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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Amy Rogers6 Amy Rogers6 Active Member
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#1941 ·
Christian Torres3 said:If your only metric for good writing is being a pedantic philosophy nerd, then you’re missing the point entirely. You were talking nonsense before, and you're back at it again—acting like people have the memory of a goldfish and can't remember what you were spewing six or eight months ago.

Russia just blasted out some "victory manifesto" to every newsroom out there, and word is they’ve even got medals ready for when they "liberate" Kyiv. Meanwhile, the White House is absolutely shitting itself over the sanctions, but apparently, everything is perfectly staged and ready to go on their end. Most epic setup in history, clearly.

Since you’re clearly such a genius, why don't you explain how Russia managed to stay on its feet despite all those sanctions and massive pressure? They were supposed to have completely imploded within three months, right? At least that's what the big-shot Anglo think tanks were preaching at the start of the war. Honestly, looking at the sheer scale of the sanctions, I personally figured the Russians would be neck-deep in it—maybe even triple-dipping in crap—by now.

It’s like you guys all collectively lost the few brain cells you had left to pure fanaticism. There’s zero substance here—just mindless cheering. You sound exactly like the Russian agenda, just on the flip side of the coin. Honestly, that’s why I stayed away from this thread; you can’t find three smart people in here. It’s nothing but blind hype that completely ignores geopolitical reality.

I'm out. I'll leave you guys to your cheering and shouting. See ya this winter—assuming this war doesn't drag on forever. I'm actually pretty curious to see what you'll have to say about the global geopolitical situation once we're deep in it.☕
Amy Rogers6 Amy Rogers6 Active Member
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#1942 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Not even close. That’s a massive overshoot.

Fine. We'll see who's left standing soon enough—these trends should play out through 2023. If this war drags on...

Time will tell,

Later, tiger...☕
Amy Rogers6 Amy Rogers6 Active Member
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#1943 ·
mojneinen said:You're literally the only one cheering here.
I have to ask, why on earth are you rooting for an aggressor who’s tearing a sovereign nation apart and trying to erase its right to exist?

Look, if you're wondering who I'm backing in this Ukraine-Russia war, it's Ukraine. Period. Even if it's just because I'm an American, and as someone from a country with a heavy history, I'll stand up for international law—which is basically falling apart right in front of us. That's why I backed the intervention in Syria, too. But hey, clearly you aren't smart enough to see past the propaganda... whatever, man. Peace out.
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
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#1944 ·
Amy Rogers6 said:Since you’re clearly such a genius, why don't you explain how Russia managed to stay on its feet despite all those sanctions and massive pressure? They were supposed to have completely imploded within three months, right? At least that's what the big-shot Anglo think tanks were preaching at the start of the war. Honestly, looking at the sheer scale of the sanctions, I personally figured the Russians would be neck-deep in it—maybe even triple-dipping in crap—by now.

It’s like you guys all collectively lost the few brain cells you had left to pure fanaticism. There’s zero substance here—just mindless cheering. You sound exactly like the Russian agenda, just on the flip side of the coin. Honestly, that’s why I stayed away from this thread; you can’t find three smart people in here. It’s nothing but blind hype that completely ignores geopolitical reality.

I'm out. I'll leave you guys to your cheering and shouting. See ya this winter—assuming this war doesn't drag on forever. I'm actually pretty curious to see what you'll have to say about the global geopolitical situation once we're deep in it.☕

Look, nobody was actually out here claiming Russia was just gonna "fall apart in three months" or whatever
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#1945 ·
Man, we’re getting pretty close to that point where people might actually start saying the USA won the Cold War just because they decided to back off out of the goodness of their hearts... I guess.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#1946 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:Man, we’re getting pretty close to that point where people might actually start saying the USA won the Cold War just because they decided to back off out of the goodness of their hearts... I guess.

It is quite obvious that the USA didn't lose the Cold War—they certainly didn't—but if you've swallowed all that Western propaganda, that’s really your own burden to bear.
The USA chose to withdraw from its NATO allies of its own volition, and history has clearly shown how those nations regressed while Russia surged forward at light speed!
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#1947 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:Man, we’re getting pretty close to that point where people might actually start saying the USA won the Cold War just because they decided to back off out of the goodness of their hearts... I guess.

The reality is the USA blinked first, a fact the West swallowed up instantly. As for the true motives behind that move? That's a debate for another day.
Chloe Nguyen21 Chloe Nguyen21 Member
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#1948 ·
brighthound13 said:The EU has essentially been an American vassal since 1945, consisting of what used to be major European powers. The United Kingdom isn't quite in that same boat, though they’ve certainly had their fair share of friction with the USA, looking back at things like the Suez Crisis and various other historical clashes. As for Russia, what is there for them to break? If anything, Russia would actually prefer if the EU—specifically heavyweights like Germany and France—acted as a more independent force so that actual diplomacy could take place. But how can you really reach an agreement with someone who doesn't even seem to have control over their own backyard?

Look, the EU is probably the most developed and organized place on the planet, if that makes sense to you. They'll sort out the whole Russian energy issue within a year. During that window, we might see some kind of "crisis," but honestly, the biggest issue will just be that we won't have toilet paper in five different colors anymore, maybe just four... that's about it. Meanwhile, Russia is going to slide right back into the Middle Ages in pretty much every part of society. Crimea already cost them a few hundred billion dollars, so you have to wonder what this new adventure in Ukraine is actually going to cost them... probably trillions. Anyone thinking they can just make that all back by selling energy is, I guess, pretty delusional. Once you lose access to Western tech, they aren't pumping oil and gas at those levels ever again... ever. And another thing—once things stabilize in a year or so, oil and gas prices are likely going to crater because the big players (the ones actually using the stuff) will have moved on to other sources and other suppliers. My favorite part is when some economic lightweight tries to claim Russia is so powerful that its downfall means the West and its economy will collapse too. Russia is more like a tiny pebble in your shoe... you just stop, shake it out, and keep walking.
boldmarlin15 boldmarlin15 Member
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#1949 ·
Amy Rogers6 said:Since you’re clearly such a genius, why don't you explain how Russia managed to stay on its feet despite all those sanctions and massive pressure? They were supposed to have completely imploded within three months, right? At least that's what the big-shot Anglo think tanks were preaching at the start of the war. Honestly, looking at the sheer scale of the sanctions, I personally figured the Russians would be neck-deep in it—maybe even triple-dipping in crap—by now.

It’s like you guys all collectively lost the few brain cells you had left to pure fanaticism. There’s zero substance here—just mindless cheering. You sound exactly like the Russian agenda, just on the flip side of the coin. Honestly, that’s why I stayed away from this thread; you can’t find three smart people in here. It’s nothing but blind hype that completely ignores geopolitical reality.

I'm out. I'll leave you guys to your cheering and shouting. See ya this winter—assuming this war doesn't drag on forever. I'm actually pretty curious to see what you'll have to say about the global geopolitical situation once we're deep in it.☕


It’s hilarious how the Russia-haters are threatening them with a cold winter while ignoring how that winter is actually going to look in Russia.

Sanctions have hammered the Russian economy hard. Once their stockpiles of "Western" goods run dry, you're going to see panic. And I'm not talking about McDonald's; I'm talking about the tech without which Russian industry simply stops working.

The real consequences haven't even hit yet. If this war doesn't wrap up by late summer, Russia gets wiped from every corporate roadmap for next year. They become a write-off on balance sheets, and everyone will think twice before ever looking at that market again. A huge chunk of the Russian middle class will be jobless and broke by autumn. If Europe runs into trouble, believe me, you'll see a massive wave of Russophobia after summer. Don't be surprised when visas get revoked and people get sent back home.

If the kleptomaniac in the White House doesn't wise up, a new wall goes up and nobody will be doing business with Russians for the next 50 years. Don't worry, West... you'll survive. If you can't survive without writing off a wreck like Russia, you don't deserve to.
bluewalker6 bluewalker6 Newcomer
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#1950 ·
If Russia hasn't been gearing up for this entire scenario, then the EU has certainly been meticulously preparing for its own self-destruction.

Back in 2014, Russia was actually one of the world's massive grain and food importers—fast forward to today, and they’ve pivoted to being one of the top global exporters.

Meanwhile, we’re watching absolute chaos erupt on the streets of the Netherlands—which, let's not forget, is one of the largest food producers in the EU—simply because their government decided to shut down 50% of its farms. Apparently, the cows are farting too much and destroying the ozone layer... or whatever excuse they're using this week.
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#1951 ·
It’s kinda funny to me how the people here pushing the Russian agenda love using phrases like "she decided," "they're bombing," or "exactly" and stuff like that 🙂
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#1952 ·
bluewalker6 said:If Russia hasn't been gearing up for this entire scenario, then the EU has certainly been meticulously preparing for its own self-destruction.

Back in 2014, Russia was actually one of the world's massive grain and food importers—fast forward to today, and they’ve pivoted to being one of the top global exporters.

Meanwhile, we’re watching absolute chaos erupt on the streets of the Netherlands—which, let's not forget, is one of the largest food producers in the EU—simply because their government decided to shut down 50% of its farms. Apparently, the cows are farting too much and destroying the ozone layer... or whatever excuse they're using this week.

Sure, in a world drowning in colorful propaganda, what you wrote sounds perfectly reasonable.
But does it actually match reality?
Best,
bluewalker6 bluewalker6 Newcomer
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#1953 ·
boldmarlin15 said:It’s hilarious how the Russia-haters are threatening them with a cold winter while ignoring how that winter is actually going to look in Russia.

Sanctions have hammered the Russian economy hard. Once their stockpiles of "Western" goods run dry, you're going to see panic. And I'm not talking about McDonald's; I'm talking about the tech without which Russian industry simply stops working.

The real consequences haven't even hit yet. If this war doesn't wrap up by late summer, Russia gets wiped from every corporate roadmap for next year. They become a write-off on balance sheets, and everyone will think twice before ever looking at that market again. A huge chunk of the Russian middle class will be jobless and broke by autumn. If Europe runs into trouble, believe me, you'll see a massive wave of Russophobia after summer. Don't be surprised when visas get revoked and people get sent back home.

If the kleptomaniac in the White House doesn't wise up, a new wall goes up and nobody will be doing business with Russians for the next 50 years. Don't worry, West... you'll survive. If you can't survive without writing off a wreck like Russia, you don't deserve to.

Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#1954 ·
bluewalker6 said:Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.

Exactly. Just imagine if America decided to ditch Western tech altogether. What exactly would be left, or what could they even get from Russia?

bluewalker6 said:Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.

Precisely.
We're talking about giants that can easily afford to write off a relatively impoverished Russian market.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#1955 ·
bluewalker6 said:Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.

The Russian economy is pretty pathetic to begin with, so it's not like the market is going to miss them too much.
boldmarlin15 boldmarlin15 Member
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#1956 ·
bluewalker6 said:Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.

Then there's the chips... I know you'll find it hard to "believe," but they actually get used up. Every once in a while, they need to be replaced. Think of it like a lightbulb, just way more advanced and significantly more expensive.

Those balance sheet losses are already wiped out by inflation. 😉
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#1957 ·
bluewalker6 said:Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.

The issue isn't the immediate losses—they’ll write them off, cover the deficit, and move on. They might even open new plants elsewhere to offset the impact, though someone else will likely reap those profits. Since most of those facilities were specifically geared toward supplying the Russian domestic market, finding comparable replacement capacity won't be easy.
The real reckoning comes when Russia eventually decides to reopen its doors. At that point, these companies will have to weigh whether returning is actually worth the headache. That decision will hinge on what happens to the assets they left behind and whether the potential upside can actually outweigh the past losses and the glaringly high operational risks compared to other markets.
This isn't some unprecedented scenario for foreign firms operating there. Look at the oil majors; they faced a similar fate when the Bolsheviks brought revolution to the Caspian Sea and kicked the international oil giants out. For the most part, those companies didn't set foot back in Russia until the collapse of the USSR. There was a brief period of hesitation, but eventually, they returned—though this time they did so "voluntarily," by legally selling off their stakes to local players.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#1958 ·
bluewalker6 said:Is "technologies" really the right way to frame it?

Quincy:
The consequences of these sanctions haven't even fully hit yet. If this war drags on past the end of summer, Russia will be completely wiped from the long-term planning of major corporations for next year—they'll become nothing more than write-offs on a balance sheet, making everyone think twice before ever attempting to touch that market again.
Besides, most of those companies have enough cash reserves to absorb the blow—any losses on their balance sheets from abandoning the Russian market will be absolutely negligible.

https://www.nytimes.com/news/example-link-placeholder

- After stripping down seized Russian weapons found in Ukraine, investigators discovered that the core technological components were actually made from parts sourced from companies based in the US and the European Union. We're talking semiconductors, microchips, antennas, and all that gear—according to American ammunition and military equipment researchers following a week-long trip to Ukraine. They essentially used specialized tools, magnifying glasses, and screwdrivers just to take everything apart down to the smallest nut and bolt.

- Advanced Russian weaponry and communication systems are being built using Western chips—Damian Spleeters, an investigator with Conflict Armament Research, told The New York Times.

For years, American officials have been patting themselves on the back, boasting about how Western nations supply the rest of the world with cutting-edge tech and munitions. But now, in the wake of the invasion of Ukraine, the US is staring down a rather uncomfortable reality: the high-tech hardware being wielded by Russian forces was actually enabled by American innovation.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/example-link-placeholder
Western economic sanctions and export controls will likely deal a massive blow to Russia's production of advanced fighter jets, naval vessels, and those space capabilities the Kremlin desperately needs to modernize its military, according to Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, as reported by Foreign Policy.

The Pentagon and various Western governments have been pointing out for weeks now that Russia is struggling to replenish its stockpiles of precision-guided munitions—the kind that rely on foreign-made computer chips and guidance systems to hit their targets—which has had a major impact on the Russian war effort in Ukraine.
bluewalker6 bluewalker6 Newcomer
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#1959 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:Exactly. Just imagine if America decided to ditch Western tech altogether. What exactly would be left, or what could they even get from Russia?

Precisely.
We're talking about giants that can easily afford to write off a relatively impoverished Russian market.

If you can't specify exactly which technologies we're talking about, I’m going to assume you’re just talking nonsense...
Russia is a nation capable of manufacturing rocket engines for space flight.
And that—right there—is the pinnacle of technology. There isn't much beyond that.
There isn't a single piece of Western tech that they can't eventually master, or that the Chinese haven't already mastered.
Sure, Russia will face a recession and significant struggles, but they are simply a country built to weather those kinds of storms. They are arguably the most self-sufficient nation on the planet.
By its very nature, they possess the fundamental resources the entire world requires—resources without which no advanced technology is even viable.
Food, energy, a massive military... these are the ironclad determinants of any nation's survival.
That is why it is impossible to truly isolate them or destroy them...
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
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#1960 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:It’s kinda funny to me how the people here pushing the Russian agenda love using phrases like "she decided," "they're bombing," or "exactly" and stuff like that 🙂

It’s almost funny to remember how even someone like Franjo was practically beaming after getting just five minutes of face time with Clinton...

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