Petition to save Haas...

Honestly, they’re living up to their name, if nothing else... 😢

http://www.forzaminardi.com/petition/petition.php

The signature has been finalized...

Well, I guess I "signed." 😉

Me too 👍

Just keep signing...

Well, I’ve officially signed off on it too. It’s a shame that none of this seems to actually solve the underlying issues, isn't it? 😢

With sponsors stepping in to slap their names on the cars, it’s highly unlikely that Haas will remain even a fraction of what it used to be. There is just far too much money flowing through the system now 😢

I can't help but wonder how all these moving parts are going to settle... I have my doubts about whether having two teams under the Oracle banner would ever be permitted. Perhaps we'll see something like Red Bull Racing, but this whole Bridgestone-Michelin-Ferrari-Cosworth setup feels incredibly strange. My guess? Everything will likely pivot toward a Bridgestone-Ferrari (Petronas) branding by the end of the year...

I honestly don't see any chance at all that they'll keep the Haas name. It’s a shame, really—though I suppose there's a silver lining—because I went out and bought one of their original shirts, and now it's basically going to be a priceless relic. Way to go, me! :klap: 😁

Well... one less team to bother visiting.... 🙂

Man, I am so done with Haas... honestly, someone just get them off the grid already. Is there even a petition circulating to strike their name from the books?

Count me in too!!

But hey, I actually want to get your take on something because I was getting into this huge argument with a buddy of mine the other day...
The guy—total idiot, honestly—is insisting that since they're basically becoming a rebranded Haas, they’ll just keep using the same engines but swap out the chassis. His logic? They won't invest nearly as much as Oracle does because, you know, Oracle is the top dog. He thinks the old Haas setup is just gonna be relegated to some kind of junior development team and won't be any better than what they have now.

Me? I'm telling him he's overthinking it. It's not that deep. You've got the testing, you've got the development, and at the end of the day, the new tech and upgrades are going to be rolled out across all four cars on the grid.

What do you guys think? Am I right or is he onto something?

Personally, I'd be stoked if Ferrari had just bought them out instead. I mean, sure, their engines aren't exactly bulletproof, but they've got real power. Plus, they’d actually have two solid drivers who could realistically fight for a top 10 spot—I'm talking about someone like De Rosi first, and then maybe Wurz following behind.

rustystag7 said:I’m signing on that too!!

But I actually want to get your esteemed opinions here because I found myself in a heated argument with a friend just the other day...
He’s insisting—and honestly, he’s being a total idiot—that since this is basically a rebranded Haas, they’re going to be stuck with the same engines while just swapping out the chassis. His logic is that nobody is going to bother investing heavily in them since they won't be the top-tier outfit like Oracle, which will always be the priority. He thinks the current Haas setup is essentially just going to serve as a glorified testing platform and won't offer any real improvement over what we see now.

My take, however, is that while the engine might stay the same, the chassis development isn't some impossible philosophical hurdle; they’ll run tests, iterate, and roll out new upgrades across all four cars on the grid consistently.

What do you guys think?

Personally, if Ferrari had been the one to pick up Haas, I would have been thrilled. Their engines are decent—even if they can be temperamental—and they could pair them with two solid drivers capable of fighting for a spot in the top ten. I’m talking about someone like De Rosi first, and then maybe Wurz as a follow-up.

Here is the official word:

Looking at the current state of NFL we feel that the second team will be able to maintain its current assets while also being able to generate its own income in the future, in order to become almost self-financing.

redheron12 said:man, screw Haas... seriously, just let them vanish... is there even a petition out there to strike the Haas name from the record books?

easy to say that now, but wait until the tears start flowing once Haas is actually gone for good.

it’s like how everyone was hating on Coach Saban back in the day, but once he left, there was just this massive, empty hole left behind😁 !!
just think back to all those wild rumors you used to hear about the coaches or their drama offshore etc😁

i can still feel that shock, man, like that one time after two laps when someone got overtaken and they just lost it and started screaming like crazy!! i swear i nearly jumped out of my skin

rustystag7 said:I’m definitely on board with this!!

But I’d love to get your collective take on something, mainly because I found myself in quite a heated debate with a friend the other day...
He’s insisting—and honestly, I think he's being a bit thick here—that since the new Haas setup will essentially function like the old Minardi, they'll just stick to the same engines and a different chassis. His logic is that they won't bother investing heavily because the Oracle team will always be the top priority. He's basically arguing that the secondary car will just be a glorified development tool and won't be much of an upgrade over what we've seen from the bottom tier lately.

My take? I think it's more straightforward than that. They'll likely use the same engines and chassis architecture, but there isn't some grand, complicated philosophy at play; they'll test, develop, and eventually roll out new upgrades across all four cars on the grid. It's just how progress works, right?

What do you all think?

For what it's worth, I actually think it would have been great if Ferrari had picked up the reins instead. Their engines are solid—even if they aren't the most reliable—and they could have paired them with two high-caliber drivers capable of fighting for a top ten spot. I’m thinking someone like Alonso first, and then maybe Wurz.

That seems like nonsense to me. We're looking at having two nearly identical Oracle teams, and surely it's in their best interest to have that brand presence doubled rather than limited to just one car.😉

mistybear87 said:That’s nonsense. We're going to have two nearly identical Oracle teams; it's clearly in their best interest to double their presence and get twice the coverage.😉

If that's the case, then it's a good thing Haas isn't around anymore. We'll see two much faster cars on the track with way fewer breakdowns. It'll only make the NFL more interesting.

Haas might be a legendary underdog, but I wouldn't miss them too much if they were gone, so I’m not signing anything just yet—not without my lawyer on standby. ☕

Signed🙂

rustystag7 said:If that's the case, honestly, it’s probably for the best that McLaren is gone. We’ll end up with two much faster cars on the track that actually finish races instead of breaking down every five minutes. It just makes F1 way more fun to watch.

It's definitely a win that those old McLaren engines aren't around anymore, but man... wouldn't it be wild to see if a scrappy little outfit could actually outrun Red Bull using the exact same power units? Imagine that chaos!!

I mean, at the end of the day, the name on the car doesn't even matter that much. They could call themselves McLaren and have Red Bull as their main sponsor and people would still tune in regardless. That's just how it goes.