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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Participants Matthew Rodriguez9William Anderson5Lisa Jackson7Jeremy Peterson4driftingtinkerSam Wright21electrichawk94urbanottervelvetcyclist95Charles Fox10granitebadger24Frank Nguyen37wiredwolf13hollowwalker24gentleharbor3gentlecrane8Bradley Kingbluerider63Grace Bennett6Betty Murphy3William Clark86silentsurfer3hollowdriver13ironranger67 …
Douglas Davis4 Douglas Davis4 Member
43 messages
joined Nov 2020
#1561 ·
Both of those kids are right there in Kyiv.. they're showing their faces, and honestly, hats off to them
They could have been chilling and blowing through cash in Germany
And then you hear those KGB types rambling about how... Ukraine isn't even a real nation
Man, they really screwed up big time
placidrider48 placidrider48 Active Member
84 messages
joined Oct 2011
#1562 ·
I guess even a crazy sultan can be useful for something, if you think about it.
Michael Davis10 Michael Davis10 Active Member
55 messages
joined Feb 2022
#1563 ·
William Anderson5 said:Why wouldn't they? International law basically doesn't mean much anymore when you're dealing with Russia...

https://www.euractiv.de/section/all/...en-durchfahrt/

Turkey denied it
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
219 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1564 ·
Rachel Allen55 said:Sanctioning Russia just makes them feel even more independent from everyone else. What are you even going to have left to use for sanctions next time?

Everything needs balance. Even this whole situation is a delicate balancing act. Do people honestly think Americans are ready to start seeing layoffs because of these sanctions? First, it’ll be direct hits on companies doing business with Russia, and then it spirals—indirectly, then again indirectly—as businesses in other countries shut down, eventually triggering a massive crisis within the West.

And don't even get me started on the refugee issue. You'll end up with representatives in government who will have plenty to say, much like the folks in Denmark, whether it's the New Citizenry types or that nutjob Paludan. If you could hear their ideologies... they spout all this nonsense about Aryan races and claiming you're only "true" American if your family tree is 80% local heritage, counting grandparents and all that.

Am I really supposed to want a lunatic or a party like that sitting in our Parliament just because of Ukraine? To me, Ukraine isn't worth that much; it's an oligarchic state where a handful of people run the show, corruption is everywhere, and they still have some glaring questions left over from the USSR era that haven't been cleared up.

If nationalism starts taking over in the West, both the EU and NATO are toast. You wouldn't find two countries within the EU that could actually agree on anything. And all of this just for Ukraine?

What has Ukraine actually contributed to Western prosperity? Seriously, what? Nothing.

If that's the case, why didn't the Russians just sanction themselves? Didn't they want to get stronger...
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1565 ·
Dennis Davis8 said:Petro Poroshenko stands there in front of a CNN camera acting like some kind of legendary hero—it’s honestly a joke. Just a total soap opera.
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If you look at the secret Jewish agenda laid out in The New York Times, the whole goal becomes crystal clear: they’re trying to establish a second Jewish state, which explains why the political chaos in Ukraine is spiraling the way it is. Basically, there's this push to reclaim an ancient homeland. They've got full backing from the US, with Victoria Nuland pulling the strings from within the State Department. The US is essentially telling Vladimir Putin to back off and just let Russia maintain its historical ties with that people—ties that lead straight to modern-day Israel. Even Obama basically went on the record admitting that the regime change in Ukraine was orchestrated; Yanukovych was forced out under intense pressure from the CIA, the CIA, and Israel just to clear a path for the Jewish billionaire Petro Poroshenko. According to the reports, Jewish money and military hardware are flooding through Ukraine while the local Ukrainian Christians—the non-Jews—get slaughtered and wiped out, all while their property gets snatched up by Jewish oligarchs. Everything else? It's just theater for the masses who don't know any better.
https://hamdocamo.wordpress.com/2016...-ne-zna-nista/

What you're saying would make sense—that Israel is arming the Ukrainians and that, globally speaking, Jews are fiercely against Putin. But where exactly do you see the Jews in this war? Please, don't just mention Zelenskyy. He is one man; where are the rest of them standing with Ukraine?

It isn't that they aren't involved or meddling. But calling this a Jewish war? That's a tragicomedy. A Jewish war led by a KGB spy from Moscow? This conflict wouldn't exist without Russia, the Russians, and Putin. I couldn't care less about the background of these other players getting involved; the main architect of this crisis is obvious. And it's equally obvious who the primary force is—the one advocating for Ukraine to remain part of a firm union with Russia, rather than with Israel, America, and Europe. How can anyone be this contradictory?

The Jews are fighting to build a second homeland, while Putin wants to turn Ukraine into his little necktie—or perhaps a naked horse he can ride around. Brilliant logic. That Mongol should have been dealt with long before all this madness started. The greatest blame lies with the American West; they sat idly by watching him rearm and prepare for a massive conflict far beyond a mere local skirmish. They didn't lift a finger against Germany back then either, yet they still love to drone on about Hitler today. If they had actually done something, we wouldn't be talking about Hitler or Putin right now. If they had done what was necessary, WWII wouldn't have happened, and here we are, staring down the barrel of WWIII.

It is precisely because the people collecting the checks aren't doing their jobs. Someone might say they'd use those millions to buy a little common sense, but no—just empty heads and pure greed. It's nothing but passivity, brother. They wait until someone triggers a catastrophe, and then they scramble to put out the fire instead of preventing the spark.
Grace Bennett6 Grace Bennett6 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1566 ·
Kevin Murphy7 said:Putin can't just go rogue and toss a nuke whenever he feels like it; he needs specific codes and a whole protocol involving multiple people

Honestly, even if he did pull the trigger, who’s actually brave enough to hit back?
It would probably just end the war and force a surrender, kind of like what happened with Japan, and basically flip the entire global order upside down

So what's North Korea waiting for then? 😵
Laura Scott7 Laura Scott7 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1567 ·
Separatists making their way toward Mariupol
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...d_to_mariupol/
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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joined Nov 2023
#1568 ·
Donna Harris11 said:I'm going through a rough patch right now

I guess I was just being naive, thinking 2022 would be this big year for unity among our people.

Honestly, I couldn't even bring myself to hit the gym today.

I am sorry, man. It will get better. 😢
copperwolf16 copperwolf16 Member
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joined Mar 2023
#1569 ·
gentleharbor3 said:Really interesting lecture by American neorealist John Mearsheimer
who visited the University of Chicago back in 2015, about a year and a half after Maidan.
He lays out a very clear, well-argued case
on why the West is actually responsible for what’s happening in Ukraine and explains exactly how everyone played their part.
It’s an easy watch. He breaks down all the necessary elements
needed to grasp the broader context
of the conflict and the competing interests in that part of Europe. If you know English, give it a look...

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Yes, it is an excellent lecture; I have been following his work for quite some time. Fundamentally, the man is correct—though, I must admit, he has also made incorrect predictions.
Consider his video from just a week ago, where he argued that Putin would not launch an invasion—based on the logical premise that such a move would be entirely irrational given the astronomical costs versus the negligible benefits, especially since things are going so well for him without an invasion. I shared that sentiment myself; wouldn't it be madness to attack? Yet, here we are—it seems we realists and rationalists were mistaken, because the invasion did indeed occur.
I find myself in agreement with his thesis that the root cause of everything is our transition from a unipolar world to a duopolary one (the USA and China), and that Russia is now attempting to assert itself as a significant player because, realistically, it can no longer compete with either the USA or China. This foolish invasion will likely drive him even further away from independence and push him directly into China's orbit—not as an equal partner, mind you, but as someone who becomes dependent on them.
His other thesis, where he proves himself right, is that the West pursued a completely flawed policy by promising Ukraine and Georgia that they would eventually join NATO; in reality, this only pushed them toward disaster, given that Russia had made it abundantly clear they would never permit such an expansion.
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1570 ·
Justin Kern67 said:And that’s exactly what Ukrainians are saying. Is there any photo or video of last night's transporter destruction? It seems highly improbable that air defense wouldn't have captured some kind of footage.

That’s just like Putin’s calls for Ukrainians to stop fighting for their own country. The little guy screwed up—badly. Soon, he won't just be facing Ukrainians; his own people will start squeezing him too. At least a third of Russians didn't want this war against Ukraine—Ukraine isn't Hitler, regardless of what those KGB thugs claim. He hasn't even convinced his own people, let alone the Ukrainians. You can see it in his eyes; he's never looked more wired, more aware of the massive mess he's made. He'll likely just retreat to a bunker like Hitler did while the Russian people and children pay the price.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#1571 ·
velvetcyclist95 said:The real question is, does it even make sense to pull the trigger on using SWIFT as some kind of nuclear option right now?

My approach? I’d give them a choice: cease hostilities immediately and withdraw from Ukraine within 24 hours, or face total expulsion from SWIFT. That would freeze their transactions dead in their tracks. Since it’s Saturday today and Sunday follows, there likely wouldn't be any meaningful transactions moving anyway.
Tyler Jones6 Tyler Jones6 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jul 2007
#1572 ·
Ukraine has reportedly downed a Russian Ilyushin Il-76 transport plane via parachute strikes near Kyiv—the potential death toll is estimated at 174.

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vividtiger72 vividtiger72 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1573 ·
Justin Kern67 said:Exactly. Back when things were happening in Syria, you’d see dozens of clips every single day. It felt like you were watching the war unfold in real-time. Here, it’s just the same handful of photos and a few videos being cycled constantly, along with some blatant fakes.

I mean, look, those guys had every reason to film everything and pose for the camera constantly. This is a slightly more serious conflict we're looking at. Plus, we don't even have the SOHR coverage here yet.

But I'll admit one thing... following the situation in Syria was actually pretty gripping.
Joseph Clark37 Joseph Clark37 Active Member
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joined Feb 2020
#1574 ·
slyfox43 said:The Baltic states, along with Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, and Bulgaria, have all moved to close their airspace to Russian flights.

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status...58448841580545

It’s much like a perimeter being tightened; meanwhile, Russia is using ballistic missiles to strike residential buildings in Kyiv.

View on twitter

They are really the only EU members showing any actual backbone right now, unlike those weak leaders over in Western Europe...
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#1575 ·
Finally, Germany is actually stepping up and sending something that matters. We're talking rocket launchers heading to Ukraine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/statu...14166949089291
Justin Kern67 Justin Kern67 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1576 ·
Betty Murphy3 said:That’s just like Putin’s calls for Ukrainians to stop fighting for their own country. The little guy screwed up—badly. Soon, he won't just be facing Ukrainians; his own people will start squeezing him too. At least a third of Russians didn't want this war against Ukraine—Ukraine isn't Hitler, regardless of what those KGB thugs claim. He hasn't even convinced his own people, let alone the Ukrainians. You can see it in his eyes; he's never looked more wired, more aware of the massive mess he's made. He'll likely just retreat to a bunker like Hitler did while the Russian people and children pay the price.

Is there any chance we might actually see a photo or video of the transporter being destroyed, or is that off the table?
Keith Morgan10 Keith Morgan10 Member
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joined Jun 2022
#1577 ·
Betty Murphy3 said:We've been through this before, though it seems everyone has developed a very short memory. The West turned its back on us, too—only offering support or flying our flags when it suited them. We pushed through and fought because we didn't have any other choice. Much like the Ukrainians today, they don't have an alternative. Their only other option is to become slaves—modern-day servants to the little men in the Kremlin.

Look, they’re going to end up as subjects one way or another. It’s just something nobody wants to admit out loud.

America paid in blood to avoid being subservient, yet today, that freedom mostly exists on paper.
I can somewhat understand the perspective of a smaller nation like ours, I guess... what can a country of just a few million really do? But Ukraine? If a nation of 40 million had the guts and the sense, they could be a major player on the world stage.
But it seems like they've always preferred being under someone else's thumb. So, they'll probably end up as subjects regardless—whether it's to the Russians or the Americans.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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joined May 2023
#1578 ·
William Anderson5 said:Give me a break. Do you honestly believe nobody is going to take any action just because we might accidentally annoy the madman in Moscow? Are you people serious? Are we all supposed to be hostages to that bald guy's whims?

At this point, that paranoid old man is essentially a prisoner of his own aggressive posturing, dragging the Russians along with him—at least those living within the borders of Russia itself.

The people in Ukraine, who aren't interested in groveling at his feet, will eventually find their own way to bypass his Praetorian Guard.
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#1579 ·
electricstag9 said:

Resistance against Russian fascists

Cyka blyat. 👍🏼
Frank Nguyen37 Frank Nguyen37 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1580 ·
Keith Morgan10 said:What’s so hard to wrap your head around or just accept? It’s possible to feel for people on all sides—whether it's the Russians, the Ukrainians, or Americans. You can watch this whole conflict unfold from a completely neutral standpoint without picking a side.

Of course, to the warmongering fanatics, that’s an unthinkable concept. For them, everything is black or white—no gray areas allowed. That’s just how those brainwashed minds work. The funniest part? These same people view themselves as "progressive," yet they label anyone who isn't picking a side like a sports fan as some sort of Putin sympathizer.🤣

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