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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#2001 ·
Woman fined $350 for spray-painting "Thou Shalt Not Kill" from the $1200 Bible into the snow

https://zona.media/news/2022/07/06/ne_ubij

A district court in Vologda has handed Avgustina Sentulev a $350 fine for spray-painting anti-war messages in the snow, subsequently tossing her appeal. This whole situation was brought to light by Newsvo.

On March 18, Sentulev was found guilty under the Administrative Offense Law regarding the "discrediting" of the military. According to the court records, the offense stemmed from her writing "No War," "Peace," "NO WAR," and "Thou Shalt Not Kill"—that sixth commandment from the Bible. She reportedly used turquoise, green, and gray aerosol cans to stencil these phrases onto the snowy roadway.

By May 23, Judge Yevgeny Medvedchikov rejected the appeal Sentulev filed against the fine. He made it quite clear that, contrary to what the local resident might believe, the right to free speech isn't absolute here. In his view, the messages left in the snow constitute public "discrediting" of the Russian Armed Forces, which, despite being officially labeled as not participating in a war, are conducting "special operations."

Regarding the meaning of the messages—specifically "****, 'Peace,' 'Thou Shalt Not Kill,' and ****" concerning the events in Ukraine—the court ruled that the lower court was correct in determining they discredited the Russian Armed Forces, which aren't technically at war but are carrying out a special operation designed to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens while maintaining international peace and security, the ruling states.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
361 messages
joined Mar 2023
#2002 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:Woman fined $350 for spray-painting "Thou Shalt Not Kill" from the $1200 Bible into the snow

https://zona.media/news/2022/07/06/ne_ubij

A district court in Vologda has handed Avgustina Sentulev a $350 fine for spray-painting anti-war messages in the snow, subsequently tossing her appeal. This whole situation was brought to light by Newsvo.

On March 18, Sentulev was found guilty under the Administrative Offense Law regarding the "discrediting" of the military. According to the court records, the offense stemmed from her writing "No War," "Peace," "NO WAR," and "Thou Shalt Not Kill"—that sixth commandment from the Bible. She reportedly used turquoise, green, and gray aerosol cans to stencil these phrases onto the snowy roadway.

By May 23, Judge Yevgeny Medvedchikov rejected the appeal Sentulev filed against the fine. He made it quite clear that, contrary to what the local resident might believe, the right to free speech isn't absolute here. In his view, the messages left in the snow constitute public "discrediting" of the Russian Armed Forces, which, despite being officially labeled as not participating in a war, are conducting "special operations."

Regarding the meaning of the messages—specifically "****, 'Peace,' 'Thou Shalt Not Kill,' and ****" concerning the events in Ukraine—the court ruled that the lower court was correct in determining they discredited the Russian Armed Forces, which aren't technically at war but are carrying out a special operation designed to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens while maintaining international peace and security, the ruling states.

Man, the Russian system is absolute bottom-of-the-barrel trash... and mark my words, it’s going to crash and burn exactly like the USSR did. It'll just be a cycle where a bunch of lowlife vultures swoop in, find some new Vladimir to worship, and then—boom—we're right back at square one...😁

Honestly, if you actually support this Russian regime and their whole setup, you’ve gotta be either complete garbage or a total moron... and yeah, that includes all the pro-Vladimir Putin scum hanging around this forum too.😁
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#2003 ·
Now I have to ask about the Holodomor. It was brought up in another thread. You might recall Vladimir Putin claiming the connection is misrepresented when people say only Ukrainians suffered. So, I went to check the Wikipedia entry for context.

"In 2013, the Institute for Demographic and Social Research, named after the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, hosted an international scientific conference titled 'Famine in Ukraine in the first half of the 20th century: causes and consequences (1921-1923, 1932-1933, 1946-1947).' During this event, demographic loss estimates were presented based on published results regarding the 1932-1933 famine: deaths in Ukraine totaled 3,917,800 people, in Russia 3,264,600, and in Kazakhstan 1,258,200, totaling 8,731,900 across the entire USSR. Relative losses from the 1932-1933 famine were highest in Kazakhstan at 22.42%, followed by Ukraine at 12.92%, Russia at 3.17%, and an average of 5.42% across the USSR."
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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joined Jun 2024
#2004 ·
Tyler Bennett73 said:Since you're clearly dreaming away, here's some actual news for you.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/economy-news-update-example

Honestly, it’s not even that far from the truth. I mean, once you start passing laws that force private industry to basically act as an arm of the military—like being forced to supply labor whenever they feel like it—it kind of signals that the whole thing isn't really functioning like a normal country anymore. Maybe it's just me, but it feels pretty sketchy.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
104 messages
joined Oct 2010
#2005 ·
Oh, I see. So those statistics from Russia represent dead Ukrainians instead? Is that how we're playing it now?
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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joined Mar 2023
#2006 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:Now I have to ask about the Holodomor. It was brought up in another thread. You might recall Vladimir Putin claiming the connection is misrepresented when people say only Ukrainians suffered. So, I went to check the Wikipedia entry for context.

"In 2013, the Institute for Demographic and Social Research, named after the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, hosted an international scientific conference titled 'Famine in Ukraine in the first half of the 20th century: causes and consequences (1921-1923, 1932-1933, 1946-1947).' During this event, demographic loss estimates were presented based on published results regarding the 1932-1933 famine: deaths in Ukraine totaled 3,917,800 people, in Russia 3,264,600, and in Kazakhstan 1,258,200, totaling 8,731,900 across the entire USSR. Relative losses from the 1932-1933 famine were highest in Kazakhstan at 22.42%, followed by Ukraine at 12.92%, Russia at 3.17%, and an average of 5.42% across the USSR."

Look, this data isn't even right... I honestly don't get why you'd think a single source like that counts as anything legit.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#2007 ·
Because I don't trust anyone, I am attempting to figure this out myself.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
361 messages
joined Mar 2023
#2008 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:Because I don't trust anyone, I am attempting to figure this out myself.

Look, if you don't trust anyone, you're never actually going to wrap your head around anything...

The Holodomor was a massive tragedy involving so many people... yet you're acting like something said by a guy like Putin is actually worth considering. So, turns out you *do* trust someone after all, don't you? 😁
Rachel Barrett8 Rachel Barrett8 Active Member
155 messages
joined Apr 2023
#2009 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:Now I have to ask about the Holodomor. It was brought up in another thread. You might recall Vladimir Putin claiming the connection is misrepresented when people say only Ukrainians suffered. So, I went to check the Wikipedia entry for context.

"In 2013, the Institute for Demographic and Social Research, named after the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, hosted an international scientific conference titled 'Famine in Ukraine in the first half of the 20th century: causes and consequences (1921-1923, 1932-1933, 1946-1947).' During this event, demographic loss estimates were presented based on published results regarding the 1932-1933 famine: deaths in Ukraine totaled 3,917,800 people, in Russia 3,264,600, and in Kazakhstan 1,258,200, totaling 8,731,900 across the entire USSR. Relative losses from the 1932-1933 famine were highest in Kazakhstan at 22.42%, followed by Ukraine at 12.92%, Russia at 3.17%, and an average of 5.42% across the USSR."

The issue isn't just about the numbers; it's about the method used.
Unlike the other regions, Ukraine was the breadbasket of Europe.

They systematically took their food away and actually banned them from leaving their villages when there was nothing left to eat. This was a targeted genocide against Ukrainians. Estimates suggest that somewhere between 4 million and 8 million people died.
Chloe Nguyen21 Chloe Nguyen21 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#2010 ·
bluewalker6 said:If you can't specify exactly which technologies we're talking about, I’m going to assume you’re just talking nonsense...
Russia is a nation capable of manufacturing rocket engines for space flight.
And that—right there—is the pinnacle of technology. There isn't much beyond that.
There isn't a single piece of Western tech that they can't eventually master, or that the Chinese haven't already mastered.
Sure, Russia will face a recession and significant struggles, but they are simply a country built to weather those kinds of storms. They are arguably the most self-sufficient nation on the planet.
By its very nature, they possess the fundamental resources the entire world requires—resources without which no advanced technology is even viable.
Food, energy, a massive military... these are the ironclad determinants of any nation's survival.
That is why it is impossible to truly isolate them or destroy them...

Yeah, totally. They'll be the most self-sufficient place on Earth for the next 50 years... right next to South Korea.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
104 messages
joined Oct 2010
#2011 ·
Rachel Barrett8 said:The issue isn't just about the numbers; it's about the method used.
Unlike the other regions, Ukraine was the breadbasket of Europe.

They systematically took their food away and actually banned them from leaving their villages when there was nothing left to eat. This was a targeted genocide against Ukrainians. Estimates suggest that somewhere between 4 million and 8 million people died.

Understood. Thanks.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#2012 ·
Chloe Nguyen21 said:Yeah, totally. They'll be the most self-sufficient place on Earth for the next 50 years... right next to South Korea.

The catch is, people in South Korea don't know anything else. But how long can our people actually endure this?
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
361 messages
joined Mar 2023
#2013 ·
swiftjackal11 said:The catch is, people in South Korea don't know anything else. But how long can our people actually endure this?

How long does it take?

Look, Russia has been under a total media blackout for years... the dominant narrative is so deeply baked into the minds of most Russians, and when you factor in their historical baggage and being used to living under those kinds of conditions, I think it's pretty damn optimistic to think the "people" are actually going to step up and start something. I really hope I'm wrong, but honestly, I doubt it.

And you see a similar vibe in our own backyard—not quite as rigid as what's happening in Russia, but definitely hitting some of the same notes—with Mexico. When you read their news sites and stuff, you feel like you've stepped into another dimension or some parallel reality where all of Europe and the UK are supposedly falling apart, there's chaos everywhere, shortages are rampant, the Russian ruble is king, and basically the entire West is collapsing... meanwhile, Mexico is obviously just playing this super "wise" balancing act... and a huge chunk of the population is totally convinced that's exactly what's happening. It's wild, especially since hundreds of thousands of them are out there working in the US. In Russia, the whole situation is just cranked up to eleven.

I definitely wouldn't pin my hopes on some massive "people's uprising." Unlike pretty much every other socialist state, Russia didn't have that kind of movement back in the 90s... so I really don't believe it's coming now.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#2014 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:Look, if you don't trust anyone, you're never actually going to wrap your head around anything...

The Holodomor was a massive tragedy involving so many people... yet you're acting like something said by a guy like Putin is actually worth considering. So, turns out you *do* trust someone after all, don't you? 😁

What do you think when Lavrov claims Ukrainians have been shelling Russian civilian targets for eight years? I didn't rush to verify that. I haven't seen evidence that it's true, especially when following Russian data. I am well aware of the Western version of events—the "truth." But engaging with the Russian perspective for the sake of a minor debate doesn't mean I'm going to accept it.
Joshua Martinez9 Joshua Martinez9 Newcomer
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joined May 2022
#2015 ·
Well, the Russians have already kicked off one revolution, and if Putin folds, they might just take him down...

The real question is, does that mean Americans are fine with everything since they aren't protesting?

It’s even worse because they're being fed garbage every single day, so I guess they don't bother complaining...
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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joined Jan 2021
#2016 ·
Unlike when this whole thing kicked off, at least now we actually have a clue about what Putin is really after.
Plus, his goals have been scaled back lately—mostly because things just fell apart on the front lines.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#2017 ·
A friend of mine has a sister living in Russia. I am unsure if she was even permitted to speak over the phone, yet she hasn't voiced a single complaint.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#2018 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:A friend of mine has a sister living in Russia. I am unsure if she was even permitted to speak over the phone, yet she hasn't voiced a single complaint.

It’s basically just mercenaries fighting—mostly guys from the rural areas and small towns. It's all part of some calculated tactic.
If—or when—they actually start mobilizing people from the big cities, then things are gonna get...
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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joined Mar 2023
#2019 ·
Joshua Martinez9 said:Well, the Russians have already kicked off one revolution, and if Putin folds, they might just take him down...

The real question is, does that mean Americans are fine with everything since they aren't protesting?

It’s even worse because they're being fed garbage every single day, so I guess they don't bother complaining...

Yeah, Americans are doing totally fine. Honestly, we're doing way better than the average Russian... no matter how you measure it.

If things actually got desperate and needed drastic measures here in the States, it would happen, but it’s just not necessary right now. Plus, unlike what's going on in Russia, we actually have legitimate free elections where we swap out our presidents, governors, and mayors relatively often. It's the exact opposite of the Russian situation. So, yeah, you're basically comparing apples to oranges...😁
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#2020 ·
Joshua Martinez9 said:Well, the Russians have already kicked off one revolution, and if Putin folds, they might just take him down...

The real question is, does that mean Americans are fine with everything since they aren't protesting?

It’s even worse because they're being fed garbage every single day, so I guess they don't bother complaining...

Americans simply leave the US.
And Russians are leaving Russia too—especially the young people from the big cities; they actually get what's happening. Their parents? They just stay put...

https://youtube.com/c/MultiNfz

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