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Participants Robert Ramos27Robert Evansslydrifter39mistypantherSteven RuizJacob Wilson50Maria BarnesMichelle Alvarez8Drew Sullivan79placidjackal97Ronald Castillo5Alex StewartJack Harris3Harold Baker88copperviper71Keith Miller3silentfalcon622Angela HillMichael Perez5
Maria Barnes Maria Barnes Active Member
105 messages
joined Dec 2005
#21 ·
Look, nickname, I think you’ve already gotten your answers.
The Boss said:nickname, give it a rest. Steven Ruiz has been on this forum forever and is always civil. Just because you can't control yourself doesn't mean you get to blame everyone else for it.

If Steven Ruiz banned you, believe me, there was a reason. You think otherwise? Then speak up. I see you've opened two different threads about the exact same thing—you have nine posts here and still haven't said anything meaningful. I'll try to answer you without knowing the specifics: anyone can get banned, even the most popular or model user, if they cross the line. Past good behavior doesn't grant immunity, which I assume is what happened here. A ban can be temporary; we aren't monsters and we believe people deserve second chances. Right now, you're just digging your own grave. One thread is a rhetorical question and the other is an appeal to the PM.
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Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
299 messages
joined Nov 2015
#22 ·
Drito Konj said:hahaha you must be a special kind of case if you're just some diaspora banana😁
damn👍

I'm with you on this one. 😁
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#23 ·
Michelle Alvarez8 said:I'm with you on this. 😁

Do you always have to stick your nose where it doesn't belong?
Drew Sullivan79 Drew Sullivan79 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Sep 2004
#24 ·
Maria Barnes said:I'll try to answer you without knowing the specific issue—even the most charismatic, model user can get banned if they cross the line of what’s acceptable on this forum. Past behavior doesn't necessarily carry any weight here, which I assume was your situation. 👋

You're contradicting yourself right there, Maria Barnes. In your post, you quoted someone saying Steven Ruiz is basically an old timer around here, and then you turn around and claim past history doesn't matter. It either matters or it doesn't.

What even counts as "crossing the line" anymore? Is it being a mindless sheep who nods along to every single post, or is it actually having an opinion and standing your ground?
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#25 ·
Maria Barnes said:Hey Robert Ramos27—I think you finally got the answers you were looking for.

Hey Maria Barnes — I haven't actually gotten any answers yet—mostly because I didn't even get a chance to ask my questions.
I opened this thread because I was waiting on you—honestly, I didn't even want to bother debating this with those other folks since they couldn't give me a straight answer when I asked them over on the Diaspora boards.

If Steven Ruiz banned you, I’m betting there was a legitimate reason behind it—but hey, if you truly feel like it was uncalled for, feel free to speak up. I noticed you’ve actually started two separate threads on this exact same topic, and even after nine posts in this one, you still haven't really made a point.


Yeah, you caught me—I did leave nine posts behind—but did you notice that the whole thread was actually aimed at you? It’s funny how people start chiming in even when I didn't reach out to them specifically... and those nine posts weren't just me having a one-sided conversation with myself. 😉
Look, I honestly don't see a single valid reason for my temporary ban—seriously. Every time Steven Ruiz hands me one, it’s just because we don't see eye to eye... and if disagreeing is enough to get tossed out, then you guys are a long way from being a true democracy.

Two people have already been banned here—how is it even possible to get kicked off the Diaspora forums like that? And why aren't you asking questions or actually looking into why—instead of just indirectly attacking me and assuming I must have deserved my ban without checking the facts first?

I’ll try to give you an answer without knowing the specific issue—but look, even the most charismatic, model users can get banned if they cross the line of what's acceptable here. Your past track record doesn't really matter in those cases—which, I'm guessing, is exactly what happened to you.


I appreciate the effort—but I feel like I’m being targeted by your forum rules here... and as far as I can tell (please correct me if I'm wrong on this one)—moderators are supposed to maintain order—which means setting the standard for how people should act, right? If a moderator is out there insulting and belittling guests just because they disagree on an opinion—is that really what you consider good moderation?
I can't speak for the rest of the moderation team—I'm just talking about Steven Ruiz.

Look, you have to understand—I haven't exactly been an active presence on these forums since yesterday. And honestly? Getting banned just for having a different opinion... that’s only happened to me on two sites so far. One was a hyper-nationalist board, and the other was likely one you're familiar with—the American-Americans site.
I think I've made my point clear enough—pretty much covered everything there is to say.

Look, I don't have anything against you guys running things this way—if that's how you choose to moderate your own space, I'll respect the rules since I'm a guest here. But—and this is just a suggestion—you might want to update those terms and conditions I clicked "agree" on during sign-up. They seem a bit incomplete. You should probably add a clause stating that moderators have the authority to issue bans, insult or belittle anyone with a different opinion, and lock threads just to prove who's really in charge.

I’d honestly suggest getting rid of this complaints subforum—it’s kind of pointless when there isn't even anyone here to actually listen to them, right?

A ban doesn't have to be forever—we’re pretty big-hearted people here, and we truly believe everyone deserves a second chance. Right now, though, you're just digging your own hole—one of your threads is nothing but rhetorical questions, and the other is aimed directly at the PM.
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I feel like I’ve been working against my own interests ever since I joined this forum. I started a thread over in the diaspora section about traditional customs—just some heritage stuff—and then I saw how your moderator handles things.

Look, what I’m suggesting is that you take a look at the situation, and I’ll help you out—but only if you actually intend to be fair with your rulings.
If you're willing to do that—then I'll send over the links showing exactly where the moderator is breaking the rules, and then I'll be the one asking for her to get a week-long "cool down" period. Because at the end of the day, fair is fair...
But if you aren't interested in that—then I don't want to waste my time, or yours either...

In that case, just lock this topic and we can move on like we usually do.
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
156 messages
joined Sep 2004
#26 ·
Robert Ramos27, you didn't get banned just because we had a difference of opinion, because honestly, if that were the case, half the people posting on the American-American forums would be gone by now... 🙄
You got banned because of the insults, the swearing, and the way you talk down to other users, among other things...
If I’m getting private messages every single day from various members of the diaspora asking me to push for your ban, then maybe it's time to stop looking at what I'm doing wrong and start reflecting on your own behavior...
Not to mention the fact that you have half of the American community on your ignore list...
Stop playing the victim and whining about it. I've already told you, if you can't take it, don't dish it out. It would be much better for you to actually work on how you communicate with others instead of acting like a total martyr...
placidjackal97 placidjackal97 Active Member
135 messages
joined May 2003
#27 ·
I don't recall anyone ever actually complaining about Steven Ruiz over on the diaspora forums.

If you've got any sense, you'll see why. 😉
Drew Sullivan79 Drew Sullivan79 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Sep 2004
#28 ·
Steven Ruiz said::
You got banned for insulting people, swearing, being condescending, and basically acting like a jerk to other users.

I’m gonna address this specific part. It’s nothing but double standards here—it all depends on who’s doing the swearing or the insulting. Apparently, thinking for yourself is a crime in the American diaspora. If you’re just a mindless sheep nodding along, you’re fine. But the second you have an actual opinion? Suddenly, it’s hunting season. I can talk trash and swear all day if I’m one of "them," and nobody cares. But anyone else is considered a threat to the "peace" of the forum. I’ve been told to "shut up" and even had people tell me to "pipe down," and what happened? Absolutely nothing.
I didn't slide into the PMs to cry to the mods or beg for a ban. I have my own way of hitting back.
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
156 messages
joined Sep 2004
#29 ·
"Talking trash" and "being a jerk" just aren't in the same league as someone who systematically insults the entire American diaspora and tries to drag everyone into a three-way fight... or, you know, stirring up nationalistic hatred and all that mess...
I don't really feel like digging through every single one of nickname's outbursts right now, but thank God there are plenty of them archived if I ever needed to find them...
So, look, even though we disagree on just about everything, you don't qualify for a ban by any stretch of the imagination, whereas nickname definitely does, simply because her whole approach is different. Plus, the fact that placidjackal97 told you once to stop talking nonsense hardly qualifies as grounds for a ban...
In the future, if something actually bothers you, please feel free to report the post so I can give her a warning. If placidjackal97 starts systematically insulting you (which I honestly doubt would happen), then I’ll hand out a ban...😉
It's funny how nickname didn't seem to notice when I stepped in and warned bad company when he started being nasty toward her. So, playing the innocent victim is exactly what she's doing, just like I said before, and I think you know that too...😉
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#30 ·
Steven Ruiz says:
Robert Ramos27—you didn't get banned just because you had a different opinion—it would be way too easy to ban half the people who show up here in the US. 🙄
You've been banned—mostly because of the insults, the swearing, and that condescending attitude toward other members.

No, honey—really... I only got banned because I had to stand up for myself against ALL of you. The moderator actually jumped right in to help humiliate and insult me just because I held a different opinion.
If you had just stepped up and set some ground rules right from the start—you know, actually moderating—I wouldn't have ended up swearing like this. You get what I'm saying now?
You were always such a green light to me—honestly... because if a moderator can sink to that level of conversation, what’s even the point in me staying?

I don't just go around attacking people for no reason...—honestly, just read my signature.
If I was hard on anyone—well, they probably earned it—especially since the moderator decided to just look the other way when they were being disrespectful.

Show me every single post where I’ve insulted someone—then I'll show you that old thread where I was called out and attacked first—and you can tell me if you decided to just look the other way or actually jump in with them.

If I’m getting constant private messages from all sorts of users—basically just endless diaspora appeals to get someone banned—then maybe it’s time to stop looking at what I’m doing wrong and start asking what you're doing that's causing all this trouble.


Which ones are we talking about? FFE? Is that that well-known provocateur you teamed up with to judge the guests?
Look—I don't get involved in that kind of petty drama—you haven't received a single private message from me about being insulted by anyone, not even from you... because I just don't believe in all that behind-the-scenes maneuvering.

You’re abusing your moderator status, dear Steven Ruiz — and I'm definitely not the only one who's noticed. A few people here have already pointed out how you're handing out bans just because they don't see eye to eye with you...
Hellkin is calling me some frustrated, bitter old woman—all because I actually believe it matters to know where you come from.
His post just sat there for weeks—until I finally went looking for the owner to get it deleted...
Where's the ban for being so rude? — You’re actually agreeing with Hellkin in the same thread, too. Where's the justice, Steven Ruiz?

Not to mention—you’ve basically got half of the diaspora on "ignore" at this point.


Thank God—they actually have that option available.
If people don't like my take—well, they can just look the other way.
I'm not planning on changing my mind just to please anyone here—or to satisfy the crowd—not one bit.

Stop playing the victim and whining—seriously. I’ve already told you, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You'd be much better off actually working on how you talk to people instead of acting like some wounded lamb.


Here’s an example...
Instead of actually fixing the issue—we’re just sitting here taking hits—it feels more like we're just being humiliated.
Don't expect any sacrifices from me—and when I finally make my exit, I'm going out with a bang. 🙂 Just something to keep in mind. 😁

This doesn't even concern you and me anymore—Steven Ruiz—you actually had the chance to talk this out with me over in the diaspora forum where I started the thread, but you decided to just lock it down instead... which basically means the boss has already made her call.

So, right now—it’s really just between me and Maria Barnes.
Drew Sullivan79 Drew Sullivan79 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Sep 2004
#31 ·
Steven Ruiz said:"So, even though we don't see eye to eye on much, you don't qualify for a ban by any stretch of the imagination, yet nickname can. It's just a different way of handling things. Plus, the fact that placidjackal97 told you once to stop talking nonsense hardly qualifies as grounds for a ban.
In the future, if it bothers you, feel free to report my post and I'll give her a warning. If placidjackal97 starts systematically insulting you (which I doubt), I'll hand out a ban too. 😉
It's funny how nickname didn't notice that I warned bad company when he started talking trash about her. So, playing the innocent victim—exactly like I said. And you know it too.😉

You won't live to see the day I actually ask to ban someone. I'm fundamentally against banning anyone.

I only brought up those examples to show there's another way to deal with insults. Besides, you admitted yourself that nickname has half the American forum users on ignore. So what's the actual problem?
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#32 ·
Steven Ruiz said:"Don't give me that" and "messing around" aren't really in the same league as constantly and systematically sending the entire diaspora to hell—not to mention the general insults. Then there's the whole thing about attacking other nationalities and stirring up national hatred and stuff like that..."
I don't feel like digging through every single one of nickname's outbursts right now—but thank God there are plenty of them saved.


Well... I'm going to need proof for this one—do you actually want to look for it, or not?
It was because of lies like these that I even came here and started this thread...

Now, please—show me where I am "constantly and systematically" sending the whole diaspora to hell.
As far as I can recall—I told you all to go jump in a lake exactly once, and that was only after a group attack on me (which you were part of) just because I said I liked folk dancing.

So, who's actually losing it here?

Come on, Steven Ruiz—don't be a coward—this is literally part of your job...
Post the links.
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
156 messages
joined Sep 2004
#33 ·
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Come on, just show me where exactly you were insulted first...
You also spent all this time hunting down Vilk all over the forum, calling him a total extremist and whatever else, acting like you're the smartest person in the room here. You claimed you had proof...
So, where is it?
It’s probably in the same imaginary place as those "proofs" you have regarding people insulting you...
And look, calling someone a "sacrificial lamb" isn't quite the same thing as telling them to go jump in a lake and calling them a sheep...
Exactly, I insulted you exactly ONCE (and I was upfront about it in that very same post) because after the kind of language you spewed in that one thread, you didn't deserve anything less...
It wasn't just FFE calling for your ban, either; people like Kaskader, bad company, Distant Coast, and plenty of others joined in too...
Some did it right out in the open, while others just sent private messages...
Those posts are still up on the Diaspora forums if you want to go read them, though it’s not as if you haven't already forgotten...
And let me say it again, you didn't get banned just because we disagree. If that's a hard concept for you to wrap your head around, then well, that's just how it is...
And who on earth told you that I hand out bans to anyone who thinks differently than me?
Please, don't make things up, you were actually the very first person to receive a ban from me...
And it was only TEMPORARY...
Also, where did Hellkin supposedly call you an idiot?
If he did, that's not okay, but honestly, I didn't see it happen. I'm not glued to this forum 24/7...
Otherwise, I would have warned him and deleted it, just like I warned bad company when they wrote something similar to you...
Though, truth be told... you insult and patronize others so much that I find it pretty hilarious whenever you cry about being insulted...
P.S.
This definitely applies to me...
Or do you think you can just forbid dialogue around here?
If it's just between you and Maria Barnes, use the PM feature. Otherwise, it's a free-for-all... 👋
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
156 messages
joined Sep 2004
#34 ·
Drew Sullivan79 said:You aren't going to see the day where I'm actually asking to have someone banned, because fundamentally, I'm against banning people altogether.

I only brought up those examples to show that there are plenty of other ways to handle insults, and besides, you mentioned yourself that nickname has half the people in the diaspora on their ignore list anyway, so I don't really see what the big deal is...

This might actually surprise you, but I’m pretty much against bans too, in principle! The reason nickname didn't get banned wasn't because everyone was begging for it, but rather because I personally decided she just needed a little "cooling off" period for about a week...
It's true that since she registered as Robert Ramos27, she hasn't been quite as jealous, so there isn't really a reason for another ban right now, though you definitely remember how she used to act before, with all that arguing and the way she used to lash out at people...
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
299 messages
joined Nov 2015
#35 ·
Robert Ramos27 said:Do you always have to stick your nose in everyone else's business?

Oh, just their nose... they've got the tongue and the fingers in there too—kind of like this -> 🙂
placidjackal97 said:I don't recall anyone ever complaining about Steven Ruiz on the forum.

If you're smart, you get the point. 😉

Ugh, if it were me, I'd just cover her in chocolate and lick her clean... 🙂
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#36 ·
Steven Ruiz said:🙄 🙄
Come on—show me exactly where I supposedly wronged you first.

No, no, no, no, no... we aren't doing this, Steven.

You stated quite clearly that I am systematically and constantly sending forum users to the diaspora appeal at 3 p.m....

So, please—moderator—post those threads where I’m "systematically and constantly" doing that at 3....
I don't think you'll have any trouble finding them—since you said yourself everything is archived....

Once you've done that—then we can move forward...

Go ahead... I'll be right here waiting for the proof.
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
156 messages
joined Sep 2004
#37 ·
Wait, weren't you the very first one to claim you had proof of people being abusive toward you, yet all I see is you just reacting to their insults?
Well, go ahead then, show me...
And while you're at it, why don't you just drop those "proofs" regarding where Ante Pavelić is hiding right now. 🙄
I'm sitting here waiting too...😉
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
299 messages
joined Nov 2015
#38 ·
I'll always stand up for what's right—even if I have to do it all by myself.
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#39 ·
Steven Ruiz said:This might come as a surprise—but I’m actually against banning people in principle. Robert Ramos27 didn't get banned just because everyone was begging for it; I made the call myself—it felt like she needed about a week of "cooling off" time.
It's true—ever since she signed up as Robert Ramos27, she hasn't been nearly as petty, so there isn't much reason to ban her (for now)—but you know how she used to be, all that constant insults and calling people out.


still waiting on those proofs....

Robert Ramos27 is exactly the same as the old versions... I haven't gone under the knife or anything, Steven Ruiz....
I haven't changed since the day I was born—well, maybe depending on who I'm hanging out with...
That's just me—who I am...

come on—don't make me wait all day... I've got things to do too.
Robert Ramos27 Robert Ramos27 MemberOP
23 messages
joined Dec 2003
#40 ·
Steven Ruiz said:Wait, weren't you the one claiming you had proof of people disrespecting you—but honestly, it looks like you're just reacting to their insults?
Alright then, let's see it...
And while we're at it, why don't you show me where Adolf Hitler is hiding. 🙄
I'm waiting. 😉


I'll say it again—this was a conversation between me and Anderson...
so please, don't jump in—you're the one who decided to shut down the topic right when I was trying to actually fix things...

Now you've thrown out this new accusation... and I'm asking for the receipts.

Still waiting.
Come on—hurry up.

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