Punishing "grammar police

Jason Campbell70 said:First off—if an F1 forum user can't even spell the names of the drivers or the teams correctly, I don't consider them capable of having a high-quality discussion.

Second—I have never responded to a well-reasoned argument on a "serious" topic by saying:

"Learn how to spell 😛, then maybe get back to me"

Never.

There were times when I would give a reasoned response to someone's post and conclude by suggesting a term was misspelled.

And that bothers me for the exact reason mentioned above😉.

Exactly. In my humble opinion, there is no better indicator of someone's ignorance or lack of effort than using broken, phonetic slang while still trying to sound coherent.

In everyday conversation, I don't use formal English. But on a forum, I usually "force" myself to. Especially during a "serious" debate.

Does that make me a superman? Or just a more serious forum user?

Well, now you've gone and proven that you don't actually know how an American speaks... 🙂
The point really comes down to where you place the emphasis...

Jason Campbell70 said:First off—if an F1 forum user can't even spell the names of the drivers or the teams correctly, I don't consider them capable of having a high-quality discussion.

Second—I have never responded to a well-reasoned argument on a "serious" topic by saying:

"Learn how to spell 😛, then maybe get back to me"

Never.

There were times when I would give a reasoned response to someone's post and conclude by suggesting a term was misspelled.

And that bothers me for the exact reason mentioned above😉.

Exactly. In my humble opinion, there is no better indicator of someone's ignorance or lack of effort than using broken, phonetic slang while still trying to sound coherent.

In everyday conversation, I don't use formal English. But on a forum, I usually "force" myself to. Especially during a "serious" debate.

Does that make me a superman? Or just a more serious forum user?

Never.[/I]

Using "never" twice in one sentence—once in the middle and once at the end (which, by the way, starts with a capital letter for some paranormal reason). So, redundant. Still not sure how you consider yourself competent enough to join a debate I started...

p.s. get it now? That's why it was a pointless provocation. 🙂

Looks like Jeremy Diaz9's lesson and the explanations from other users weren't enough for you...

p.p.s. when a point is made via a bullet point, it doesn't end with a period (.).
If you need to separate it from another point, use a semicolon (;). 😉

edit: it's wild how fast you edited yourself once I pointed out the mistakes 🤣

Doesn't matter. There's plenty of evidence right at the bottom of your post. 😉

Jason Campbell70 said:First off—if an F1 forum user can't even spell the names of the drivers or the teams correctly, I don't consider them capable of having a high-quality discussion.

Second—I have never responded to a well-reasoned argument on a "serious" topic by saying:

"Learn how to spell 😛, then maybe get back to me"

Never.

There were times when I would give a reasoned response to someone's post and conclude by suggesting a term was misspelled.

And that bothers me for the exact reason mentioned above😉.

Exactly. In my humble opinion, there is no better indicator of someone's ignorance or lack of effort than using broken, phonetic slang while still trying to sound coherent.

In everyday conversation, I don't use formal English. But on a forum, I usually "force" myself to. Especially during a "serious" debate.

Does that make me a superman? Or just a more serious forum user?

http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=1...8&postcount=19
http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=1...6&postcount=95

Of course, the excuse will always be that the thread isn't "serious" enough.☕

But honestly, I don't feel like digging through it. This is a tiny thread, and I'm not in the mood to dig through all the others, even though there are plenty more like it. Look, I know how to write a grammatically correct post, but I just don't feel like stressing over it when I'm typing or arguing with someone on a forum. I type fast, and it doesn't occur to me to go back and proofread everything later.☕

Even if there were an option for a Moderator to police grammar and hand out penalty points for bad spelling, I still wouldn't bother checking.☕

Jerry Martin19 said:Never.[/I]

Using "never" twice in one sentence—once in the middle and once at the end (which, by the way, starts with a capital letter for some paranormal reason). So, redundant. Still not sure how you consider yourself competent enough to join a debate I started...

p.s. get it now? That's why it was a pointless provocation. 🙂

Looks like Jeremy Diaz9's lesson and the explanations from other users weren't enough for you...

p.p.s. when a point is made via a bullet point, it doesn't end with a period (.).
If you need to separate it from another point, use a semicolon (;). 😉

edit: it's wild how fast you edited yourself once I pointed out the mistakes 🤣

Doesn't matter. There's plenty of evidence right at the bottom of your post. 😉

Let's try this again...

Since I'm being attacked here, does anyone actually have examples to back up these claims?

Because what you're doing—pointing out my mistakes (which I admit I made)—is just blowing things out of proportion.

Look, there's no issue if someone happens to mention a typo.
The problem is when someone responds to a reasoned argument with nothing but "XYZ is spelled XyZ" (to paraphrase).
That deserves a reprimand.

It isn't just a casual correction.

Jason Campbell70 said:Let's try this again...

Since I'm being attacked here, does anyone actually have examples to back up these claims?

Because what you're doing—pointing out my mistakes (which I admit I made)—is just blowing things out of proportion.

Look, there's no issue if someone happens to mention a typo.
The problem is when someone responds to a reasoned argument with nothing but "XYZ is spelled XyZ" (to paraphrase).
That deserves a reprimand.

It isn't just a casual correction.

Listen. The only place people should be correcting grammar is in some "grammar thread" (if that even exists here). In any other thread, people should have the freedom to write how they want. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, should be calling out typos—mostly because it's just pure provocation, and 99% of the time, it has nothing to do with the actual discussion.

p.s. Examples? That guy gave you three "totally legit" examples of yours...😉

stormybadger8 said:http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=1...8&postcount=19
http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=1...6&postcount=95

Of course, the excuse will always be that the thread isn't "serious" enough.☕

But honestly, I don't feel like digging through it. This is a tiny thread, and I'm not in the mood to dig through all the others, even though there are plenty more like it. Look, I know how to write a grammatically correct post, but I just don't feel like stressing over it when I'm typing or arguing with someone on a forum. I type fast, and it doesn't occur to me to go back and proofread everything later.☕

Even if there were an option for a Moderator to police grammar and hand out penalty points for bad spelling, I still wouldn't bother checking.☕

Aside from the very first post, I don't see any spelling corrections.

Keeping in mind that the first link points to a chat thread, if I recall correctly—since I've actually been locked out of the Formula 1 subforum 😁.

I suspect the other two links lead to chat threads as well. Threads which, at least in my opinion, qualify as "unserious."😉

@Jason Campbell70, just so we're clear. I wasn't listing your mistakes to bait you, I was just pointing out the kind of negative attitude toward other users that you seem to be backing up. You even said yourself that if someone can't distinguish basic spelling or grammar, they aren't competent on serious topics. That's just another unnecessary bias on your part. I've read plenty of brilliant people online who don't write like Shakespeare during a heavy debate, yet they're a blast to read—sometimes even more so than the folks forcing perfect academic English. Just because someone misses a character here or there doesn't mean they lack authority in a discussion. You tell who's actually qualified by the substance of their post, not how perfectly they construct every single sentence...

Jason Campbell70 said:Aside from the very first post, I don't see any spelling corrections.

Keeping in mind that the first link points to a chat thread, if I recall correctly—since I've actually been locked out of the Formula 1 subforum 😁.

I suspect the other two links lead to chat threads as well. Threads which, at least in my opinion, qualify as "unserious."😉

I mean, looking at some of these posts, they practically beg for a ban. Maybe not a permanent one, but I’d definitely hand out a first or third strike for sure.☕

Looks like you’ve been MIA for a while.😁

Not one single person from the chat thread showed up.😉
Everyone's just jumping in from that "Sebastian Vettel is the new World Champion" thread.😉

Jason Campbell70 said:Let's try this again...

Since I'm being attacked here, does anyone actually have examples to back up these claims?

Because what you're doing—pointing out my mistakes (which I admit I made)—is just blowing things out of proportion.

Look, there's no issue if someone happens to mention a typo.
The problem is when someone responds to a reasoned argument with nothing but "XYZ is spelled XyZ" (to paraphrase).
That deserves a reprimand.

It isn't just a casual correction.

Look, man—we both know you can't stand me. Fine by me. Honestly, my left nut hurts just as much as you hate me... but I’m gonna give you some friendly advice here, just so we're clear, I'm not trying to mess with you...

Listen—it isn't a coincidence that you keep getting banned from certain sub-forums. Whether that's fair or not, who knows? But it's happening... and your constant need to pick fights? It's endless. 😉

It also isn't a fluke that you always end up being the target whenever there's a heated debate within our little inner circle of users...

If you ask me, your biggest issue is that you either don't realize or just refuse to admit when you're wrong. Nobody's perfect, buddy, definitely not you... but you'd be a "bigger" man if you could just take the L once in a while and admit you messed up... instead of trying to force your arguments on us (and failing miserably)...

...also, just because you feel super confident in your opinion doesn't actually mean you're right...

If most people are telling you something, you don't have to agree, but at least don't try to shove your "truth" down our throats...

I just wrote all that out and now I feel like an idiot because I'm basically explaining basic social etiquette to an adult who's supposed to be a few years older than me... you clearly missed a few lessons in how people actually talk to each other... but whatever, it's not like I have to put up with you, thank God... 😉

Remember that one time you corrected me on some random thread because I used a bit of slang? Even kids in small-town America get the vibe of what that means and why it's used. It's about keeping things chill and joking around, not having some jerk constantly policing my grammar...

...and one last thing—you've mentioned two or three times now that "Your Majesty" won't even deign to talk to someone who doesn't follow grammar rules. Well, Your Majesty (whoever your level of education might be) should probably realize that the quality of a conversation doesn't depend on that...

I actually left a few typos in there on purpose just to see if you'd jump in to correct me.

stormybadger8 said:I mean, looking at some of these posts, they practically beg for a ban. Maybe not a permanent one, but I’d definitely hand out a first or third strike for sure.☕

Looks like you’ve been MIA for a while.😁

Not one single person from the chat thread showed up.😉
Everyone's just jumping in from that "Sebastian Vettel is the new World Champion" thread.😉

🤣

First off—if that's actually meant to be a serious discussion, then I'm a pilot (and no, I'm not a pilot, regardless of what my username implies 😁).

Second—isn't the actual title of the thread "Sebastian Vettel is the new world champion"?

http://www.americanforum.com/showthread.php?t=259736

And take a look at that first comment.😉

crotomy said:one of the stupider topics on the F1 forum since I joined....

I might even go as far as calling it the dumbest topic yet.🙏

A triple LOL for the author -> 🤣🤣🤣

(topics, obviously)

Matthew Ortiz said:Bugariti means to speak or sing sadly; that's one of the etymologies for certain folk songs. Since it's an imperfective verb, there is no aorist. Because it's a fourth-type verb, the imperfect is formed with the original suffix plus a jotation, though there's no need here because of the existing palatal (even if r is depalatalized in American, it wasn't like that in Proto-Slavic). So, bugarah, bugaraše, bugaraše, bugarasmo, bugaraste, bugarahu.

Dujiti is strictly a dialectal verb and doesn't exist in the standard language at all. Depending on the region, it can mean anything from blowing to milking to being still, but most often it refers to being quiet. It’s derived from the noun spirit, but you can tell this happened in the southern regions due to the shift of h > j (which isn't rare; it changes to either j or v), hence duvati (< duhati), dunuti, and so on. The imperfect is dujah based on that principle, and there is no aorist since it's imperfective.

Got anything harder? 😉

Honestly, that was mostly just a little jab at the people who think they’re absolute experts on American grammar... 😉

Man, you explained that so beautifully... such a gentle and friendly way to put it. I seriously owe you one...

So... you're actually suggesting I dodge a massive headache by telling my professor that the aorist tense just doesn't work for those specific verbs? Hmm...

Man, whatever... my grammar isn't exactly top-tier for some American guy—but thank God I've got other things going for me... 😉

A killer ass—thick thighs and rock-solid calves—friendly vibes, green eyes... and a shaved junk...

👍

@Jason Campbell70, the thread you linked isn't even where you're making those corrections 😉

edit: gotta add that I'm actually glad this argument—which has definitely gotten a bit personal—hasn't devolved into typical "you don't know anything" or "you're clueless" type of insults. You rarely see that here, and usually, these kinds of debates turn into a total mess that ends in warnings and bans. please, let's not ruin that part 🙂

ruggedfox28 said:Honestly, that was mostly just a little jab at the people who think they’re absolute experts on American grammar... 😉

Man, you explained that so beautifully... such a gentle and friendly way to put it. I seriously owe you one...

So... you're actually suggesting I dodge a massive headache by telling my professor that the aorist tense just doesn't work for those specific verbs? Hmm...

Man, whatever... my grammar isn't exactly top-tier for some American guy—but thank God I've got other things going for me... 😉

A killer ass—thick thighs and rock-solid calves—friendly vibes, green eyes... and a shaved junk...

👍

Yeah, unfortunately. 😁

Since the aorist marks a completed action, you can't pull it from imperfective verbs that describe ongoing processes. For example, there's no aorist for fuck (the original form was fucked up 😍, much like how grabbed eventually became grabbing as it leveled out with present tense forms...)—you just get the imperfect was fucking. But for to fuck up, there is no imperfect, only the aorist fucked up. 😁 They look similar, but the difference lies in the suffixes: fucked up, fucked, fucked, we fucked, you all fucked, they fucked versus was fucking, was fucking, was fucking, we were fucking, you all were fucking, they were fucking.

Or maybe your professor was just clueless. That happens; sometimes even people who claim to be experts in the American language think they actually know what they're talking about. 😁

Jason Campbell70 said:Big deal, you caught my slip of the pen.🤷

Since we're discussing literacy here, all your observations regarding my spelling are entirely fair.

On certain subforums, I "tolerate" poor grammar, mainly because of how "serious" those specific sections are.
But on other subforums, bad grammar just discredits a user, making them look incompetent for any "higher" level of discussion.

"Say" is spelled with a soft 'c'.😁

Look, man, I don't think you grasped what I was actually getting at.
First, you jumped straight to the idea that if someone struggles with basic spelling or punctuation, they must basically have a lower IQ. In doing that, you just proved how incredibly arrogant you are.
Then, you typed out "New Yorker."
At this point, it doesn't even matter that you missed a single letter.
What matters is that I can prove you're illiterate according to your own standards, since people insist the term is "New Yorker."
So, by your own logic, you're the one who's intellectually inferior here.
Instead of actually listening to what I'm trying to say, you just keep venting...
I asked you how it feels when I shut down an actual argument with such an idiotic approach. You tell me!

@Jason Campbell70, he gave you links about Sebastian Vettel being the new world champion but you linked Ferrari ever or maybe never being world champions again?

Matthew Ortiz said:Yeah, unfortunately. 😁

Since the aorist marks a completed action, you can't pull it from imperfective verbs that describe ongoing processes. For example, there's no aorist for fuck (the original form was fucked up 😍, much like how grabbed eventually became grabbing as it leveled out with present tense forms...)—you just get the imperfect was fucking. But for to fuck up, there is no imperfect, only the aorist fucked up. 😁 They look similar, but the difference lies in the suffixes: fucked up, fucked, fucked, we fucked, you all fucked, they fucked versus was fucking, was fucking, was fucking, we were fucking, you all were fucking, they were fucking.

Or maybe your professor was just clueless. That happens; sometimes even people who claim to be experts in the American language think they actually know what they're talking about. 😁

He was him—and I doubt he's stupid since he moved up to the university level and is a professor now... I can tell you know your stuff regarding the language, so his name might ring a bell: Ivan Boskovic; he's even published a few academic books on the American language..

Even though I'm a grad, I'm not ashamed to admit I don't understand half of what you write, but man, I can't describe the sheer enjoyment I get from reading your comments..

..you have this gentle (how should I put it? friendly) way of communicating that I'm honestly fascinated by 😘

It’ll probably kill half my libido, but baby, you're the first female forum user on my list I'd actually take out for a drink right now 😉

Jeremy Diaz9 said:Look, man, I don't think you grasped what I was actually getting at.
First, you jumped straight to the idea that if someone struggles with basic spelling or punctuation, they must basically have a lower IQ. In doing that, you just proved how incredibly arrogant you are.
Then, you typed out "New Yorker."
At this point, it doesn't even matter that you missed a single letter.
What matters is that I can prove you're illiterate according to your own standards, since people insist the term is "New Yorker."
So, by your own logic, you're the one who's intellectually inferior here.
Instead of actually listening to what I'm trying to say, you just keep venting...
I asked you how it feels when I shut down an actual argument with such an idiotic approach. You tell me!

I wouldn't call this a serious or well-reasoned debate. But really?

Suppose we're talking about seeing a massive white dog near the coast of Maui, and you decide to quote me just because I happened to write "massive w..."jYou notice "dog shit" like that and throw it back in my face without even glancing at what I actually wrote? If you're going to ignore the substance of my post just to nitpick, I’d have to call you a troll—and maybe something else, too. 😁).

Suppose you responded to my post about that massive white dog sighting near the coast of Maui with a solid, reasoned argument. If you ended there by pointing out my typo, I’d actually thank you for it. Wouldn't I?

I don't see anything wrong with that.🤷

@ Jerry Martin19, I can't seem to find the Formula 1 subforum, but I will tell you this: both threads are completely moronic and utterly ridiculous. To the authors of those posts? They deserve nothing but the worst.

- What does it even matter how it's phrased if there isn't a single shred of substance beneath the surface? It’s just empty packaging around a hollow core. To me, the actual message is what counts—or to put it more bluntly, is there actually anything intelligent being said here?
- You really ought to just ignore those kinds of pedants, much like you would any internet troll.

Jason Campbell70, it’s pretty obvious to anyone who knows you that you're starting this thread with that "oops, I can't see the Formula 1 PDF" excuse🤣. Seriously, why don't you just drop a link to some political rant instead?😂

And the most important part: did you forget to post a grinning smiley face next to your "helpful" title correction, or have you actually grown up? I’m really hoping it’s the latter.👍 Even if you claim to think the worst of the thread starter (who has absolutely nothing to do with any of this🤣), you still managed to get banned from the Formula 1 PDF just for correcting their grammar.😢 I’m sincerely hoping the Admins lift that ban soon so we can go back to messing around on the Formula 1 PDF together.👍

I’m all for people typing in whatever American dialect they choose, spelling errors and all.

What I can’t get behind is using Mexican Ekavian, Canadian, Cyrillic script, or just defaulting to English, French, or German... especially when those terms haven't even been translated into the American language. And don't even get me started on those dead languages like Latin or Greek...

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