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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Henry Sullivan4 Henry Sullivan4 Active Member
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#7121 ·
gentlerider7 said:And even if they actually pull the trigger on mobilization, what's the endgame? You really think those million people are going to conquer all of Ukraine and then just march straight into Poland or New York City?

It’s honestly just impossible for them to pull 300,000 new troops out of thin air right now because you have to equip everyone and get them all synchronized, and even though people say most of the mobilized guys will already have combat experience, you have to wonder how on earth you find 300,000 veterans in a situation like this, especially since I saw a clip showing them recruiting Wagner types from prison and you really have to ask yourself if you can actually trust which way they'll point their guns when things get messy.🤣
James Chavez91 James Chavez91 Active Member
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#7122 ·
wanderingdriver68 said:First off, the scenario you're describing is probably what we'll see. Everyone is well aware that a direct collision between the major superpowers wouldn't end well for anyone. The only real wildcard would be if the Americans really push things too far with the Chinese over Taiwan; that's where things could hit a breaking point and lead to an actual direct confrontation, which would then give Russia the perfect opening to ride that momentum.

Alright. So, I have this theory (I’ve ranted about this before), where the Chinese side openly turns against Russia—basically siding with the West and slapping them with enough sanctions to force a Russian withdrawal.
-Just my two cents, mind you—I'm no geostrategy expert 🤣

If that actually worked, here is how I’d play it...
The US tells China, "Look, just back off Putin, lean on him, and make him retreat, and in exchange, we'll pull back our focus on protecting Taiwan." That could lead to a de-escalation in UA, lowering the risk of those scary nuclear games. You'd still get a China-Taiwan conflict, but one that doesn't trigger a nuclear Armageddon. And since Taiwan isn't exactly insignificant, it would leave China wounded and weakened, which—I guess—would ultimately satisfy the Americans.

There you go—everyone wins, right? Haha. What do you guys think? Should I give Joe Biden a call with this proposal? 😁
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
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#7123 ·
Henry Sullivan4 said:It’s honestly just impossible for them to pull 300,000 new troops out of thin air right now because you have to equip everyone and get them all synchronized, and even though people say most of the mobilized guys will already have combat experience, you have to wonder how on earth you find 300,000 veterans in a situation like this, especially since I saw a clip showing them recruiting Wagner types from prison and you really have to ask yourself if you can actually trust which way they'll point their guns when things get messy.🤣

The Russians aren't necessarily head-over-heels for Vladimir Putin, but let's be real—most of them are just totally checked out when it comes to politics. They've gone numb. But don't mistake that silence or the fact that nobody is hitting the streets protesting for loyalty or love. They're just tired.
Henry Sullivan4 Henry Sullivan4 Active Member
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#7124 ·
hollowdriver13 said:They’re just targeting specific groups disproportionately; once again, ethnic minorities are being treated like total cannon fodder.

In places like Buryatia, they’re literally snatching up college students right off campus to send them to recruitment centers.

https://twitter.com/ichbinilya/statu...21782805340163

Dagestan, Sakha, Yakutia

https://twitter.com/b_nishanov/statu...06547285721089

https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer/statu...66010713133057

"Directly mobilizing protesters isn't against the law" — White House

https://twitter.com/felix_light/stat...98928995057666

Even the tech bros aren't safe.

View on twitter

We used to call people like that "get lassoed" back when the draft was announced over there around September of '91.😉🤣
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#7125 ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:For the first wave, I imagine Putin will scrape together some old T-62 tanks and those ancient towed artillery pieces, maybe even requisitioning trucks from local logistics companies... hell, they might even manage to give every soldier a rifle...

Then for the second wave, they'll likely just hand out rifles, ammo, a few grenades, and maybe some RPGs...

By the third wave, it might just be ammunition. They'll probably have to scavenge for rifles from the fallen on the front lines just to keep going...

🕺

In the third wave, you'll find a Springfield Armory in Los Angeles within 7 days.🐔
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#7126 ·
James Chavez91 said:Alright. So, I have this theory (I’ve ranted about this before), where the Chinese side openly turns against Russia—basically siding with the West and slapping them with enough sanctions to force a Russian withdrawal.
-Just my two cents, mind you—I'm no geostrategy expert 🤣

If that actually worked, here is how I’d play it...
The US tells China, "Look, just back off Putin, lean on him, and make him retreat, and in exchange, we'll pull back our focus on protecting Taiwan." That could lead to a de-escalation in UA, lowering the risk of those scary nuclear games. You'd still get a China-Taiwan conflict, but one that doesn't trigger a nuclear Armageddon. And since Taiwan isn't exactly insignificant, it would leave China wounded and weakened, which—I guess—would ultimately satisfy the Americans.

There you go—everyone wins, right? Haha. What do you guys think? Should I give Joe Biden a call with this proposal? 😁


I don't see how Taiwan could hold out against China for any significant amount of time without Western involvement. Assuming most of their gear is Western-made, and they likely need outside raw materials for their own industry, I don't see how they'd maintain war production without Western logistics—especially if there's a Chinese naval blockade.

+ The political fallout of abandoning an ally

+ A much stronger Chinese military presence in strategic waters

+ Handing key technologies straight to the Chinese
Henry Sullivan4 Henry Sullivan4 Active Member
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#7127 ·
gentlerider7 said:The Russians aren't necessarily head-over-heels for Vladimir Putin, but let's be real—most of them are just totally checked out when it comes to politics. They've gone numb. But don't mistake that silence or the fact that nobody is hitting the streets protesting for loyalty or love. They're just tired.

Look, my friend, there's a much simpler, more efficient, and frankly more moral way to handle this; it would be a true relief for everyone if Vlad just had a nasty fall down some stairs or suffered a sudden heart attack while he's at it.🤣
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#7128 ·
James Chavez91 said:Alright. So, I have this theory (I’ve ranted about this before), where the Chinese side openly turns against Russia—basically siding with the West and slapping them with enough sanctions to force a Russian withdrawal.
-Just my two cents, mind you—I'm no geostrategy expert 🤣

If that actually worked, here is how I’d play it...
The US tells China, "Look, just back off Putin, lean on him, and make him retreat, and in exchange, we'll pull back our focus on protecting Taiwan." That could lead to a de-escalation in UA, lowering the risk of those scary nuclear games. You'd still get a China-Taiwan conflict, but one that doesn't trigger a nuclear Armageddon. And since Taiwan isn't exactly insignificant, it would leave China wounded and weakened, which—I guess—would ultimately satisfy the Americans.

There you go—everyone wins, right? Haha. What do you guys think? Should I give Joe Biden a call with this proposal? 😁

For Americans (and really, the rest of the world), Taiwan is far more significant than Ukraine.
There is zero chance the US would sacrifice Taiwan for the sake of Ukraine.
James Chavez91 James Chavez91 Active Member
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#7129 ·
bluemason3 said:I don't see how Taiwan could hold out against China for any significant amount of time without Western involvement. Assuming most of their gear is Western-made, and they likely need outside raw materials for their own industry, I don't see how they'd maintain war production without Western logistics—especially if there's a Chinese naval blockade.

+ The political fallout of abandoning an ally

+ A much stronger Chinese military presence in strategic waters

+ Handing key technologies straight to the Chinese

Well, damn. And here I was thinking I held the key to world peace in my hands. Guess not. 😳
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
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#7130 ·
Henry Sullivan4 said:Look, my friend, there's a much simpler, more efficient, and frankly more moral way to handle this; it would be a true relief for everyone if Vlad just had a nasty fall down some stairs or suffered a sudden heart attack while he's at it.🤣

Sure, but you actually have to be brave enough to pull it off; even nobody dared to take out Stalin.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#7131 ·
James Chavez91 said:Well, damn. And here I was thinking I held the key to world peace in my hands. Guess not. 😳

Glad you didn't try sending that directly to Biden 🧐
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#7132 ·
James Chavez91 said:Alright. So, I have this theory (I’ve ranted about this before), where the Chinese side openly turns against Russia—basically siding with the West and slapping them with enough sanctions to force a Russian withdrawal.
-Just my two cents, mind you—I'm no geostrategy expert 🤣

If that actually worked, here is how I’d play it...
The US tells China, "Look, just back off Putin, lean on him, and make him retreat, and in exchange, we'll pull back our focus on protecting Taiwan." That could lead to a de-escalation in UA, lowering the risk of those scary nuclear games. You'd still get a China-Taiwan conflict, but one that doesn't trigger a nuclear Armageddon. And since Taiwan isn't exactly insignificant, it would leave China wounded and weakened, which—I guess—would ultimately satisfy the Americans.

There you go—everyone wins, right? Haha. What do you guys think? Should I give Joe Biden a call with this proposal? 😁


Russia has plenty of headaches to deal with without needing to "sacrifice" Taiwan.
You know you're being toxic when even North Korea is telling you to kick rocks, and your only "allies" left are Iran and Belarus.

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/sta...96716301811712
James Chavez91 James Chavez91 Active Member
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#7133 ·
bluemason3 said:Glad you didn't try sending that directly to Biden 🧐

🤣 No real need—I'm pretty sure the CIA and FBI are keeping a very close eye on this thread anyway.😬
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#7134 ·
Kate Cook27 said:I still think the hardest hit will be the various republics. They'll be the ones getting mobilized.

Of course they will. In Burundi, entire classes are basically "recruited" on the spot.
Henry Sullivan4 Henry Sullivan4 Active Member
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#7135 ·
gentlerider7 said:Sure, but you actually have to be brave enough to pull it off; even nobody dared to take out Stalin.

I’ve already mentioned this before, but once a day Vlad has to head over to the loading dock for his shift, and the second he sits down, he's going to be flying in every single direction at once due to the sheer force of gravity.🤣
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#7136 ·
northernhawk33 said:How many opportunists from Ukraine fled all over the globe instead of actually defending their own backyard, only to sit around whining now?
It’s almost a given that tactical nukes will be used on Ukrainian soil—but who cares, right? It’s all at a safe distance from the US. Nobody gave a damn when they dropped nukes on Japan, either. As long as these people are dying and their land is being poisoned, it doesn't matter. All that depleted uranium will just sit there, ruining their soil and water until the local population pays the price. Meanwhile, the real puppet masters of war just keep stacking up the profits. ☕

It's close enough to Russia. Where exactly does Putin think he can hide? On Mars?
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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#7137 ·
hollowdriver13 said:They’re just targeting specific groups disproportionately; once again, ethnic minorities are being treated like total cannon fodder.

In places like Buryatia, they’re literally snatching up college students right off campus to send them to recruitment centers.

https://twitter.com/ichbinilya/statu...21782805340163

Dagestan, Sakha, Yakutia

https://twitter.com/b_nishanov/statu...06547285721089

https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer/statu...66010713133057

"Directly mobilizing protesters isn't against the law" — White House

https://twitter.com/felix_light/stat...98928995057666

Even the tech bros aren't safe.

View on twitter

And apparently, those who died two years ago weren't considered "safe" either.
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#7138 ·
I’m just not following the logic here.

Are they planning to drop a nuke first and then follow it up with 300,000 troops?

Or...

Maybe they send in those 300,000 soldiers first, and only then go for the nuclear option?
coastalbison6 coastalbison6 Active Member
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#7139 ·
silentnomad7 said:I’m just not following the logic here.

Are they planning to drop a nuke first and then follow it up with 300,000 troops?

Or...

Maybe they send in those 300,000 soldiers first, and only then go for the nuclear option?

Supposedly 1 million.
Man, who's going to bury all those people? 🤔
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#7140 ·
jadetinker85 said:It's close enough to Russia. Where exactly does Putin think he can hide? On Mars?

A tactical nuke doesn't have enough fallout on its own to threaten Russia. The real danger is the escalation and the political fallout.

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