the last fifteen years or so. To me, the clearest sign of how much people actually care is the fact that back in 2005, Ford saw their sales tank in Spain. I mean, think about it... if even in a country gripped by Formula 1 mania, where the driver is literally winning the first championship ever for that nation, the manufacturer's car sales still plummet... then there is something fundamentally broken in the system...

I could probably spin this into my next column for autoblog.com, thanks for the prompt and for kicking this topic off.
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#17 ·
I think you might owe shadowtinker29 a little something for that one 😬😬😬
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
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#18 ·
It’s all true. I remember reading this massive critique about it—it was actually a comparison to NASCAR from a couple of seasons back, maybe at the start of last year in an American edition of a major racing mag. They absolutely tore the Formula 1 management apart regarding that whole issue, in that classic, blunt way 😁.

I mean, Bernie has known for years that their broadcasts are garbage. Honestly, I think we should just be grateful we have guys like Jergović, Blažičko, and Novak to keep us entertained 😬. All they’ve really done is timidly introduce something somewhat interesting, like team radio, only to cut it back so much that when it actually happens during a race, I feel like I’m losing my mind with joy. Then Kimi just says "OK" 😛 and the radio goes dead again.

The FIA changes the rules every single season. To me, it feels like they’re just messing with the fans, forcing us to wrap our heads around complicated—and usually pretty stupid—new regulations every year. And if they aren't bored enough, they change them right in the middle of the season. I mean, what other sport does that??

It isn't a coincidence that the most popular sports in the world are the ones where the rules almost never change, or if they do, it's minimal. It would be like if someone decided in football that a goal counts for two points instead of one, or if they suddenly got rid of offsides, or made penalty kicks from a weird angle or something. 😛

Years go by, and still nothing. Now they're talking about Bernie wanting a night race. Sure, it would probably be attractive, but let's be real: it's dangerous. When will we see it? Maybe in three seasons. If we're lucky.
Instead of firing everyone involved in the TV production and hiring actual directors who could make even a boring race look exciting, they should just finally commit to team radio. They could even ditch those damn starting lights and have some famous celebrity drop a handkerchief to start the race...

Et cetera, et cetera.

If you ask me, Bernie is basically just a huge risk-avoider and a coward. And he's old as the hills, literally.

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