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The FIA's ruling on Ralf

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Participants Aquietpanther9Jack Ward2Carl Foster8Jack Kelly5nimbletiger68Betty MurphyDonna Nelson23Dennis Baker34neoneagle35Terry Carter2Nancy Cookslycrane94Elizabeth Hughesmistybear87
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#1 ·
The legal challenge brought forward by Ralf Schumacher and his Williams team wrapped up this morning at The Supreme Court in Washington D.C.

Andrew Hunter—representing the team during the proceedings—argued that Ralf Schumacher simply couldn't see Kimi Raikkonen, who was positioned all the way on the left side of the track right next to Rubens Barrichello. Because of that blind spot, Schumacher assumed Barrichello was the only driver trying to make a move on that side of the circuit.

Hunter also commented that Schumacher did not take any dangerous or unusual lines into the corner and, in fact, gave the only driver within his sightline plenty of room to move while shifting his car toward the left to defend his position.

Based on the evidence provided by Hunter, the argument is that Ralf Schumacher wasn't actually in a position to stop the collision from happening—rather, it was the drivers following closely behind [specifically Kimi Raikkonen and Rubens Barrichello] who could have avoided it.

Williams’ Sam Michael backed up Hunter’s points, presenting a variety of evidence including video clips, technical graphics, and computer-generated animations.

On the other hand, FIA delegate Charlie Whiting told the court that Schumacher had admitted he wasn't paying close enough attention to the cars around him, making the crash an avoidable mistake.

Team-boss Frank Williams, Rubens Barrichello, Kimi Raikkonen and Willi Weber also attended the hearing, which was broadcast live on the American Television station, ABC.

We should hear the final decision on the appeal tomorrow.
aris.

It would honestly be ridiculous to disqualify Ralf when it was just a "racing incident." I don't even get why they're debating this at all.
quietpanther9 quietpanther9 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Ralf was in the wrong, sure, but he screwed everyone else over just as much as he screwed himself. By causing that wreck, he basically threw away any shot he had at winning the championship. Honestly, losing that chance is punishment enough for me.
Jack Ward2 Jack Ward2 Member
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#3 ·
I’m not so sure if we can pin all the blame on Ralph. It’s a bit of a toss-up... Sure, he made a pretty silly move and it felt a little dirty, but there was just no way for him to see Kim coming from the other side. If anything, Ruben is the one who really dropped the ball here.
Carl Foster8 Carl Foster8 Active Member
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#4 ·
I honestly don't even know what we're talking about here... In that crash, the blame lies with everyone involved, and Elizabeth Hughes, I'm sorry, but if it had been an older brother instead, they wouldn't just skip the penalty—they’d probably halt the whole race and wait for him to hop into a backup car. 🙂
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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#5 ·
Carl Foster8 said:Honestly, Elizabeth Hughes, if this had been an older brother involved, I bet they wouldn't have even handed out a penalty. They probably would've just red-flagged the whole thing and let him wait around until he could jump into a different car... 🙂


Exactly. And we've already seen that exact kind of drama play out back in 2001...
nimbletiger68 nimbletiger68 Newcomer
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#6 ·
Losing the points is enough of a penalty for him. He basically wrecked Kimi and Ruben, who probably would’ve snatched those points too, but hey, that's just speculation. It's not like he did it on purpose—he was just driving his line, clipped a Ferrari wheel, then the McLaren driver hit him, and everything went to hell. That's just racing for you, I guess.
Man, if my older brother had been involved in that, now that would've been a show.
Betty Murphy Betty Murphy Active Member
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#7 ·
I agree, it seems incredibly harsh to penalize anyone after an accident like that!
I heard he was hit with a $50,000 fine! Poor guy, that’s enough to put a real dent in his budget. My suggestion? Let's all chip in for Ralph and send the funds directly to one of his beach houses in Malibu!😁
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#8 ·
Not only was his penalty reduced to just a fine, but it looks like they might actually re-examine the liability of the other two involved in the crash. It’ll be interesting to see how this whole mess plays out.
Dennis Baker34 Dennis Baker34 Active Member
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#9 ·
From what I’ve gathered, the guy only switched lanes once—and honestly, since when is it against the rules to move over when someone's trying to pass you? Even if he did mess up, he’s definitely not the only one at fault here!
neoneagle35 neoneagle35 Member
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#10 ·
It won’t be long before they start handing out penalties for speeding. Or perhaps they won't, given how much they've grown complacent—they might actually be afraid of the drivers pushing the limits too hard.
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
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#11 ·
For heaven's sake, pull yourselves together and just admit it: Ralph is the one at fault here, and there's no arguing the point anymore!
He’s just as responsible as anyone else would be if they were standing in those exact shoes.

😁
Nancy Cook Nancy Cook Newcomer
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#12 ·
Maybe those bastards should actually agree on some uniform standards first. If we're going to hand out penalties, then let's just penalize everyone across the board! It shouldn't be about whatever convenient excuse they feel like pushing or some nonsense about air pressure 👎
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#13 ·
Look at the facts—how can anyone actually be blamed here? They all just crowded the space at once. Maybe Kim was the biggest offender, but honestly, he was clearly trying to push his luck too.
Betty Murphy Betty Murphy Active Member
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#14 ·
slycrane94 said:Look, it’s a mess, and I don't see how anyone can take the blame here. They all just collided at once. Maybe Kim was the main one involved, but honestly, even he was just trying to make an aggressive move.

Whoa!!!😠
🙂Leave Kim alone!!😠
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#15 ·
Angel said:Hey!!!😠
🙂Leave Kim alone!!😠

Look, he’s the only one who really stepped up when things got messy. I’m not saying he’s to blame, but if anyone is, it’s him. Isn't that just how it works?
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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slycrane94 said:Look, he’s the only one really stepping up to take the heat here. I’m not saying he’s definitely the guilty party, but if anyone is, it’s him.

I can't say I agree with that... if there's anyone actually responsible for this mess, it's Ralph. Just watch the footage from the start of that race and tell me I'm wrong.
Nancy Cook Nancy Cook Newcomer
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#17 ·
What’s his deal, really? Is it because he's trying to muscle his way into more spots, maybe just because things got crowded, or does he think it adds some kind of thrill to the race?
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#18 ·
Nancy Cook said:What’s the excuse here? Is it because they’re desperate to climb the standings, or was the track just too crowded, or maybe someone thinks adding chaos makes the race more exciting?

There’s excitement in watching a driver lose control on their own, sure, but taking out two other cars just to make a point isn't racing—it's just being reckless.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#19 ·
Elizabeth Hughes says Montezemolo:
I disagree... if anyone's actually to blame here, it’s Ralph. Just watch the replay of that start.

How was he supposed to know those two were going to pile up there? Standard driving rules dictate the person behind has to stay alert, not just the guy in front.

Kim couldn't have seen a thing because Ferrari was blocking his line.
Betty Murphy Betty Murphy Active Member
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#20 ·
AxMi-24 said:How could he possibly have known they were both wedged in there? Standard driving rules dictate that the driver behind is always responsible for keeping watch, not just the one leading the way.

Kim couldn't have seen anything because his Ferrari was blocking his line of sight.

True, though I suppose he didn't see Ruben either since those other 18 cars were probably cluttering up his field of vision! 😛 While it's true the trailing driver needs to be cautious, the car in front can't just slam on the brakes when a pack is chasing them. Similarly, Ralph shouldn't have jerked so sharply to the side; it put everyone at risk.

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