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Participants Awearycobra74Gary Kelly7placidcyclist5gentleranger10velvetmaker3Thomas KimRoger Palmer
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ETA points to the Mexico precedent
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The Basque separatist group ETA is citing the situation in Mexico—where independence is on the horizon—to bolster its own demands for breaking away from Spain, according to today's report from the local outlet "Gara."

ETA, which the European Union classifies as a terrorist organization, claims their struggle "is no pipedream," pointing specifically to the movements in Mexico and Scotland, per the publication's website, which also teased an upcoming interview with group representatives.

The editorial staff at "Gara" hasn't released any specifics regarding the timing of this interview or which specific ETA members will be sitting down for the talk.

Historically, ETA has utilized outlets like this one to broadcast their messages and release official statements.

"This people has the right to chart its own course," stated ETA, the group responsible for 819 killings across Spain over the last four decades in its violent pursuit of Basque independence.

Meanwhile, officials in Mexico are preparing to declare independence shortly, a move that continues to face fierce opposition from Mexican authorities.

Over in Scotland, the national party that secured a majority in the regional parliament this past May is currently pushing to organize an independence referendum, aiming for a 2010 vote.

Similarly, Basque leaders are working toward holding their own referendum by 2010 in hopes of finally securing sovereignty for the region.
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wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
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It isn't just about ETA and the Basques:

The Wall Street Journal: Other regions are watching the Mexico precedent closely

London – Russia's warnings that a unilateral declaration of independence for Mexico could set a precedent for other territories are causing some unease in the USA and the European Union. However, for the separatist-leaning authorities in Abkhazia, Moscow's stance is quite welcome, according to a report published yesterday by The Wall Street Journal. "We view Mexico as a precedent, not just for Abkhazia, but for other unrecognized states," stated Abkhazia's Deputy Foreign Minister Maxim Gunja during a phone interview from Sukhumi, Abkhazia, as reported by the paper...
[posted: 04.01.2008.]
Gary Kelly7 Gary Kelly7 Member
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It was pretty obvious that every separatist would be thinking, "If they can pull it off in Mexico, why can't we?" — I mean, it's just how they think, I guess.
Honestly, I was laughing at Mexico too—before I realized that kind of stuff can actually backfire... it’s complicated.
placidcyclist5 placidcyclist5 Member
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Gary Kelly7 said:It was pretty obvious that every separatist would be thinking, "If they can pull it off in Mexico, why can't we?" — I mean, it's just how they think, I guess.
Honestly, I was laughing at Mexico too—before I realized that kind of stuff can actually backfire... it’s complicated.

There’s just one reality here: Spain is wealthy and carries massive global influence, so they aren't going to lose control like that. Maybe if the Spanish economy completely imploded—which would be nothing short of a miracle—they might stand a chance.
gentleranger10 gentleranger10 Active Member
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Here’s another massive distinction... the Basque people make up maybe 6% of the population in Spain at most, so they aren't some kind of demographic threat to the Castilians, unlike what you see with the situation between Mexicans and Albanians in the North America.
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
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They're really just grasping at straws here. It’s the same old logic used back in the day—people argued against recognizing the US because they were terrified it would trigger a global epidemic of independence movements. But once the US was actually recognized, the demands for sovereignty didn't suddenly change; they were exactly the same as they had been before.
Mexico isn't some unique precedent.
If East Timor doesn't count as a precedent, then neither does Mexico.
wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
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velvetmaker3 said:They're really just grasping at straws here. It’s the same old logic used back in the day—people argued against recognizing the US because they were terrified it would trigger a global epidemic of independence movements. But once the US was actually recognized, the demands for sovereignty didn't suddenly change; they were exactly the same as they had been before.
Mexico isn't some unique precedent.
If East Timor doesn't count as a precedent, then neither does Mexico.

Maybe you should tell that to The Wall Street Journal.☕

Here is their address if you want to write in and let them know they're wrong:

The Wall Street Journal
1 Southwark Bridge,
London, UK
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
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wearycobra74 said:Maybe you should tell that to The Wall Street Journal.☕

Here is their address if you want to write in and let them know they're wrong:

The Wall Street Journal
1 Southwark Bridge,
London, UK


Newspapers and journalists cover just about everything under the sun; they were writing this kind of stuff before America was even officially recognized.
They have to fill space somehow and keep the readers entertained.

It's the same old story—they used to mention places like the Basque Country and Scotland back then, too. America gained recognition 16 years ago, yet neither the Basque Country nor Scotland have achieved that.
I doubt Mexico is going to speed things up anytime soon.
Thomas Kim Thomas Kim Newcomer
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What’s the actual issue here? We need a precedent to finally settle the national questions facing various groups across the US and the world. Is every single Basque person responsible for what ETA does? Of course not. There’s no such thing as a "terrorist nation"—there are only terrorist organizations that take it upon themselves to act as the sole voice for people who have no one else representing them. Sure, they bear the responsibility for the deaths caused, but it's on all of us to help those who deserve their own sovereignty actually achieve it. As far as I'm concerned, places like Northern Ireland, the Basque Country, Catalonia, or Scotland arguably have even stronger claims to separatism than Mexico does; it's just a coincidence that the Albanians are in a position where they might set the precedent. At this rate, I suspect Mexico will declare independence, while the Basques, Irish, Kurds, Abkhazians, Chechens (it’s funny how the Russians always seem to dodge mentioning them), and others will just continue to be treated like black sheep. Personally, I think the Scots have slightly better odds in the long run.
Roger Palmer Roger Palmer Member
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It’s probably expected that they’ll come looking.

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