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Psychiatrists vs. Psychologists: What's the difference?

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Participants Henry Collins5placidjackal97Gerald Adamsboldeagle3swiftscout8Alex Foster6mistymarlin7Kenneth Hernandez67Peter Bakerelectricdriver78stormynomad6Arustymoose54Jamie Clark74fadedheron18Casey Cook10Sarah Wood2Kyle Lee7Daniel White15redharbor9ironwolf46
Peter Baker Peter Baker Newcomer
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joined Dec 2002
#21 ·
Angel said:I’m looking for someone who feels like they stepped out of an American movie—someone who can actually help navigate life's stresses, family issues, or whatever else comes up.
I know having a good friend to lean on helps, but sometimes you just need professional expertise.
Does anyone have a recommendation for someone based here in Chicago?


Just get out into nature. Go find some peace in the countryside or go fishing... that’s the only real therapy you need. Honestly, just stay far away from those people who lose their minds over nothing. 😠 🙂
Alex Foster6 Alex Foster6 Active Member
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joined Feb 2004
#22 ·
Mia said:The official name is Boys & Girls Clubs of America. They offer both group sessions and one-on-one counseling. You can reach them at 4621 554, and they are generally available from 9 AM to 5 PM. As far as I am aware, their services are free, though I would suggest verifying that. They might have their own website, or perhaps a listing under the American Psychological Association.

Thank you, Mia. 🙂 I managed to find the site here:
placidjackal97 placidjackal97 Active Member
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joined May 2003
#23 ·
Everyone’s got their own baggage—usually feeling like theirs is the heaviest in the room. But honestly, do we really need to pop Xanax every single time life gets a little bumpy?

Take marriage troubles, for instance. You don't exactly fix a broken relationship at a psychiatrist's office, though—even if those issues can absolutely wreck you if you let them.

Daily stress isn't a clinical diagnosis. If psychiatrists had to treat every person who loses their mind just because their phone rings five times in ten minutes, they'd be out of a job by noon.

Exactly.

There's no pill for life.

Preach. Some people get that right away—others never will.
electricdriver78 electricdriver78 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#24 ·
swiftscout8 said:The training for these two paths is actually pretty different. A psychiatrist is a medical professional, so because of that medical background, they specialize in deviant behavior—essentially treating illnesses...

Psychologists spend their whole education focusing on studying typical, everyday human behavior. As far as I know, there are quite a few different branches of psychology too...

I think I’d prefer being a psychologist, honestly. At least until I lose my mind and start shooting people in the streets...😂

Actually, psychologists don't just deal with "normal" behavior and everyday issues...

I was treated by a psychologist for PTSD and OCD myself...

They recommended I take medication to help boost serotonin levels between nerves, but since a psychologist can't write prescriptions, my doctor had to handle the actual script...

And the idea that you just take pills to sleep for every psychological disorder is such an outdated concept...

It's a total myth that every pill prescribed for a mental health condition is just some sedative or sleeping aid...

I'm on antidepressants—not to "numb" me, but to help me feel more alive, though my specific combo includes anxiolytics so one medication ends up tackling two problems at once...

Quite often, a mental health issue is just the result of a chemical imbalance in your brain cells...

If a certain medication doesn't work for you or gives you nasty side effects, definitely ask for something else, because there are usually plenty of alternatives out there...

Just to kick things off here, based on what I've gathered from the post, it seems like the OP might actually need group therapy to work through those family dynamic issues...
electricdriver78 electricdriver78 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#25 ·
It’s all just pretty sad, really...

I feel like our collective understanding of mental health is stuck in such a dark age...

It honestly blows my mind that people still use labels like "crazy" to describe someone struggling with their mental health😕 👎
swiftscout8 swiftscout8 Active Member
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joined Apr 2007
#26 ·
lust4lif3: Like I mentioned in some other post on some other subforum, anonymity just gives people the freedom to talk absolute nonsense without having any clue what they’re actually saying. And then, to top it all off, you have the nerve to spit in your opponent's face with a line like, "Read up first, then get back to me." All of this in a post that doesn't contain a single coherent argument. Once someone drops a phrase like that in a post like this, I'm done. The reality is that you have no idea who you're arguing with or what they actually know. For all you know, you might be going toe-to-toe with a psychiatrist who finds it exhausting to debate someone talking pure garbage, only to have that person insulted for being uninformed at the end. Now, I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist myself—though I've known people who studied the field, so I've heard plenty about it—but still.

As far as I'm concerned, you're the one who needs to actually educate yourself before coming here to whine about having "read enough"!

Unbelievable. 🙂
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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joined May 2005
#27 ·
Hey swiftscout8 — and everyone else here.

Look, I’m no psychiatrist or psychologist, but I am a man who isn't ashamed of an illness, because nobody chooses to get sick.

Take a moment and read through this topic. 🙂
stormynomad6 stormynomad6 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2004
#28 ·
There is an excellent doctor practicing in Beverly Hills who also sees patients privately. If you need further details, I can send them via DM...
A Anonymous Veteran
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#29 ·
Psychiatrists definitely know how to charge a premium for their time..$67 When you look at those hourly rates, the monthly bill alone is enough to give anyone a massive headache.
Do you think they eventually just get jaded with all the "crazy" patients coming through their doors? Like, do they start acting cold or even looking at people with nothing but smirks and pure contempt?
rustymoose54 rustymoose54 Active Member
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#30 ·
beowulf said:Psychiatrists sure know how to charge for their time...$67 per hour, which adds up fast—we're talking serious money here...
But don't they eventually just get jaded with all these "crazy people" walking through their doors? Like, they just get cold and start looking at patients with this total smirk and pure contempt?

Honestly, I'd rather be labeled "crazy" than be such a Neanderthal that you think anyone needing mental health support is just some freak.

beowulf, nothing personal... 🙂
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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#31 ·
beowulf said:Psychiatrists certainly know how to bill for their time...$67 per hour, which adds up to a monthly total that'll make your head spin.
Don't they eventually just harden themselves against these "crazy people" walking through the door, becoming callous and looking at them with nothing but smirks and contempt?

If your location is accurate, you're lucky that even here in the States, there are still services covered by standard health insurance with minimal out-of-pocket costs.

If you need help—for yourself or someone you care about—go talk to a Community Health Center or the Department of Social Services to get the actual facts.

It’s easy to type this out behind a screen... but try waiting in line at the Veterans Affairs Mental Health Clinic. A genuine desire to help someone can actually push past our own prejudices and discomfort... you want me to describe what it was like? The board already has my next appointment ready, the third time they handed me love poems...

And I didn't even go there for myself...

Those of you who haven't read that linked thread, do so now.
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#32 ·
electricdriver78 said:It’s all pretty sad, really.

The way people view mental health is still stuck in a dark age.

I honestly can't believe people still use terms like "crazy" to describe someone struggling with mental illness.😕 👎

It is depressing. Even worse, some supposedly "intelligent" people claim you don't need a doctor—whether it's a psychologist or a psychiatrist—or medication.

According to recent data, depression is becoming a massive issue, affecting maybe 4 or 5 out of every 100 Americans.

Maybe those people who insist you don't need help are actually the ones driving everyone else toward a breakdown?
Those cynical, aggressive types can make life incredibly difficult for people who are just hardworking, disciplined, and a bit more reserved.

Back in 1990, I was working an office job as a dispatcher. I had three computers in front of me, about twenty vehicles under my control via radio, and three phones—one of which was tied to seven different foremen (who rarely even answered after four rings). I found myself subconsciously counting the seconds until the next ring would go off, simply because their office was just a few feet away from mine.

While those jerks stood by the door smoking, I had people waiting on work orders, orders for parts, people calling from their cars... and the phone just kept ringing.

How much can one person take? Just look at any government office;
watch how they talk to people while you're sitting there waiting in line or dealing with bureaucracy elsewhere.

I tried letting them know the workload was too much, but it fell on deaf ears with my manager. It went on for a year until one morning, I simply couldn't get out of bed.

I took four months of leave, but I couldn't recover. At the time, nobody realized it wasn't just stress, panic attacks, and depression;
it was also the sheer fear of the workplace itself.

I haven't worked since then—that was 14 years ago. After my leave, I was relieved to see a Neurologist, who eventually referred me to a psychiatrist... whom I still see every six weeks.

To be honest, I wanted to be physically ill. It took three or six months of convincing before I accepted that I was mentally ill, dealing with a chemical imbalance, and needed medication that I’ll likely take for the rest of my life.

So, if you aren't feeling right, please don't wait until you're completely broken like I did. You might never be the same person again.

Around my 50th birthday, I was let go from my job because I was deemed unfit for the role.
I received a $100,000 settlement for damages, but that didn't mean I could access my pension immediately; I had to wait two years per the law.

P.S. My doctor is a primary care physician, a psychiatrist, and a licensed psychologist all in one. I feel very lucky to have found such an experienced professional (she actually immigrated from Holland as a child). She sees us privately, and our sessions with my wife last about an hour and a half. She doesn't charge extra beyond what the government covers, which is only about 70% of the actual cost.

Sorry for the long post.

👋 👋

🙂 😉 😎
electricdriver78 electricdriver78 Active Member
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#33 ·
beowulf said:Psychiatrists definitely know how to charge for their time...$67 per hour, which adds up to a massive monthly bill if you think about it too much...
But don't they eventually just get hardened toward those "crazy people" coming through their doors, becoming indifferent and looking at them with nothing but smirks and contempt?

And why wouldn't they charge for their expertise?

Around here, an hour with a psychologist runs about $130, and most of it is covered by insurance—which honestly is less than what some people blow on drinks every month...

And the kind of support a professional can actually give you... it's truly priceless...

Plus, it's not all about the money for everyone—some people go into this because they genuinely love what they do and really want to help folks...

Do you have any idea what it feels like to be physically healthy but completely dead inside, feeling judged by everyone around you just because you're labeled "crazy"... even though you aren't doing anything wrong or on purpose, and the harder you try to act "normal," the deeper you just sink...

It’s like being buried alive, watching life pass you by while you desperately want to live, but you just can't escape your own "cage"... at least not on your own...

So when you finally find that help—someone who actually brings you back to life—how could you ever put a price tag on that?...
fadedheron18 fadedheron18 Member
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#34 ·
Here’s the number for psychological support at the Boeing center in Chicago: 482 88 88. They're available every weekday from 10 AM to 10 PM. You can talk to volunteer psychologists over the phone, or even set up an in-person session to get some useful info. They offer online counseling too, though I can't recall the exact link right now...
Casey Cook10 Casey Cook10 Active Member
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#35 ·
swiftscout8 said:lust4lif3: Like I said in some other post on some other random subforum—anonymity just gives you the freedom to talk total nonsense without having any clue what you’re actually saying. And then, to top it all off, you have the nerve to spit in your opponent's face with a line like "First read up on it, then come back." All of this in a post that doesn't contain a single actual argument. Once someone uses a phrase like that in a post like this, I'm just done with the debate. The truth is, you really don't know who you're arguing with or how much they actually know about the subject. For all you know, you might be talking to a psychiatrist who's way too busy dealing with real issues to waste time on someone spewing garbage, only to have them insulted for not knowing enough at the end. (Of course, I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist, but I've known people who studied that stuff, so I've heard plenty about it).

If you ask me, maybe you're the one who should probably do a little reading before coming here to whine about what's been "read"!

Geez! 🙂

Man, if you were actually that "psychiatrist who's way too busy to deal with someone spewing nonsense," you wouldn't be acting so cluelessly. I guess that just shows your whole attitude toward psychiatrists and mental health issues—you're probably just scared they'll label you "crazy" if you ever go see one. That's why you, along with so many others who are terrified of that stigma (which is still pretty huge in our small-minded society), would rather seek help from a psychologist instead.
There's actually this huge overlap where psychiatry and psychology meet, and both can provide psychotherapy (provided they're properly trained and have gone through it themselves). This area is totally different from what people call "biological psychiatry," which focuses on using meds to fix "chemical imbalances in the brain." Psychotherapy deals with things commonly known as "neuroses"—meaning there isn't necessarily a pathological psychiatric basis like an organic disorder, though it can be super uncomfortable and really mess with your daily life. There's even a thread about anxiety somewhere, so maybe check that out. So, you can't really claim it's just "everyday life problems" to discuss with a psychologist. According to Freud, the roots are usually found in the personality structure itself (assuming we rule out organic causes like hyperthyroidism), and those need to be treated with psychoanalysis. That kind of work can take years, which is probably why it's easier to find a psychologist who will just "mask" the symptoms in two weeks so everyone stays happy. See ya next time.

So, yeah, maybe less gatekeeping and a bit more staying informed.
Alex Foster6 Alex Foster6 Active Member
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joined Feb 2004
#36 ·
Perhaps this would be an appropriate space to share a contact number for psychological support:

1-800-273-8255

If anyone finds themselves navigating a crisis... I’ve reached out to a helpline once or twice myself (one of those times was via a payphone when I was quite young 🙂), and I found it to be genuinely helpful... There you go.
Sarah Wood2 Sarah Wood2 Newcomer
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#37 ·
Alright folks, does anyone have a solid psychiatrist they can vouch for? Like, we’ve all gone over the whole breakdown of what a psychologist is versus a psychotherapist or a psychiatrist... but then there's this whole other thing called a neuropsychiatrist. What's the actual deal with that? I've got an appointment coming up at this new hospital, and honestly, I'm already feeling a bit iffy about whether it's going to be any good.
Kyle Lee7 Kyle Lee7 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#38 ·
Back in the day, psychiatry and neurology used to be treated as two sides of the same coin, so most people who studied them back then have naturally evolved into neuropsychiatrists today. I’d bet my money that the majority of them eventually leaned more toward the neurology side of things.
Sarah Wood2 Sarah Wood2 Newcomer
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#39 ·
So, I’ve got this feeling she’s leaning way more into neurology lately, especially since she’s working over in the trauma unit... but man, I really need a second opinion from someone who actually knows their stuff. Like, a total pro. Does anyone have a specific name—first and last name, please—of a top-tier specialist they’d vouch for? Also, does anyone happen to know the best way to get an appointment with George?
Daniel White15 Daniel White15 Member
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#40 ·
Sarah Wood2 said:So, I’ve got this feeling she’s leaning way more into neurology lately, especially since she’s working over in the trauma unit... but man, I really need a second opinion from someone who actually knows their stuff. Like, a total pro. Does anyone have a specific name—first and last name, please—of a top-tier specialist they’d vouch for? Also, does anyone happen to know the best way to get an appointment with George?

John Smith works at the Mayo Clinic within the psychiatric hospital (they're actually temporarily operating out of the dermatology building while the main facility undergoes renovations).

Have you thought about doing some psychological processing to help clear up the differential diagnosis? It’s actually pretty common to do that—but only if that's what you feel you need!

Are you looking for a private psychologist or psychiatrist, or are you trying to go through your insurance referral?

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