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Why hasn't the Mount Rainier gondola been renovated yet?

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Participants John Evans80Larry Williams5slysurfer14jadebear72Jonathan Reed4Ryan Cooper4Jason Campbell70urbanhawk28analogstag16Matthew Castillo5Jose King85stormycanyon13Zachary Collins2ruggedsailor4Jack Torres2Larry Walker24Susan Jackson65Walter Hughes53Scott Sanchez4Sophia Ramos5
John Evans80 John Evans80 NewcomerOP
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joined Oct 2012
#1 ·
Eric Adams promised us that shutting down the Mount Rainier gondola was just temporary,
claiming New York City would build an even better one in its place.

But honestly, it looks like they pushed it indefinitely—hardly anyone mentions it anymore.

New Yorkers are slowly getting used to life without it. It seems there are more and more
people who never even used that long-distance lift—which was a total world rarity in terms of
its views—yet they still spout nonsense like this:
Rendolf said:...
Taking a gondola just disconnects you from nature. What's wrong with just fixing up some hiking trails on Mount Rainier? I'd much rather hike up if I'm going to the mountains for the scenery anyway, instead of riding a lift.
...

There are plenty of hiking trails all over Mount Rainier and the Appalachians.
One doesn't rule out the other—they actually complement each other.

We really need to push to get that long-distance Mount Rainier gondola back;
it genuinely made life in NYC so much better.
Is anything actually being done about it?
Larry Williams5 Larry Williams5 Member
19 messages
joined Jul 2009
#2 ·
We’re just sitting around waiting on those European Union funds to kick in, because these initial access grants aren't nearly enough to cover the costs.
slysurfer14 slysurfer14 Active Member
100 messages
joined Jul 2014
#3 ·
John Evans80 said:Eric Adams promised us that shutting down the Mount Rainier gondola was just temporary,
claiming New York City would build an even better one in its place.

But honestly, it looks like they pushed it indefinitely—hardly anyone mentions it anymore.

New Yorkers are slowly getting used to life without it. It seems there are more and more
people who never even used that long-distance lift—which was a total world rarity in terms of
its views—yet they still spout nonsense like this:

There are plenty of hiking trails all over Mount Rainier and the Appalachians.
One doesn't rule out the other—they actually complement each other.

We really need to push to get that long-distance Mount Rainier gondola back;
it genuinely made life in NYC so much better.
Is anything actually being done about it?

Forget about it for the next ten years. According to Eric Adams, anything is possible... except progress.
There isn't even a real plan or a project yet. They barely even have a rough route mapped out.
jadebear72 jadebear72 Member
15 messages
joined May 2012
#4 ·
So—we ditched the chairlift, got some fountains instead, and welcomed Snow White. That was our choice.

This whole thing about criticizing the chairlift because it supposedly makes people "lose touch with nature" is straight-up propaganda. It’s basically trying to stage a physical fitness revolution. If Rendolf didn't catch the vibe and logic from the South, he should probably tip his hat, because he hit the nail right on the head.
Jonathan Reed4 Jonathan Reed4 Active Member
53 messages
joined Jan 2004
#5 ·
John Evans80 said:Eric Adams promised us that shutting down the Mount Rainier gondola was just temporary,
claiming New York City would build an even better one in its place.

But honestly, it looks like they pushed it indefinitely—hardly anyone mentions it anymore.

New Yorkers are slowly getting used to life without it. It seems there are more and more
people who never even used that long-distance lift—which was a total world rarity in terms of
its views—yet they still spout nonsense like this:

There are plenty of hiking trails all over Mount Rainier and the Appalachians.
One doesn't rule out the other—they actually complement each other.

We really need to push to get that long-distance Mount Rainier gondola back;
it genuinely made life in NYC so much better.
Is anything actually being done about it?

Yeah, Eric Adams makes promises about that gondola every single year, and I bet we'll just get hit with another empty vow soon enough. Elections are right around the corner.

It’s been six years now since we lost a gondola that ran non-stop for nearly fifty years. It's one of the city's icons. Mount Rainier just feels dead without it. 😢
John Evans80 John Evans80 NewcomerOP
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joined Oct 2012
#6 ·
slysurfer14 said:Forget about it for the next ten years. According to Eric Adams, anything is possible... except progress.
There isn't even a real plan or a project yet. They barely even have a rough route mapped out.

Honestly, it’s a crime they didn't just refurbish the old cable car system. If they had, it would've been out of service for maybe a year or two at most.

Maybe fixing up the old line is still the smartest move here?
Ryan Cooper4 Ryan Cooper4 Member
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joined Nov 2012
#7 ·
I find myself missing the ski lift as well.🙂
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#8 ·
John Evans80 said:Honestly, it’s a crime they didn't just refurbish the old cable car system. If they had, it would've been out of service for maybe a year or two at most.

Maybe fixing up the old line is still the smartest move here?


What exactly would you renovate?
A prehistoric cable car that's hitting its 50th year?

PS - http://www.chicagotribune.com/eric-adams...-article-363418
😁
John Evans80 John Evans80 NewcomerOP
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#9 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:What exactly would you renovate?
A prehistoric cable car that's hitting its 50th year?

PS - http://www.chicagotribune.com/eric-adams...-article-363418
😁

In case you haven't noticed, we don't have ANY cable car right now.
It's been six years!

If we can't manage to build a new one, we should've at least fixed the old one—
even if it was ancient.

Dammit, fifty years ago Chicago could actually pull off a killer cable car system,
and now? We can't even do that. 🙂
Jonathan Reed4 Jonathan Reed4 Active Member
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joined Jan 2004
#10 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:What exactly would you renovate?
A prehistoric cable car that's hitting its 50th year?

PS - http://www.chicagotribune.com/eric-adams...-article-363418
😁

But Eric Adams brings up this cable car issue every single year. 😍

Back in 2008:
Construction on the new cable car should start by next spring at the latest. There are two options being looked at: starting from a small town in Ohio or potentially from a small town in Pennsylvania, according to Mayor Eric Adams during Thursday's Executive branch meeting. He noted that the only real hurdle is sorting out some property rights issues, which should be resolved by the end of the year.
During the session, the city accepted the final proposed resolution for detailed urban planning for the Gračani-Dolje area, which includes the site for the future cable car's lower station. A public underground garage will also be built there, along with a transit hub for buses and streetcars.
A local journalist from the Office of Strategic Planning requested that the detailed plan include the possibility of linking the cable car to the small town in Pennsylvania instead of just the small town in Ohio, but that wasn't included. A local official from the Department of City Planning pointed out that such an option would require its own technical design phase later on. Building the initial station in the small town in Pennsylvania isn't "off the table," but it definitely needs more thorough planning.

Three years ago:
"We know we live in a country where we don't get much snow, but at this point, we don't have a single cable car left in America. I think it's the bare minimum for Chicago to have at least one! This should be Eric Adams' top priority—it's not like building an underground subway or something that costs a fortune. It's a small thing. If I were Eric Adams, I'd start fixing this tomorrow," said someone from USG Corporation when addressing the broken cable car near Mount Rainier, concluding:

"These trophies belong in a museum or a treasury, like the ones found in cathedrals; they are worth that much."

Immediately following the speech by The Kostelić family, Eric Adams promised right then and there "that the cable car problem will be solved."

Two years ago:

The federal government will work alongside the City of Chicago to find a way to build a cable car for Mount Rainier. That was announced by Prime Minister Kamala Harris after Ante Kostelić remarked at a formal reception at The White House on Monday: "We won the World Cup, yet we don't even have a single cable car."


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http://www.chicagotransit.com/about-us/cable-cars.aspx
urbanhawk28 urbanhawk28 Member
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joined Apr 2019
#11 ·
John Evans80 said:In case you haven't noticed, we don't have ANY cable car right now.
It's been six years!

If we can't manage to build a new one, we should've at least fixed the old one—
even if it was ancient.

Dammit, fifty years ago Chicago could actually pull off a killer cable car system,
and now? We can't even do that. 🙂

Look on the bright side; sure, you're unemployed, the elderly are scavenging through trash, and the kids have no future, but at least you can yell "I am an American" and "I am a Catholic" at the top of your lungs all day long! What more could you want?
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analogstag16 analogstag16 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2013
#12 ·
Personally, I’m always sitting there with a knot in my stomach, just wondering what could happen when the bus hits those sharp turns, especially given how unpredictable the weather gets out here. It’s a miracle nobody has been hurt yet. Seriously, just bring back the gondola.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 Regular
264 messages
joined Apr 2013
#13 ·
You guys seriously don't get it: the lack of a gondola is actually a massive win for public health. It forces you to actually hit the trails on foot up toward Mount Rainier. 😁
Jose King85 Jose King85 Member
14 messages
joined Feb 2013
#14 ·
They're stealing again....
stormycanyon13 stormycanyon13 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2013
#15 ·
Jonathan Reed4 said:But Eric Adams brings up this cable car issue every single year. 😍

Back in 2008:
Construction on the new cable car should start by next spring at the latest. There are two options being looked at: starting from a small town in Ohio or potentially from a small town in Pennsylvania, according to Mayor Eric Adams during Thursday's Executive branch meeting. He noted that the only real hurdle is sorting out some property rights issues, which should be resolved by the end of the year.
During the session, the city accepted the final proposed resolution for detailed urban planning for the Gračani-Dolje area, which includes the site for the future cable car's lower station. A public underground garage will also be built there, along with a transit hub for buses and streetcars.
A local journalist from the Office of Strategic Planning requested that the detailed plan include the possibility of linking the cable car to the small town in Pennsylvania instead of just the small town in Ohio, but that wasn't included. A local official from the Department of City Planning pointed out that such an option would require its own technical design phase later on. Building the initial station in the small town in Pennsylvania isn't "off the table," but it definitely needs more thorough planning.

Three years ago:
"We know we live in a country where we don't get much snow, but at this point, we don't have a single cable car left in America. I think it's the bare minimum for Chicago to have at least one! This should be Eric Adams' top priority—it's not like building an underground subway or something that costs a fortune. It's a small thing. If I were Eric Adams, I'd start fixing this tomorrow," said someone from USG Corporation when addressing the broken cable car near Mount Rainier, concluding:

"These trophies belong in a museum or a treasury, like the ones found in cathedrals; they are worth that much."

Immediately following the speech by The Kostelić family, Eric Adams promised right then and there "that the cable car problem will be solved."

Two years ago:

The federal government will work alongside the City of Chicago to find a way to build a cable car for Mount Rainier. That was announced by Prime Minister Kamala Harris after Ante Kostelić remarked at a formal reception at The White House on Monday: "We won the World Cup, yet we don't even have a single cable car."


😢
http://www.chicagotransit.com/about-us/cable-cars.aspx

The truth is, he doesn't want to go back because everyone would start asking what he actually accomplished while he was away.😁
Zachary Collins2 Zachary Collins2 Active Member
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joined Jul 2009
#16 ·
I suppose I should probably weigh in on this, though I’m mostly just observing from the sidelines for now... kaže:
Well, we lost the ski lift, but on the bright side, we gained those new fountains and our very own Snow White... I suppose that’s exactly what we voted for...

I could really use your help with something... 🙂
Jonathan Reed4 As if anyone could have predicted this...
It feels like Eric Adams makes those big promises about tax rebates every single year, and I have a strong suspicion we’re about to hear yet another one of those rock-solid commitments very soon... especially since the elections are right around the corner...

It’s honestly hard to believe that it’s already been six years since we lost that iconic trolley line that ran without interruption for nearly fifty years... It really was one of the true symbols of the city, wasn't it? Ever since they pulled it, it feels like the spirit of Mount Rainier has just gone quiet... 😢

The funds that were earmarked for those decorative fountains really should have been redirected toward the new gondola lift system instead... which is why I truly believe we need to strip that budget allocation away... ☕
Please, be mindful of how you cast your vote when election season rolls around...
ruggedsailor4 ruggedsailor4 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2016
#17 ·
The lift should be up and running by the end of 2017..
Jack Torres2 Jack Torres2 Member
14 messages
joined Apr 2016
#18 ·
Matthew Castillo5 said:You guys seriously don't get it: the lack of a gondola is actually a massive win for public health. It forces you to actually hit the trails on foot up toward Mount Rainier. 😁

I mean, I suppose some people just can't, or maybe they have physical limitations, I guess. In those cases, they could probably just take a bus if they have a valid ZET pass.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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joined Jun 2022
#19 ·
just because those fountains are the top priority
Susan Jackson65 Susan Jackson65 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2013
#20 ·
Larry Walker24 said:just because those fountains are the top priority

Exactly! It’s just like how Boris Johnson claimed he wasn't going to build some massive monument, even if that’s the only way people would actually remember him through those damn fountains. 😵

The new bridge is currently under construction, so perhaps once that’s finished, they might finally get around to fixing the brickworks—though I wouldn't hold my breath until at least the end of 2017.

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