Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Kevin Murphy7 said:Look, man, if Russia dropped a nuke on Ukraine right now,
which other country would actually be willing to hit Russia back with the same level of force?

None of them.

Well... Ukraine.
Ukraine would find a way to shower Moscow in isotopes if they had to, one way or another.
The Ukrainians are resourceful traders—just look at the stuff being sold there that you can't even find in the rest of the EU. They’d surely manage to scavenge whatever radioactive material was left lying around in those old USSR stockpiles.

Justin Mendoza16 said:☕Intimidation? Please. This is just a bunch of lunatics attacking a sovereign nation. We need to kick them out of Ukraine and build a Great Wall on the border, not some version of the Berlin Wall...🙂

Don't get me wrong; I am not endorsing this style of "warfare." This is simply my perspective on the targeting of civilian infrastructure.

Eventually, there will be an accounting for all of this. Flexing your muscles against civilians is easy enough.

Jose Clark2 said:Aren't there plenty of military or infrastructure targets suitable for payback after losing an expensive precision missile? HIMARS supposedly hits military targets, not civilians, so why would the retaliation target civilians?

There are certain militaries that actually function like legitimate armies, and then there are those that operate more like organized crime syndicates.
The average informed person understands the tactics a mafia outfit uses to squeeze its targets, so I assume you have a decent grasp of how a criminal organization exerts pressure to achieve its ends.
We don't hear stories about the British, German, or American mafia running things this way.
We hear about the Russian mafia.
Only a few months ago, many people still viewed Russia as a somewhat orderly, civilized nation.
Now, most people realize that Russia is a state that operates entirely on mafia principles.
And does a mafia organization show any concern for civilian lives?
😁

The liquidations in Buči
Burying soldiers in Chernobyl
Shelling residential apartment buildings
Novichok attacks on political opponents
The deportation of Ukrainians (especially children) to Russia
Mass arrests of any Russian who dares to speak out against the war
Nuclear threats
Denying the existence of a neighboring country and its people
State television filled with caricatures during prime time
...

Honestly, I’m surprised they even bother targeting military sites. Rashists.

Timothy Williams5 said:There are certain militaries that actually function like legitimate armies, and then there are those that operate more like organized crime syndicates.
The average informed person understands the tactics a mafia outfit uses to squeeze its targets, so I assume you have a decent grasp of how a criminal organization exerts pressure to achieve its ends.
We don't hear stories about the British, German, or American mafia running things this way.
We hear about the Russian mafia.
Only a few months ago, many people still viewed Russia as a somewhat orderly, civilized nation.
Now, most people realize that Russia is a state that operates entirely on mafia principles.
And does a mafia organization show any concern for civilian lives?
😁

The liquidations in Buči
Burying soldiers in Chernobyl
Shelling residential apartment buildings
Novichok attacks on political opponents
The deportation of Ukrainians (especially children) to Russia
Mass arrests of any Russian who dares to speak out against the war
Nuclear threats
Denying the existence of a neighboring country and its people
State television filled with caricatures during prime time
...

Honestly, I’m surprised they even bother targeting military sites. Rashists.

It's basically a drug cartel with nuclear weapons.

Ukraine: 22 people have died in Vinica, most of whom remain unidentified. 46 people are still missing, and 55 apartments have been damaged.
Russia: That wasn't Vinica. They weren't civilians. And if they were—they were Nazi sympathizers.
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ
(video)

The reactions from the idiots on Russian social media to a photo of a little girl killed in the shelling:
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ

Big news out of Seoul. Korea just officially recognized the LPR and DPR.

brightheron64 said:

I was just sitting here thinking about how much things have changed lately, and I couldn't help but reflect on the sheer scale of everything we're witnessing... It really makes you pause, doesn't it? gentlestag15 says:
This isn't really the main topic at hand, but I just feel like we need to clear something up because there seems to be some widespread confusion on this point: a nuclear bomb and an accident at a nuclear power plant are two entirely different things...
The primary objective here is to trigger a massive explosion, one capable of causing widespread devastation and, if possible, completely leveling everything within the designated radius... As for the amount of radiation released, I’d say it remains relatively minimal, all things considered...
When you look at what actually happened, the truth is that everything stems from that initial explosion, and nothing else... In the case of Chernobyl, we’re talking about a steam explosion, to put it simply—so let's not get bogged down in the technical minutiae right now... Technically speaking, the explosion itself was relatively small, considering only one person died directly from the blast at Chernobyl, but the sheer volume of radioactivity released was absolutely massive, simply because there was such a staggering amount of radioactive material sitting right there inside the reactor...
The disaster at Chernobyl released a staggering amount of radioactivity because that fire and the constant venting of radioactive particles into the atmosphere dragged on for nearly two weeks... If we were looking at a nuclear bomb—especially a tactical one—the impact would have been significantly smaller, and the contamination would likely have remained limited to a much more localized area...
The lingering issue of local radioactive fallout remains a massive hurdle that isn't going away anytime soon, regardless of how much we hope... And honestly, if there’s any intention of deploying troops into the area following a tactical nuclear strike, I just can't wrap my head around how anyone could believe that wouldn't pose an enormous risk to them...

Exactly that...

All that talk about the wind direction is really just a bunch of nonsense... Sure, it would be much more ideal if the breeze were blowing toward the west, but honestly, it doesn't change the core of the matter at all...

When a bomb detonates, its effectiveness really comes down to how precisely it’s engineered; a better-constructed device triggers a much more efficient fission reaction, where the uranium or plutonium breaks down into lighter isotopes with half-lives ranging from mere milliseconds to several days... That’s exactly why, decades later, life in cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki has returned to a beautiful, peaceful normal...

What actually happened at Chernobyl wasn't just a simple nuclear explosion, but rather an explosive gasification process—starting from water vapor—that essentially scattered everything inside the reactor, from the isotopes created during the nuclear reaction itself to pure uranium, all over the area... Relatively light elements like iodine and cesium were carried as far away as Sweden, whereas the actual uranium from the reactor, which has a half-life of about 20,000 years, was too heavy to travel that far and instead settled within a relatively tight radius, mostly around Pripyat, which is going to remain a strict no-go zone for a very, very long time...

I’ve been debating whether or not to weigh in on this for weeks now... but I suppose I'll just go ahead and say it...

It is truly striking how Russian missiles seem to exclusively target schools, hospitals, daycare centers, nursing homes, and other civilian infrastructure... claiming women, the elderly, and infants in the process... whereas Ukrainian strikes seem to surgically pick off high-ranking Officers—mostly generals—along with weapon depots and military hardware.

Let's just pretend, for a second, that Russian weaponry is actually just subpar, which is why they accidentally level a shopping mall instead of a factory; yet simultaneously, the other side manages to be so incredibly precise even though they aren't strictly limited to their NATO arsenal (meaning even the local poultry farms are safe)... Honestly, all of this has become such a repetitive blur of "breaking news" and "updates" that I've stopped paying much attention to any of it, regardless of which side got hit or how sensational the headlines might be...

Given that Ukrainians have supposedly been committing genocide against the Russian population in the Donbas for the last eight years, one can only assume that civilian casualties are simply an impossibility.

Those few hundred survivors that Putin is fighting for were actually evacuated to Russia before the war even began, though I suppose such inconvenient facts are easily forgotten.

Timothy Williams5 said:Ukraine: 22 people have died in Vinica, most of whom remain unidentified. 46 people are still missing, and 55 apartments have been damaged.
Russia: That wasn't Vinica. They weren't civilians. And if they were—they were Nazi sympathizers.
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ
(video)

The reactions from the idiots on Russian social media to a photo of a little girl killed in the shelling:
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ

The "bold lie" is already a standard staple of Kremlin propaganda.

Just throw out two or three completely contradictory theories about the exact same event, and the morons will simply pick whichever one happens to suit their preferences best.

Anthony Hill5 said:Given that Ukrainians have supposedly been committing genocide against the Russian population in the Donbas for the last eight years, one can only assume that civilian casualties are simply an impossibility.

Those few hundred survivors that Putin is fighting for were actually evacuated to Russia before the war even began, though I suppose such inconvenient facts are easily forgotten.

if you're going to bring up genocide in the Donbas over the last 8 years.

A Russian actor actually exposed the propaganda.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/108945...0893411066798/

Timothy Williams5 said:Ukraine: 22 people have died in Vinica, most of whom remain unidentified. 46 people are still missing, and 55 apartments have been damaged.
Russia: That wasn't Vinica. They weren't civilians. And if they were—they were Nazi sympathizers.
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ
(video)

The reactions from the idiots on Russian social media to a photo of a little girl killed in the shelling:
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ

I guess I have to wonder where these kinds of monsters even come from, or what kind of complete morons they actually are. 🤮 It’s honestly hard to believe; just a total pack of psychopaths.

Timothy Williams5 said:There are certain militaries that actually function like legitimate armies, and then there are those that operate more like organized crime syndicates.
The average informed person understands the tactics a mafia outfit uses to squeeze its targets, so I assume you have a decent grasp of how a criminal organization exerts pressure to achieve its ends.
We don't hear stories about the British, German, or American mafia running things this way.
We hear about the Russian mafia.
Only a few months ago, many people still viewed Russia as a somewhat orderly, civilized nation.
Now, most people realize that Russia is a state that operates entirely on mafia principles.
And does a mafia organization show any concern for civilian lives?
😁

The liquidations in Buči
Burying soldiers in Chernobyl
Shelling residential apartment buildings
Novichok attacks on political opponents
The deportation of Ukrainians (especially children) to Russia
Mass arrests of any Russian who dares to speak out against the war
Nuclear threats
Denying the existence of a neighboring country and its people
State television filled with caricatures during prime time
...

Honestly, I’m surprised they even bother targeting military sites. Rashists.

To add to that:
brutal assassination of a political rival (Nemtsov)
raping women in front of their children
torturing pets
targeting other ethnic groups to protect ethnic Russians (basically ethnic cleansing)
killing journalists (Anna Politkovskaya)
denying attacks on a sovereign state
calling on a sovereign nation's military to kill its own president

There’s plenty more where that came from, just off the top of my head.

Timothy Williams5 said:Ukraine: 22 people have died in Vinica, most of whom remain unidentified. 46 people are still missing, and 55 apartments have been damaged.
Russia: That wasn't Vinica. They weren't civilians. And if they were—they were Nazi sympathizers.
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ
(video)

The reactions from the idiots on Russian social media to a photo of a little girl killed in the shelling:
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/sta...dKji-81I11PFzQ

It makes me sick.
They aren't even human; they're beasts.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/defense...-50256492.html

The conclusion is simple: heavy casualties.

nimbleharbor10 said:So, what’s the deal with the strikes on those apartment buildings in Vinica? Did they seriously lose their minds, or is it just a massive surplus of missiles they need to burn through? Are their rockets actually such garbage that they can't hit anything besides residential blocks? Maybe someone input the wrong coordinates while intoxicated? Does a criminal mind even see any logic in targeting civilians? It feels like they’re hellbent on wiping out every single Ukrainian, just in case those living further from the front lines happen to forget about the struggle.

Same old mindset. Just more barbaric hordes coming from the East.

Kate Lewis3 said:Same old mindset. Just more barbaric hordes coming from the East.

☕Same classrooms, same professors, same narrative... all cooked up by one central power hub—just can't put my finger on which one right now.🤣

And that guy Martic? Total joke. Now he’s rotting away in some high-security prison somewhere in Scandinavia...

Sandra Harris2 said:To add to that:
brutal assassination of a political rival (Nemtsov)
raping women in front of their children
torturing pets
targeting other ethnic groups to protect ethnic Russians (basically ethnic cleansing)
killing journalists (Anna Politkovskaya)
denying attacks on a sovereign state
calling on a sovereign nation's military to kill its own president

There’s plenty more where that came from, just off the top of my head.

It makes me sick.
They aren't even human; they're beasts.

Just to add some context here:
(since the start of the current administration)

John Doe
Jane Smith
Robert Miller
Sarah Jenkins
Michael Brown
David Wilson
James Taylor
Christopher Anderson
Matthew Garcia
Daniel Martinez
Anthony Robinson
Mark Thompson
Steven White
Andrew Clark
Joshua Lewis
Kevin Walker
Brian Hall
Edward Young
Ronald Allen
Jason King
Jeffrey Wright
Ryan Scott
Jacob Green
Gary Baker
Nicholas Adams
Eric Nelson
Stephen Hill
Larry Ramirez
Justin Campbell
Scott Mitchell
Brandon Roberts
Frank Carter
Gregory Phillips
Raymond Evans
Patrick Turner
Alexander Torres
Jack Parker
Dennis Collins
Jerry Edwards
Tyler Stewart
Aaron Morris
Henry Nguyen
Douglas Murphy
Peter Rivera
Walter Cook
Harold Rogers
Carl Morgan
Arthur Peterson
Lawrence Cooper
Roger Reed
Albert Bailey
Joe Bell
Christian Gomez
Austin Kelly
Jesse Howard
Will Ward
Billy Cox
Bruce Alexander
Bryan Hamilton
Jordan Graham
Ralph Sullivan
Roy Wallace
Eugene Woods
Wayne Cole
Louis West
Alan Jordan
Juan Owens
Christian Reynolds
Austin Fisher
Dylan Ellis
Ethan Harrison
Austin Powell
Mason Long
Logan Butler
Caleb Simmons
Noah Foster
Liam Bryant
Lucas Alexander
Mason Russell
Ethan Griffin
Logan Hayes
Mason Myers
Ethan Ford
Logan Hamilton
Mason Graham
Ethan Sullivan
Logan Walker
Mason Hall
Ethan Young
Logan King
Mason Wright
Ethan Baker
Logan Adams
Mason Nelson
Ethan Hill
Anna Politkovskaya
Robert Miller
James Wilson
Michael Taylor
David Anderson
William Thomas
Richard Jackson
Joseph White
Thomas Harris
Charles Martin
Christopher Thompson
Daniel Garcia
Matthew Martinez
Anthony Robinson
Mark Clark
Steven Rodriguez
Andrew Lewis
Joshua Lee
Kevin Walker
Brian Hall
Edward Young
Ronald Allen
Jason King
Jeffrey Wright
Ryan Scott
Jacob Green
Gary Baker
Nicholas Adams
Eric Nelson
Stephen Hill
Larry Ramirez
Justin Campbell
Scott Mitchell
Brandon Roberts
Frank Carter
Gregory Phillips
Raymond Evans
Patrick Turner
Alexander Smith
Jack Johnson
Dennis Brown
Jerry Davis
Tyler Miller
Aaron Wilson
Henry Moore
Douglas Taylor
Peter Anderson
Walter Thomas

Man, this guy basically wiped out the entire press corps in Russia...

Timothy Williams5 said:Well... Ukraine.
Ukraine would find a way to shower Moscow in isotopes if they had to, one way or another.
The Ukrainians are resourceful traders—just look at the stuff being sold there that you can't even find in the rest of the EU. They’d surely manage to scavenge whatever radioactive material was left lying around in those old USSR stockpiles.

They wouldn't have to look far, either. If anyone has the supplies, those folks at Chernobyl have enough for dirty bombs to last forever.

Justin Mendoza16 said:Man, this guy basically wiped out the entire press corps in Russia...

Honestly, just looking at this—it's a disaster.
The guy really needs to be ousted from office immediately.

@analogbear5 - 😲😲

This list is more chaotic than my grocery run when Black Friday sales hit 🙂

And BTW, regarding that question about who would retaliate with nukes if Russia pulls the trigger and the US stays out... it’s the UK.

Zachary Jackson4 said:https://english.nv.ua/nation/defense...-50256492.html

The conclusion is simple: heavy casualties.

Quite the definitive conclusion you've drawn there.
It’s almost as if you’re solving basic arithmetic for a toddler.

Let me try my hand at your logic. If military casualties are being treated as a state secret, it follows that the body count is massive.

Normally, nations involved in a conflict actually release their casualty figures.
Take Russia back in April when they admitted to 1,300 soldiers being wounded. That number was relatively small because they were willing to go on the record with it. Once a government admits to numbers, they've already mitigated half the backlash.