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The Philosophy of Pornography

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ruggeddriver21 ruggeddriver21 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’ve heard some wild claim floating around that pornography makes up about 98% of the internet...
Either way, you can't escape it. It’s everywhere.
Just everywhere.

It feels like this massive, hyper-commercialized industry is just cranking out more and more content, relentlessly pushing itself into our digital lives.
The thing is, most of it is pure fiction.
You have these performers who are essentially playing roles, creating content both professionally and through their private personas, which has even ended up being analyzed in deep philosophical essays online.

I’m honestly not sure how to frame this topic without sounding a bit broad, but my general take is that porn exists primarily to serve physical cravings and impulses.
There isn't really any substance there for personal growth—it’s just a fleeting, somewhat relaxing distraction that bears absolutely no resemblance to actual real life.
steelridge58 steelridge58 Regular
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#2 ·
I have this one vivid memory from when I was just a little girl, back when my mom would go visit one of her girlfriends, and while the women were all gathered together for coffee in that classic, old-school small-town way, 😉 sitting there and catching up, we kids would just be out in the backyard running around and playing, and then, during one of those get-togethers, one of those women pulled me aside a little bit to show me something, holding up a card and asking me what I saw on it; what did I see?
And I just blurted out, "a finger in a mouth"

She just burst out laughing, while I stood there looking at her totally pale and confused because I had absolutely no idea why she was finding it so funny; she didn't even explain anything to me, she just—laughing the whole way—turned around and went right back to the group, probably to tell them the whole story and what I had said. Looking back and trying to reconstruct the scene in my head, I imagine someone in that group—probably while they were glancing through a deck of adult cards that maybe one of the husbands brought home from a business trip since he traveled so much—had warned them to make sure the kids didn't see that stuff, and then she probably just brushed it off with something like, "Oh please, the kids wouldn't know what they're looking at... let me go check!"

And so, it was immediately and undeniably proven that little kids truly have no clue what pornography actually is

😉)

Back in the day, before things changed so much, I remember how Dorothy Stratten (Traci Lords) once served as a representative in the Italian Parliament, and I recall her official visit to Boston where she sat for an interview with CBS, if my memory serves me right, conducted by Walter Cronkite, and she was so unmistakable because of her attire, which featured quite a bit of exposed cleavage. Nowadays, in what we call a supposedly democratic society, I honestly think they wouldn't even let her step foot inside one of our major government institutions, even though those places are often filled with nothing but heavy political filth anyway.

I suppose these are just some random side notes that only tangentially relate to the main point, but I really intend to stay on topic.

🙂)

By the way, I’d personally make a distinction between pure lewdness and genuine desire; I’d link lewdness to pornographic content, whereas desire belongs more to the realm of true eroticism.
steelridge58 steelridge58 Regular
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#3 ·
A somber Philosophy of Pornography*:

In their book A Billion Wicked Thoughts, two neuroscientists, Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam, conducted an extensive study of the internet by analyzing the digital footprints of over a hundred million men and women—using everything from search queries and site visits to the reading of erotic fiction as the foundational data for their research into pornography. Beyond just flooding us with raw numbers regarding how many people consume this content, Ogas and Gaddam actually included a massive collection of anonymous comments from users on various adult sites, detailing exactly why they seek out and engage with pornography in the first place.

From those scattered comments, you can actually pull out several core categories that seem to transcend cultural or national borders, forming what I might call a universal heritage of pornography that exists regardless of a user's background. We can think of these shared themes as a sort of brief philosophy of pornography; much like how we all agree on certain human traits—like self-awareness, the ability to laugh, or the capacity to learn a new language—which allows us to philosophize about the human condition, Ogas and Gaddam’s research suggests that pornography possesses these cross-cultural categories that are common to almost everyone who uses it.

Virtuality – When I say virtuality, I’m not just talking about what we colloquially call "online content"; rather, virtuality primarily refers to the absence of actual infidelity toward a real-life partner. There is a profound distinction between cheating in the physical world and cheating in the virtual world, because virtual infidelity is often wiped clean as an experience of betrayal in a psychological sense; it leaves a person believing that while physical cheating represents a visible, tangible shattering of a relationship, virtual cheating simply doesn't even make it onto the list of potential causes for a breakup because, in their mind, it didn't truly happen. Furthermore, virtuality implies the absence of that deep-seated internal guilt associated with doing something wrong or forbidden, because a non-existent world cannot generate real guilt, only a mere illusion of it.

Availability – Availability represents a negation of negation—essentially, the total lack of a negative response when it comes to sexual interaction. Availability is always and permanently present, not merely as a possibility, but as a constant reality that can be accessed and realized at any given moment, completely regardless of a person's mood or external circumstances. This availability takes precedence over almost any other human need, even when weighed against basic biological necessities.

To put it more bluntly: there is never any guilt or betrayal (virtuality), and there is always availability, right now, immediately, and forever (availability).

Simultaneity – Simultaneity – Simultaneity refers to the nature of the online content itself, specifically the ability to simultaneously access different websites and various types of content consisting of hundreds of different pornographic categories and subcategories (as Ogas and Gaddam note there are hundreds upon hundreds of them) that can all be viewed at once.

Boundlessness – Boundlessness doesn't refer to the sheer volume of gigabytes available, but rather to that internal feeling and perception that any imaginable fantasy can be fulfilled, because no matter how unreachable, unknown, or hidden a thought might seem, it can always be found within the vast landscape of pornography.

Anonymity – Anonymity in this context isn't about the digital privacy of not knowing what someone is searching for—in fact, the work of Ogas and Gaddam somewhat debunks the myth that internet users are truly anonymous since so much can be known about them—but instead, it refers to the possibility that one's actual thoughts can remain permanently hidden.

*The linked text provides more detailed explanations for each of these categories.
ruggeddriver21 ruggeddriver21 MemberOP
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#4 ·
Thanks so much, Volver, for such a thorough breakdown.
Personally, I can't help but look at this whole thing through a comedic lens. It reminds me of that classic Monty Python sketch where John Cleese plays a professor performing a live demonstration with his wife for a room full of students who couldn't care less about what's happening.

At this point, pornography has basically rebranded itself as a sort of "self-help tool."
When you think about how content creators target specific interests, most viewers are really just picking from a menu of available products based on a whim or an immediate physical urge.

The sheer ubiquity of adult content has actually made its presence feel deviant.
Creators are constantly hunting for new, wilder gimmicks just to grab attention or keep people from clicking away.
Relating that back to our own tastes, we’re essentially watching a performance that we feel indirectly involved in.
Of course, the vast majority of people will never—and would never want to—actually participate.
So, it’s pure fiction. It's all just theater right in front of your eyes.

There isn't any real artistic merit to be found here.
Everything is driven by the bottom line and the exploitation of human impulses.

kadkad, the content is so pervasive that it feels almost annoying because it doesn't touch upon any real substance.
It’s really just a form of entertainment designed solely to cater to an individual's solitary urges.
Olivia Smith2 Olivia Smith2 Active Member
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#5 ·
Everyone seems to be buzzing about Jordan Peterson's recent take—he mentioned how a twelve-year-old today can see more beautiful, fully naked women in fifteen minutes than an ancient king ever could, and he claims that’s a massive issue.

But what’s the actual problem here? Do these kids honestly think they're royalty—or is it just a bit sad to think those old kings never truly lived like that?
ruggeddriver21 ruggeddriver21 MemberOP
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#6 ·
Do you ever feel like porn has just kind of... warped our entire approach to sex and intimacy?
It feels like we've conjured up this totally distorted, hyper-intense version of reality just because people spend so much time clicking through endless tabs on their screens—it’s all just raw and completely unrealistic, isn't it?

I'm curious, though... what’s the actual fallout here? Like, how much is this stuff truly messing with the way the average person behaves in real life?
Robin Fox4 Robin Fox4 Member
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#7 ·
ruggeddriver21 said:I’ve heard some wild claim floating around that pornography makes up about 98% of the internet...
Either way, you can't escape it. It’s everywhere.
Just everywhere.

It feels like this massive, hyper-commercialized industry is just cranking out more and more content, relentlessly pushing itself into our digital lives.
The thing is, most of it is pure fiction.
You have these performers who are essentially playing roles, creating content both professionally and through their private personas, which has even ended up being analyzed in deep philosophical essays online.

I’m honestly not sure how to frame this topic without sounding a bit broad, but my general take is that porn exists primarily to serve physical cravings and impulses.
There isn't really any substance there for personal growth—it’s just a fleeting, somewhat relaxing distraction that bears absolutely no resemblance to actual real life.

I don't think it really accounts for that massive of a percentage, at least if you're looking strictly at links...
But if we're talking about prostitution, I suspect that 98% figure might actually be closer to the truth. Just to clarify my point here: prostitution shows up in almost every facet of human activity, not just when it comes to the literal sale of bodies. Of course, it's heavily intertwined with porn, but they aren't exactly the same thing. Visual and audio content meant to satisfy sexual urges has existed since long before modern civilization ever began. I remember reading somewhere that back in the days of early humans, it wasn't unusual for sexual encounters to happen right by the fire, almost like a public performance. You'd have a couple together, and their friends or family would gather around to watch. It was how the younger generation learned, and it certainly made it pretty obvious who the father was later on... quite efficient, in its own way 😍
Timothy Mitchell2 Timothy Mitchell2 Member
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#8 ·
Real question though... has all this endless availability just led to total burnout? I used to watch porn all the time, but now? Honestly, I'm just over it... too much of it is fake anyway 😳👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
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#9 ·
Robin Fox4 said:I don't think it really accounts for that massive of a percentage, at least if you're looking strictly at links...
But if we're talking about prostitution, I suspect that 98% figure might actually be closer to the truth. Just to clarify my point here: prostitution shows up in almost every facet of human activity, not just when it comes to the literal sale of bodies. Of course, it's heavily intertwined with porn, but they aren't exactly the same thing. Visual and audio content meant to satisfy sexual urges has existed since long before modern civilization ever began. I remember reading somewhere that back in the days of early humans, it wasn't unusual for sexual encounters to happen right by the fire, almost like a public performance. You'd have a couple together, and their friends or family would gather around to watch. It was how the younger generation learned, and it certainly made it pretty obvious who the father was later on... quite efficient, in its own way 😍

You're really stretching the definition of prostitution there.
Robin Fox4 Robin Fox4 Member
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#10 ·
Eric Newman75 said:You're really stretching the definition of prostitution there.

If you look at the actual impact on society, sexual prostitution in both its narrow and broader sense is honestly a much smaller evil than the other various forms of exploitation out there...
Jose Edwards16 Jose Edwards16 Member
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#11 ·
ruggeddriver21 said:Thanks so much, Volver, for such a thorough breakdown.
Personally, I can't help but look at this whole thing through a comedic lens. It reminds me of that classic Monty Python sketch where John Cleese plays a professor performing a live demonstration with his wife for a room full of students who couldn't care less about what's happening.

At this point, pornography has basically rebranded itself as a sort of "self-help tool."
When you think about how content creators target specific interests, most viewers are really just picking from a menu of available products based on a whim or an immediate physical urge.

The sheer ubiquity of adult content has actually made its presence feel deviant.
Creators are constantly hunting for new, wilder gimmicks just to grab attention or keep people from clicking away.
Relating that back to our own tastes, we’re essentially watching a performance that we feel indirectly involved in.
Of course, the vast majority of people will never—and would never want to—actually participate.
So, it’s pure fiction. It's all just theater right in front of your eyes.

There isn't any real artistic merit to be found here.
Everything is driven by the bottom line and the exploitation of human impulses.

kadkad, the content is so pervasive that it feels almost annoying because it doesn't touch upon any real substance.
It’s really just a form of entertainment designed solely to cater to an individual's solitary urges.

Well, I mean, there are always exceptions. Take the movie Malice in Lalaland (featuring S. Grey) from 2010, for instance.
Some quick info on the film: (just so we're clear, the links I'm dropping are just standard /YouTube and Wiki stuff, they don't lead to anything explicit).

Malice in Lalaland is an American porn Road movie that was released in 2010 by The Belgian label miss Lucifer in The distribution of Vivid Entertainment. Directed by Lew Xypher.

Most sex scenes are accompanied by music of The Belgian Southern rock band Aguardente.

Link

/It’s an American adult road movie from 2010, produced by the Belgian label miss Lucifer and distributed via Vivid Entertainment.
The director is Lew Xypher.
Most of the sex scenes feature music by Aguardente (some Belgian southern rock)./

Trailer - YouTube:
Yt

Visually, the movie is actually pretty well done—it has a plot and some actual tension. And, I guess, even though it obviously has sex scenes, you could almost watch it as a "regular" movie.
Basically, the porn elements are woven into the story rather than being the whole point. So, if the title sounds familiar because of some famous book, you're probably right—the vibe and certain scenes definitely call to mind strah i prijezir in Las Vegas. Plus, there's that rock soundtrack. 🙂
Robin Fox4 Robin Fox4 Member
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#12 ·
Jose Edwards16 said:Well, I mean, there are always exceptions. Take the movie Malice in Lalaland (featuring S. Grey) from 2010, for instance.
Some quick info on the film: (just so we're clear, the links I'm dropping are just standard /YouTube and Wiki stuff, they don't lead to anything explicit).

Malice in Lalaland is an American porn Road movie that was released in 2010 by The Belgian label miss Lucifer in The distribution of Vivid Entertainment. Directed by Lew Xypher.

Most sex scenes are accompanied by music of The Belgian Southern rock band Aguardente.

Link

/It’s an American adult road movie from 2010, produced by the Belgian label miss Lucifer and distributed via Vivid Entertainment.
The director is Lew Xypher.
Most of the sex scenes feature music by Aguardente (some Belgian southern rock)./

Trailer - YouTube:
Yt

Visually, the movie is actually pretty well done—it has a plot and some actual tension. And, I guess, even though it obviously has sex scenes, you could almost watch it as a "regular" movie.
Basically, the porn elements are woven into the story rather than being the whole point. So, if the title sounds familiar because of some famous book, you're probably right—the vibe and certain scenes definitely call to mind strah i prijezir in Las Vegas. Plus, there's that rock soundtrack. 🙂

S. Grey is actually a perfect example of this, because even though she isn't doing adult films anymore, she stayed in the sex work industry, or maybe even expanded her reach further...😁
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
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#13 ·
Robin Fox4 said:If you look at the actual impact on society, sexual prostitution in both its narrow and broader sense is honestly a much smaller evil than the other various forms of exploitation out there...

Look, I wasn't just talking about things being metaphorical here—it’s really about the total lack of clear criteria. To put it more bluntly, it doesn't matter what you personally decide counts as prostitution. It’s a purely subjective take that, in 99% of cases, someone who doesn't even recognize the phenomenon as prostitution will just flat-out deny. All you've done is prove the term itself is flawed and that you're basically pulling it out of thin air.
ruggedraven36 ruggedraven36 Regular
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#14 ·
Marx argues that all wage labor is basically just a form of prostitution. "Prostitution (in the traditional sense) is merely a specific instance of the universal prostitution of workers".
Robin Fox4 Robin Fox4 Member
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#15 ·
Eric Newman75 said:Look, I wasn't just talking about things being metaphorical here—it’s really about the total lack of clear criteria. To put it more bluntly, it doesn't matter what you personally decide counts as prostitution. It’s a purely subjective take that, in 99% of cases, someone who doesn't even recognize the phenomenon as prostitution will just flat-out deny. All you've done is prove the term itself is flawed and that you're basically pulling it out of thin air.

The real issue is exactly that—they don't see it. It isn't just about the semantics or what we call things. For instance, there were times in my own career where I felt like I was essentially selling myself, without ever realizing it fit the definition of prostitution. But once you actually sit down and lay all the facts out on paper, you realize that "prostitution" is probably the closest, simplest word we have to describe what was happening... it's pretty shocking when you think about it🙂
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
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#16 ·
Nah, once you actually sit down and put everything on paper, it becomes pretty obvious that you don't even really know your own language. Tell me exactly what you were doing, and I'll have no trouble at all finding you a term that’s more accurate, precise, and denotative. 🙂
Robin Fox4 Robin Fox4 Member
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#17 ·
Eric Newman75 said:Nah, once you actually sit down and put everything on paper, it becomes pretty obvious that you don't even really know your own language. Tell me exactly what you were doing, and I'll have no trouble at all finding you a term that’s more accurate, precise, and denotative. 🙂

you'd end up writing entire descriptive sentences or just having to invent a whole new term from scratch😁
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
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#18 ·
I wouldn't go that far. I’d say just selling out covers it—it's right there in the dictionary definition. It's an umbrella term for every sin you could possibly commit, from stripping away your dignity and ideals to straight-up betrayal.

People do all sorts of crazy things for a paycheck. You aren't exactly breaking new ground by realizing that capitalism was practically engineered to exploit that impulse.
Robin Fox4 Robin Fox4 Member
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#19 ·
Eric Newman75 said:I wouldn't go that far. I’d say just selling out covers it—it's right there in the dictionary definition. It's an umbrella term for every sin you could possibly commit, from stripping away your dignity and ideals to straight-up betrayal.

People do all sorts of crazy things for a paycheck. You aren't exactly breaking new ground by realizing that capitalism was practically engineered to exploit that impulse.

Not even close, though it doesn't really matter because there is a massive thread running on Reddit right now about Instagram influencers:
View on reddit
so many of these influencers pose with their kids and share these incredibly private moments from their family lives... if you were to ask the women over there, or maybe just run a poll on a parenting forum, what they actually think about this behavior—specifically how they would label it:
  1. selling out
  2. exploitation
  3. something much darker
  4. and so on

I've already seen which term comes up most frequently... 🕺
Casey Gomez Casey Gomez Active Member
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#20 ·
I recall being a bit of a degenerate myself... I mean, as a young adult, I was already diving into de Sade... it’s a little kitschy, sure, but honestly, who isn't? ☕
In truth, his logic is actually quite sound. ☕

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