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Struggling with discipline

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Jonathan Fowler14 Jonathan Fowler14 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2023
#1 ·
I’ve decided to finally tackle one of my biggest flaws: a total lack of self-discipline—specifically when it comes to pushing myself to get things done. At work, I don't have this issue at all; I'm like a machine, completely locked into the task at hand.

The thing is, motivation isn't actually my problem. It took me a while to realize that motivation and discipline are two totally different animals. Discipline is what actually "gets things done," whereas motivation is just that initial spark—that fluttery feeling that comes and goes whenever it feels like it.🤣
I have more than enough motivation to start new things. Throughout my life, I've jumped into so many different hobbies and interests... I'm curious about everything and love trying new stuff.

But there's still that struggle with discipline... specifically how my brain treats structure. No matter how many tasks I assign myself, how many goals I write down, or how much study time I schedule, my brain sees it as a threat and starts dodging it like the plague. I will literally come up with the most ridiculous excuses just to avoid doing something I committed to.

Now, I'm pretty stubborn and I don't give up easily, so this is something I've been battling for a while.
My lack of discipline definitely impacted my time in college. It wasn't a lack of drive, just pure discipline.

Since leaving school, I’ve actually achieved something I thought would be impossible. I taught myself a foreign language to a B2 level in just one year without any trouble, passing every test on the first try and consistently being one of the top students in my class. When someone else holds me accountable, I deliver. Even though school forced me to be consistent with assignments and homework, forcing *myself* to stay on track still feels nearly impossible.
Still, the sense of accomplishment is real. I know I can achieve things... but how do I make myself do it? How do I stop paying for classes or wasting time commuting? Every time I try to commit, my brain just goes into flight mode.

Without overthinking it, I’ve finally decided to dive back into programming. This is something I knew I wanted to do even before I left college. I have some basic knowledge from teaching myself on the side, but it all slipped away during those years of starting and stopping. I'd start, then stall, then start again. Well, the playing around ends now; I want this, and I've decided to go all in.

At 25, I finally have everything I need to jumpstart my career.🤣

I have the time,
a roof over my head,
money,
a killer computer and high-speed internet,
a solid foundation in IBM tech, and I understand computers and networking...
Access to a mentor available 24/7, for free.
And endless free or cheap learning materials online.

I have absolutely everything required to succeed.
Honestly, people with way less manage to pull it off... they have kids, they work full-time jobs, they don't have mentors... I have everything handed to me and the only thing missing is one damn skill:--
DISCIPLINE. Forcing myself to sit down every single day and put in a few hours of practice, reading, or listening—even when I'm sick or when something "more interesting" pops up.

So, I started. I picked up three online bootcamps for a bargain and downloaded a mountain of free programming e-books in English. And man, I can't imagine life without knowing English. To anyone reading this: THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SKILL YOU CAN POSSESS. Without it, you are so limited.

Here is my quick progress log:
Day 1: Starting out and the intro... kind of boring... there isn't much I didn't already know. Honestly, studying German felt more engaging.🕺
Day 2: I didn't feel like doing it, but I forced myself because I told myself I wouldn't quit on day two. I wrote out a strict schedule, but I'm already failing to stick to it. It's not going the way I planned.🙂
Day 3: I feel like a failure because I'm already deviating from my plan, and some topics are taking way longer than expected... but okay, this is getting interesting. I've decided to stop obsessing over my pre-set goals and just work as much as I can every day. As long as I keep moving forward, that's what matters.
Day 4... I’m stuck. Like, how? Where do I even start? How am I supposed to wrap this up if I don't get it? I can't move on to the next lesson until it clicks.
Day 5—I honestly can't wait to finish this part and finally dive into the next chapter 🙂
Day 6... What a disaster. I tried to power through my studies after taking some meds, but today was just rough. I have those couple of days every month where my brain just refuses to function, but I still managed to knock out a few lessons pretty quickly.
Day 7. Zero motivation right now because yesterday left me feeling like a total failure. Instead of spiraling into self-pity and procrastination, I figured I should better occupy my mind with more coding exercise -- discipline kicks in, staying strong&focused. {Then I realize, like a complete idiot... when I'm struggling, I feel like a loser. But that's just a feeling. It isn't permanent; it's temporary, and if I stay focused on my goals, it'll pass. How can I feel like a failure when I'm doing everything in my power not to be one??}
Man, it's funny how everything clicked perfectly during the exercises. I'm back on track.
Day 8. This is starting to feel like something I HAVE to do every single day.
Whether I'm reading, watching a video, or working through an exercise, it doesn't matter. I just HAVE to get it done.
Day 9. I stumbled upon a YouTube video about a guy who started learning to code at age 30. He studied for a year and landed his first job without any support or prior experience. He had been a bit of a screw-up his whole life, struggled in school, and was even a troublemaker... what drove him was his son; he wanted to become someone his son could look up to. Aww 🙂
But it wasn't easy—it took so much sacrifice and discipline, and he had to put everything else on hold.

Day 10. TODAY.
Woke up a bit late. Got an email about a potential job/project, and I have an interview tomorrow! Yessss 🎉 So many things to be happy about. I've cleared out my emails, notifications, and all that YouTube nonsense.

Finally started my own independent project! I finished three lessons and read the first chapter of the book.

Everyone... this is hands down the most consistent work I have ever achieved ON MY OWN, without any school, professors, or study groups. Just me. 🤣
It might not be exactly what I originally envisioned, but it's way more than I expected from myself.

How do you guys push yourselves, and how did you learn to be so disciplined? 🍿
wanderingbadger0 wanderingbadger0 Member
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joined Oct 2018
#2 ·
Bravo! Well done!🙂

I personally lack any sense of self-discipline; procrastination is practically my middle name. 🙈
I find myself doing absolutely everything except the task at hand, only to end up panicking at the very last second.🙄

I definitely realized this during a period when I was working remotely. I seem to require someone else to impose obligations and deadlines on me to ensure I meet them, because I simply cannot command myself to follow through...

On another note, I have recently learned that procrastination actually functions as a defense mechanism, something I wasn't aware of before.

A 2013 study by psychology expert Tim Pychyl and Fuchsia Sirius from the University of Sheffield demonstrated that this is actually a defense mechanism used to provide us with short-term mood improvement. However, as we all know, the long-term consequences are quite negative and serious.

When we delay an important task because we feel unable to cope with it—perhaps it is difficult, time-consuming, or vital to our career or life—we leave ourselves with less time to complete it later, which inevitably leads to stress. We also experience guilt because we realize we should have acted sooner, and we understand exactly why we didn't. This causes us to spiral into poor moods, engage in self-criticism, and erode our self-esteem. This loss of confidence can eventually lead to anxiety disorders, even panic attacks and depression.

The only thing that provides me with a modicum of discipline is writing my daily tasks down in a planner.

(Whenever I am browsing this forum, it is highly probable that I am procrastinating right at this moment 🤣)
John Palmer9 John Palmer9 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#3 ·
I’d probably suggest breaking things down into really short bursts, like telling yourself, "okay, I’m going to tackle this specific task for the next thirty minutes." Or maybe even shorter, like just fifteen-minute increments if you're having a rough day.
There are plenty of books out there about beating procrastination or building up some self-discipline, I suppose. I won't list them here, though, since I think the moderator prefers we don't drop book recommendations in these threads.
Jonathan Fowler14 Jonathan Fowler14 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2023
#4 ·
It’s been 11 days since I started this thread. I'm still going strong! 🤣🤣

I’ve noticed two specific things that really help me stay focused on my tasks or just get the ball rolling on studying.

If I wake up and immediately dive into things I actually enjoy—like gaming, YouTube, or bingeing Netflix—it becomes so much harder to force myself to work later. If I jump straight into my responsibilities first thing in the morning, my brain doesn't fight me nearly as much. Plus, there’s no lingering guilt or pressure because I don't have time to overthink it; I just start. There’s some theory about serotonin... basically, if you indulge too much in instant gratification, you become addicted to that hit, and your brain starts avoiding anything that isn't immediately fun. And let's face it, the entertainment industry is everywhere today—Netflix, YouTube, video games, social media... everything is designed to give you that quick dopamine boost.

I also remember reading about this technique in a book... where you're lying in bed, stalling, and you just decide to stop thinking and count down from ten, and once you hit zero, you have to get up. The more we dwell on starting something, the more excuses our brain finds to talk us out of it. So, the best move is to skip that mental loop entirely. Honestly, sometimes the hardest part is just the initial momentum.

I’ve started working on a personal project. I have a rough outline of what needs to be done, but some tasks take five minutes while others take two full days. Because of that, I stopped trying to estimate how long things take; I just focus on making progress every single day. It’s a pretty creative process, and since I'm still learning certain skills, things go from lightning-fast to painfully slow. For example, I spent all day yesterday just trying to animate some text so it wraps to the next line exactly where I want it to 🤣 As I mentioned, strict planning and scheduling actually backfire for me. If things don't go according to plan, I feel terrible, and that makes it impossible to get anything done.

And oh, music. It’s definitely better when I have my headphones on and can block out everything else. I can't quite explain why, but having that background noise helps my brain lock into what I'm doing. It’s almost like my subconscious is fighting against the sound, which forces me to focus even harder on the task at hand. I don't know, I can't really put my finger on 🙏 I realized this back in high school and used it constantly through college. My roommates used to think it was totally bizarre that I could study like that; they thought it was weird.😁
wanderingbadger0 wanderingbadger0 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2018
#5 ·
It is wonderful that you have discovered your own system. 👍 You have connected all the dots perfectly, particularly regarding the habit of skipping those morning tasks you actually enjoy; by indulging too early, you flood your brain with dopamine, which inevitably leaves you constantly craving more. That reward should ideally serve as the conclusion to the tasks you must complete, because if you grant yourself that gratification at the start, you will lack the necessary motivation to tackle what truly needs to be done.

That "5 second rule" you mentioned is actually from a book by Mel Robbins.

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