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Organ donation after death: thoughts and experiences?

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boldeagle3 boldeagle3 Active Member
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#61 ·
swiftowl10 said:Hey, where do I actually get one of those donor cards? I’ve told my entire inner circle—my boyfriend, my friends, even my elderly relatives—that if anything happens to me, they should absolutely take whatever they need from my organs... but I'm not sure if verbal wishes are enough, or if I actually need to be officially registered on a card or something...
Personally, I couldn't care less what happens to my physical remains once I'm gone... but if I am going to kick the bucket, I might as well make it useful for someone else... though, truthfully, I'd prefer to help out through other means if there were any way to do so.

Send me a private message about this...
I actually tried to reach out to you, but naturally, your inbox is completely slammed.😁
A Anonymous Veteran
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#62 ·
Honestly, I don't care what happens to my body once I'm gone... but if I'm actually going out,


Read this again;

Think about it: say there's a bad car wreck and they find someone on the brink of death whose organs would be a perfect match for some wealthy patient at the top of a waiting list. In those cases, they won't even bother trying to save them; instead, they just call the transplant recipient immediately, prep the OR, get everything ready, let the poor soul (the donor) pass away, and then the transplant can start as soon as the cash clears.

Organ donation is a noble cause, but we need better regulations and actual oversight in place.
Drew Mitchell55 Drew Mitchell55 Member
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#63 ·
Joseph Jones85 said:There’s this dark rumor floating around—that beyond the official organ transplant waiting lists, there are these "shadow" lists running in the background. Apparently, certain surgeons are pocketing tens of thousands of dollars in cash, straight into their own pockets, to jump someone to the front of the line. Imagine this: if someone is brought into an ER after a massive car accident, barely clinging to life, and their organs happen to be a perfect match for a wealthy patient ready to pay for priority? Instead of actually trying to save the victim, they just pick up the phone, call the paying patient, prep them for surgery, slide a thick envelope of cash into a drawer, let the poor donor pass away, and then start the transplant for cold, hard cash.

That is exactly why I decided against ever signing an organ donor card... and honestly, I would advise everyone else to do the same. Don't get me wrong—the concept itself is noble, and I am all for the idea of giving everything I have once I'm gone—but I refuse to go out that way. I just can't bring myself to trust those doctors... so, I made it very clear to my family that while I want to give my all, I won't do it under those circumstances.
Roger Cox10 Roger Cox10 Member
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#64 ·
Drew Young10 said:I’m not sure if this has been brought up before, but here goes. I’ve had my donor card for two years now—I’m all for this noble stuff that saves lives—but I read somewhere that donor numbers in America aren't exactly high. It makes me wonder if people just talk a big game, only to look the other way when it actually matters.
What’s the general consensus on this?

You’ve posted this before... maybe try searching the archives. 🙂

If you can't find it, I'll give you my take—I wouldn't donate an organ.
Drew Mitchell55 Drew Mitchell55 Member
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#65 ·
Roger Cox10 said:If it were me—and I mean truly, personally—I wouldn’t be donating an organ.

skrtico 😛 😁
Gary Sanchez Gary Sanchez Active MemberOP
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#66 ·
Look, I’m all for organ donation, BUT only if there are actual safeguards in place

...but honestly, after everything I’ve heard and read lately, even here in the States... it’s a lot. There was actually a thread about this a long, long time ago...
I’ve been doing some thinking
...at the end of the day, I want to keep living, not have my organs stripped while I'm barely hanging on

...I still have that blank donor card sitting there, and I just can't bring myself to fill it out
...more specifically, I just don't have the guts to sign it after everything I know now...

😢
A Anonymous Veteran
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#67 ·
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Gerald Hill2 Gerald Hill2 Member
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#68 ·
I guess people just don't want to believe conspiracies can actually happen.
But they can. Honestly.
People tend to look the other way, especially if they’re the kind of folks willing to donate their own organs to help others. They can't wrap their heads around the idea that some people might just let them die—maybe even ensure it happens—just because someone else is paying top dollar for an organ. Like, someone needs a kidney, and someone else has the cash. It's dark, I know.

There was this massive scandal over in Mexico involving child theft that dragged on for years.
It was heartbreaking; parents would lose their children, and those kids were essentially being handed over to whoever had the money.

Maybe it's easier to steal an organ from someone already in the hospital—someone labeled as "unhealthy" or someone who's already in a bad spot—than it is to snatch a perfectly healthy baby.
When there's an accident or a sudden illness, things "complicating" during treatment doesn't seem as suspicious to most people.

Back then, there were several websites dedicated to this, though they all struggled since nobody wanted to host that kind of content on their servers.
There were even reports coming out of Boston about families losing babies under really suspicious circumstances—babies born perfectly healthy who suddenly passed away just days later, often without death certificates being issued or any chance for the parents to even hold their child one last time.
I can't find all the old sites anymore, but I did manage to track down one. It might be worth a look, I suppose.

http://kradjabeba.tk/
Gerald Hill2 Gerald Hill2 Member
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#69 ·
Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath, which is supposed to be their moral compass.
But I guess what happens when a doctor is offered enough money that they just stop caring about doing the right thing? 😉
Roger Cox10 Roger Cox10 Member
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#70 ·
Gerald Hill2 said:I want them to take everything they can from me—really. But I don't have a card, and I don't plan on getting one.

Then how exactly do you plan on paying? 😕
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#71 ·
They don't need anyone's permission, family connections, or even a special ID card to take everything they can grab. At least, not according to the laws we have on the books here...
boldsailor32 boldsailor32 Active Member
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#72 ·
PSYCHOLOGICAL APPROACH TO FAMILY COMMUNICATION DURING ORGAN DONATION

L.

In the United States, according to legal statutes, organs from deceased individuals may be used for transplantation if the person did not express opposition during their lifetime. This is known as presumed consent (an "opt-out" system). Transplant teams recommend approaching the family of the deceased to inform them that an extraction will occur for the benefit of other patients.

Verbal consent from the family should only be sought after they have been informed of the patient's irreversible condition and confirmed brain death. All questions must be answered with absolute honesty. The conversation should be held with the most private member of the family. The number of participants in the discussion should be kept to a minimum. Verbal confirmation is obtained from the following individuals (in order of priority):

- Spouse

- Adult son/daughter

- Father or mother

- Brother/sister

- Guardian

- Any other person authorized to handle the deceased's remains.

It is vital to obtain their address and phone number beforehand, along with information regarding their occupation and education level. The family must be approached with extreme seriousness, understanding, and compassion. Using carefully selected and appropriate language, explain the situation, stating clearly that the patient is dead and that machines are merely maintaining blood flow through the body. Furthermore, emphasize how the patient's death can save multiple lives, highlighting the humanity, necessity, and righteousness of the procedure. Under no circumstances should the family be pressured, nor should any disappointment be shown if they explicitly refuse the procedure.

LI.

This directive takes effect on the date of publication in The Washington Post.

Class: 011-01/97-01/100
Ref No: 534-04-02-03-98
Chicago, May 5, 1998.

Minister
Prof. Dr. Andrew Hebrang, signed


So, if you didn't put it in writing while you were alive, you automatically become a donor upon brain death:
In the United States, according to legal statutes, organs from deceased individuals may be used for transplantation if the person did not express opposition during their lifetime. This is known as presumed consent (an "opt-out" system).


As for the family, it is recommended to ask for verbal consent (though it isn't legally required anywhere), because by law, even written consent isn't necessary. There is no requirement for written family approval prior to organ extraction!

Verbal consent from the family should only be sought after they have been informed of the patient's irreversible condition and confirmed brain death.


Ultimately, this means anyone who hasn't filed a written objection during their life is automatically an organ donor. Written family consent isn't even required; asking for verbal consent is just a suggestion. There is no requirement for a formal record of this—it all rests on the oral testimony of the physician contacting the family. This is done purely to mislead the public.

V.
Roger Cox10 Roger Cox10 Member
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#73 ·
boldsailor32 said:So, if you haven't explicitly stated otherwise during your lifetime, you're basically an automatic brain death donor.

Not quite—if that’s actually how it works, I’ll just make sure to file a formal opt-out with a notary public.
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#74 ·
And he’s constantly lugging that notarized statement around everywhere he goes...😁
Roger Cox10 Roger Cox10 Member
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#75 ·
Casey Palmer5 said:I always carry that certified statement with me 😁

Heh—I don't necessarily need to carry it around, but I guess it's good to have at home just in case some psychos decide they want my organs... 😲
A Anonymous Veteran
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#76 ·
Organ donation... it’s one of those heavy life decisions you have to make for yourself, regardless of where you stand on the issue.
I used to never give it much thought; honestly, the whole topic just felt a bit too morbid 😲
Then I met someone who actually needs a transplant, and it changed my perspective. Donation? Sure, I get it—but only if there's an absolute certainty that the donor has passed away. But, 😁, things aren't always that black and white. There's enough gray area for me to feel uneasy, which is why I think it's better to just not carry a donor card.
And if I were ever the one needing an organ? I wouldn't want it. I'd turn it down, no question. I couldn't live with myself thinking someone might have been allowed to die just so I could get what I need. Plus, I couldn't bear waking up every day hoping for someone else's tragedy just so I could keep living a normal life.

Transplantation? For me, it's a NO.

But hey, that's just my personal take.
Edward Green Edward Green Regular
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#77 ·
What if you had a sick kid? What if your child needed a transplant just to stay alive?
A Anonymous Veteran
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#78 ·
Gerald Hill2 said:What if it were your own child? What if they needed a transplant just to survive?

Look, I explicitly said PERSONAL, meaning my personal perspective right now—how I actually think and who I am today.
I don't have kids, so it’s not something I lose sleep over. That's why I made it clear this is a PERSONAL choice.
Drew Young10 Drew Young10 Member
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#79 ·
So, I’m reading through this thread and I’m starting to think I’m actually the only one here who even carries a donor card! Seriously, have some shame, you people and your pathetic excuses.👎
Larry Cruz51 Larry Cruz51 Active Member
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#80 ·
I don't have a donor card myself either. I never actually went through the process... even though my immediate family knows I have no issue with donating my organs after I pass... they'll just go to waste anyway...

And why haven't I signed up for a donor card? Honestly, it's probably because I'm just too lazy to trek down to some office to get it done...

By the way, where does one actually go to set that up?

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