Lisa Jackson7 said:Totally agree—it's all about expectations. We know what to expect from Russia and China, but we hold Western democracies to a much higher standard, which is only natural.
If the West makes mistakes or slips up, staying silent about it doesn't make us stronger—if anything, it just weakens us in the long run.
Exactly.
Freedom of speech and respecting private property are the very pillars of the West.
That’s why we can openly debate the West's failures here, unlike users on forums in Russia or China, who have to think twice before they type a single word.
And that's precisely why decent Ukrainians would want their country to be part of the EU.
analogbear5 said:As for what you claimed the EU asked of Ukraine—stopping trade with Russia—that's just straight up false.
It isn't a lie; it's just how things work.
When you join the EU, you have to move away from other trade deals and align your standards, tariffs, tax systems, and everything else. It's part of the deal.
Ukrainian industry simply wasn't ready for that kind of shift, and it would have collapsed instantly.
The EU isn't to blame for that failure—the responsibility lies with the Ukrainians themselves. That said, the EU really needs to get better at assessing the specific challenges within different countries (and I'm not just talking about Ukraine).