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Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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#5001 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Of course. This brainless Netflix generation thinks switching out a gas station is like a video game. "Oh, we won't buy from Russia, we'll just buy from someone else, voila! Problem solved." 🤦

And it goes even deeper than that. You have this crowd constantly obsessing over how 100% of oil is processed specifically for internal combustion engines. Man, if that were actually the case, maybe we wouldn't be dealing with this war, or half the conflicts we've seen in the past. 🤣🤣
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#5002 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Of course. This brainless Netflix generation thinks switching out a gas station is like a video game. "Oh, we won't buy from Russia, we'll just buy from someone else, voila! Problem solved." 🤦

It honestly feels like that’s exactly how you all see it. Russia cuts ties with the West, pivots toward China, and suddenly everything is fine. It doesn't work that way for Netflix subscribers. Replacing an entire energy supply is going to be a lot more complicated than just switching gas stations...
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#5003 ·
Smith commented on President Zoran Milanović’s recent remark, where he suggested that we won't see any real solutions for inflation until the crisis in Ukraine is finally resolved.

"It certainly plays a role, though if you listen to the experts, they'll tell you that fuel prices aren't just a direct result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine—it's largely market speculation in the oil sector. I wouldn't necessarily agree that the war in Ukraine is the sole driver behind these skyrocketing oil prices; you also have to consider the politics surrounding the cheap dollar. It's all part of a much broader analysis, really. This isn't looking good for political leaders in the West, because we're seeing that a strategy built entirely on sanctions against Russia isn't going to stop them," Smith noted.

I wish we could hear some different perspectives around here instead of everyone just staying silent in this echo chamber.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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joined Feb 2011
#5004 ·
William Anderson5 said:It honestly feels like that’s exactly how you all see it. Russia cuts ties with the West, pivots toward China, and suddenly everything is fine. It doesn't work that way for Netflix subscribers. Replacing an entire energy supply is going to be a lot more complicated than just switching gas stations...

Yeah, looking at what’s being presented here, it's clear how well your little Netflix plan is working out. Prices are skyrocketing, inflation is out of control, and Russia is making moves on the battlefield. Everything is going according to plan, except for the fact that your plan was total garbage to begin with.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#5005 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Yeah, looking at what’s being presented here, it's clear how well your little Netflix plan is working out. Prices are skyrocketing, inflation is out of control, and Russia is making moves on the battlefield. Everything is going according to plan, except for the fact that your plan was total garbage to begin with.

There’s no inflation in Russia, and despite that terrible initial push toward Kyiv, they've staged a heroic comeback on the battlefield and are now sitting just 500 kilometers from Kyiv.

Putin is playing six-dimensional chess with the West, and over on Russian Netflix, Russia is outpacing the West in every single category. We'll probably see mass migrations of Europeans to Russia soon; Lithuania has already started building fences just to stop Lithuanians from fleeing to Russia...
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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#5006 ·
The Ukrainians managed to hold Kyiv before the second round of sanctions even kicked in, so you can pretty much set those arguments aside now. ☕
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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joined Feb 2011
#5007 ·
William Anderson5 said:There’s no inflation in Russia, and despite that terrible initial push toward Kyiv, they've staged a heroic comeback on the battlefield and are now sitting just 500 kilometers from Kyiv.

Putin is playing six-dimensional chess with the West, and over on Russian Netflix, Russia is outpacing the West in every single category. We'll probably see mass migrations of Europeans to Russia soon; Lithuania has already started building fences just to stop Lithuanians from fleeing to Russia...

Entering a war of attrition against the Russians is an idiotic move—it always has been, and it always will be. ☕

You think you can win like this? If someone pulled the plug on your Netflix, you'd be running to your mother crying. 🤣
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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joined Apr 2022
#5008 ·
William Anderson5 said:It honestly feels like that’s exactly how you all see it. Russia cuts ties with the West, pivots toward China, and suddenly everything is fine. It doesn't work that way for Netflix subscribers. Replacing an entire energy supply is going to be a lot more complicated than just switching gas stations...

Plus, this whole "pivot to China" plan is built on shaky ground. Apple is leaving, and Russia is too.
quietviper0 quietviper0 Member
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#5009 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:I don't understand what quietviper0 thinks they have proven here.

The drop from 35 to 30 in the EU seems at first glance to be linked to the year sanctions were imposed on Russia over Crimea. However, given the subsequent rally, there may be no correlation.

I will not act as a "convenient economist" by diving into the granular details.
My only question is this: would the Russians retreat into a hole if energy prices plummeted threefold, or was it specifically due to the sanctions?

I am making no definitive claims, as that would require deeper research; therefore, I will defer to your response.

You’ve presented a chart showing Brent crude alongside Russia's nominal GDP in dollars, and you're drawing a direct correlation between them. By that same logic, our own domestic charts could look just as similar... It probably would have been more insightful if you'd pointed out that oil plays such a massive role in the Russian GDP to begin with...

Beyond that, there are countless other factors at play, and when you're looking at GDP in dollars, the exchange rate of your local currency against the dollar has a huge impact, so it isn't always the most reliable indicator of actual economic health... In fact, questioning the gap between 16 trillion and 10 trillion doesn't carry much weight, especially considering how the entire EU is struggling just to get back to its 2008 economic levels—we haven't really moved the needle in fifteen years, and back in 2015, we saw a massive plunge in GDP as well...

Purchasing power parity is generally a much more meaningful metric to track:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...-US&start=2000
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#5010 ·
It honestly feels like Russia is making massive strides in every single direction lately, while the European Union and the United States just seem to be sliding backward.

People over in Russia can't even download Windows 10 or 11 anymore.
It looks like Microsoft might have quietly expanded their sanctions against Russia behind the scenes, because ever since this past weekend, trying to grab those Windows ISO files from their official sites has become basically impossible over there.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#5011 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:The Ukrainians managed to hold Kyiv before the second round of sanctions even kicked in, so you can pretty much set those arguments aside now. ☕

True enough. Since sanctions actually end up strengthening Russia, they're coming out much stronger after this sixth package. Just look at the Russians in Lviv...
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#5012 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Of course. This brainless Netflix generation thinks switching out a gas station is like a video game. "Oh, we won't buy from Russia, we'll just buy from someone else, voila! Problem solved." 🤦

Even if I don't belong to that group you so condescendingly label the "idiotic Netflix generation," I still wouldn't agree with such a label. In fact, I think that description actually fits the generation that both you and I clearly belong to. If anyone is out there making total messes of things—and continues to do so—then they aren't the idiots raised on Netflix, are they?

Perhaps if Putin had been raised by a generation that wasn't constantly being insulted and looked down upon, he wouldn't have turned to Hitler and Stalin as his role models. Is it really any wonder? When you spend an entire lifetime feeling disrespected, don't you start looking for the most brutal ways to demand respect back?
It seems like you might have hit "send" a little too early! I was expecting a full thought or a specific topic to dive into, but all I got was "Lp." Are we talking about Long Play records? Low pressure? Or did your keyboard just decide to take an unprovoked break? Whatever it is, don't leave me hanging—lay it out for me. What’s on your mind?
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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#5013 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Entering a war of attrition against the Russians is an idiotic move—it always has been, and it always will be. ☕

You think you can win like this? If someone pulled the plug on your Netflix, you'd be running to your mother crying. 🤣

Maybe try picking up a book about the Cold War once in a while.

But I guess actual literature is a foreign concept to you YouTube conspiracy theorists...
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#5014 ·
William Anderson5 said:Maybe try picking up a book about the Cold War once in a while.

But I guess actual literature is a foreign concept to you YouTube conspiracy theorists...

We aren't even talking about "conspiracy theorists" anymore; we're dealing with pure mythomania, which is just what happens when people can't handle their own failures.
When you're facing truth backed by hard arguments, fighting against mythomania and these baseless theories is a complete waste of breath.
Best,
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#5015 ·
I mean, apparently the Netflix generation is calling all the shots now. It’s wild. It’s like this whole bunch of old-timers who should probably be looking into assisted living or planning their retirement should just blame everything on the Netflix generation instead.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#5016 ·
William Anderson5 said:Maybe try picking up a book about the Cold War once in a while.

But I guess actual literature is a foreign concept to you YouTube conspiracy theorists...

Got any other references regarding the depletion of Russia, or are we just stuck with this one?
Can you even begin to grasp how much ground you're going to lose? Go find some group on Netflix under Documentaries!
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#5017 ·
goldenowl73 said:It honestly feels like Russia is making massive strides in every single direction lately, while the European Union and the United States just seem to be sliding backward.

People over in Russia can't even download Windows 10 or 11 anymore.
It looks like Microsoft might have quietly expanded their sanctions against Russia behind the scenes, because ever since this past weekend, trying to grab those Windows ISO files from their official sites has become basically impossible over there.

They can't do it legally, and they weren't doing it legally before either. 😁
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#5018 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Got any other references regarding the depletion of Russia, or are we just stuck with this one?
Can you even begin to grasp how much ground you're going to lose? Go find some group on Netflix under Documentaries!

World War I.

The issue isn't just that entering a war of attrition against Russia might be unwise; it’s that Russia consistently loses these types of conflicts with disastrous consequences. Historically speaking, the most massive geopolitical shifts in civilization have almost always been triggered by Russia suffering a catastrophic defeat through exhaustion...

It seems that, contrary to popular belief, it might actually be a viable recipe for success...
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#5019 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Got any other references regarding the depletion of Russia, or are we just stuck with this one?
Can you even begin to grasp how much ground you're going to lose? Go find some group on Netflix under Documentaries!

When you're dealing with pure myth-making, what's the point in trying to counter it with references? Facts don't mean anything to someone living in a fantasy world.
Best,
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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#5020 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:They can't do it legally, and they weren't doing it legally before either. 😁

Exactly. Both Russians and Ukrainians have basically pioneered the art of piracy. Though, honestly? A much smarter move might be to just block every single phone in Russia from accessing Google servers entirely. Just wipe all the Google accounts, ban access to iCloud, delete every Apple ID, and brick every iPhone, iPad, and Mac out there. It would cost the Americans a fortune in lost revenue, sure—but man, imagine how satisfying that would be...

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