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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Rebecca Lewis7 Rebecca Lewis7 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1781 ·
Grace Bennett6 said:The reality is, under full mobilization, the EU only has ten times the manpower of Russia because they have three times the population. This isn't like the last World War where Germany was taking on the entire planet—Germany, the UK, France, Poland, and the rest. 🙂

Even the Ukrainians were buying into those fairy tales until just a few days ago.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#1782 ·
Laura Scott7 said:Look, it’s pretty simple if you actually bother to look at the big picture: Russia is just looking out for its own backyard, especially after being backed into a corner by NATO constantly pushing its borders right up against Ukraine. Putin laid out the terms clearly—he wanted a guarantee that Ukraine wouldn't be joining NATO, plain and simple. But instead of taking that seriously, these folks got way too cocky, acting like Russia was some minor player in the Middle East that they could just push around. Now, they’re trying to flip the script and spin this whole thing to make it look like Russia just attacked Ukraine out of nowhere without any provocation. Give me a break... what a joke. And don't even get me started on those EU sanctions; as if they’ll actually do anything when half the stuff they produce is already being bought up by India and China anyway. But hey, the absolute best part of this circus? The USA won't even stop importing oil because heaven forbid they actually try to do something to keep energy prices from skyrocketing, right? Total joke.

He used terms like "demilitarization" and "denazification."

The real issue with NATO was settled back in 2014, since they won't accept any countries that don't allow full control over their territory (like Crimea and the provinces).

However, Putin isn't about to tolerate a non-pro-Russian government in what he considers his "independent" "historical provinces." Every single time an anti-Russian administration pops up there, Russia reacts.
Comparing NATO's reasoning here to the "denazification" of that "drug addict" who has a Jewish history tied to the Holocaust is pretty much on point.
empty talk.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#1783 ·
Keith Morgan10 said:It’s honestly wild to me, just sitting here thinking about how the ruling class in Russia probably just got together, maybe over some casual drinks or something, and tossed out an idea like, "Hey, what if we just went after Ukraine?" And then, instead of actually weighing the options, five or fifty of the top brass just nod along like, "Yeah, sounds good." Then you have Putin just giving the green light, basically saying, "Alright, let's roll tomorrow," without anyone actually sitting down to map out the fallout. No deep dives into the economic wreckage, no planning for the actual war—nothing. They didn't even bother checking in with the oligarchs to see if they were on board. Just... boom.

If that's really how they pulled this off, then they're complete idiots. It wouldn't be a matter of *if* they fail, but just a matter of when. But, I don't know, part of me feels like we just have to sit tight and wait to see what kind of mess is actually brewing on the other side of the horizon.

He asked them "democratically" in public, right there in front of the cameras, and they all agreed. The man knew perfectly well he was creating victims, yet these spineless bureaucrats lost the ability to say "no" to anything Vlad suggests a long time ago. In their world, there is nothing but a reflex of fear, self-interest, a sycophantic mindset, and the pursuit of personal comfort. Honestly, it might be time for Putin—in the finest Stalinist tradition—to conduct a massive purge within the inner circle of government leadership. Since he admires such strength so much, he might as well adopt some of those methods. He could simply shift all the blame onto "traitors to the nation" or perhaps some "subversives."
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#1784 ·
Keith Williams3 said:Sweden and Finland were the ones who made the first move.

It's a child's game. That's exactly how Hitler operated—everyone else was always the aggressor in his eyes.

Regardless, what actually matters is how a mature, responsible individual responds when faced with those threats.
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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#1785 ·
rowdytiger13 said:BoJo:
To the People of Ukraine : slava Ukraini.
To the people of Russia: I don't think this war actually represents you.

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/sta...18170671128584

God, those hair choices. 🤣🤣🤣
Everything else aside. 🙏🙏

Man, the guy is a total joke just looking at him. It’s like he’s never even heard the word "comb" in his entire life. 🤣
Scott Rodriguez19 Scott Rodriguez19 Active Member
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#1786 ·
bluerider63 said:The Russians are definitely losing now

So I guess there won't be any more new adult films coming out of Russia then.🤣
granitebison granitebison Newcomer
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#1787 ·
Jeremy Peterson4 said:First off, what kind of people are we talking about here—under 5'11"? Like, barely hitting five feet?
So, according to this logic, everyone under 5'11" is just a total clown?
No comment. 🤦

Please don't bother engaging with such nonsense. Attempting to link physical traits to psychological makeup is nothing more than blatant primitivism.
It’s the kind of logic found in Roald Dahl stories or those cliché Disney villains who are always depicted as scarred, deformed, or physically "different" to signal their evil.
Both Napoleon and Hitler stood above average height. There is absolutely no scientific research suggesting that physical appearance dictates one's character or decision-making abilities.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1788 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Morning Ukrainian
An intelligence officer from Ukraine reached out to tell me about a meeting held deep inside Putin's stronghold in the Ural mountains. It was basically a gathering of oligarchs all trying to find a way to escape Russia. According to Terras, who shared what looks like a leaked document, Putin is absolutely livid because he thought this whole war would be a breeze—something finished in just a few days.

- The Russians didn't actually have a tactical plan. This war is bleeding them about $20 billion every single day. They’re down to their last few missiles, so they're being extremely stingy with them. They're running out of gear; their factories physically can't keep up with the demand. At best, they're just scraping by making rifles and ammo,

- Any new Russian weaponry might take three or four months to build, if they can even manage it. They're completely out of raw materials. They used to rely heavily on supplies coming in from Canada, Finland, and Germany, but those taps have been shut tight now, writes Terras.

Okay, this is total nonsense.

Western media is full of it. First, they were saying Kyiv had already fallen, and now suddenly Russia is out of weapons...
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#1789 ·
Carol Newman2 said:The leaders of Poland and Lithuania are currently in Washington, D.C., meeting with Chancellor Scholz.

According to German news outlets, the Polish Prime Minister didn't hold back, accusing Germany of being completely self-centered. He even went as far as calling the shipment of 5,000 helmets nothing more than a bad joke.

And apparently, everyone is just jumping at the chance to spit on them.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#1790 ·
Betty Carter3 said:Hold on—are we saying those terrible, primitive Russians are threatening to bring back the death penalty?
Isn't that basically what democratic America already has neatly in place?

Look, the message is all about the war context.

Read between the lines... they're just running propaganda (intimidation tactics) aimed at both Ukrainians and regular folks in Russia.
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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#1791 ·
restlessmason54 said:You seem to be forgetting that when all is said and done, the Americans are the only ones walking away with a profit here.

And you're forgetting that they only profit because that little Kremlin dwarf decided to invade Ukraine.

If he hadn't, would the West even be profiting?

Of course not—Slavic blood wouldn't be spilling, especially not on Uncle Sam's tab.

You people insist on denying that Putin’s moves actually serve Western interests. For all we know, he’s doing this consciously—perhaps the whole thing is just a performance. Who knows who he really answers to? In politics, it’s hardly a novelty to pretend to represent one side while working for a second or third.

It’s no different with Zelenskyy or the others in the West; we've seen this play out before. No one should be above asking: for whose benefit is all of this actually happening?

But one fact is laid bare: the Russian Army is in Ukraine because Uncle Sam is threatening them by pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and the EU. In that scenario, Putin can't let Ukraine become a permanent leverage point against him.

Which means he'd rather drag the Russians down to the bottom than be remembered as a mere little dwarf. As it stands, he'll be remembered as the villainous runt who writes the darkest chapters of modern history—not just for Russia, but for all of Europe.

And maybe he's doing it all for a bonus—perhaps he's even working for the opposition, the very people he claims to fight: the West, NATO, America. It seems no one has considered that possibility, as wild as it sounds when you actually analyze the situation. Add to that the fact that Germany has been fueling the Russian war machine for ten years—something they couldn't do without American support—and the pieces are slowly starting to fall into place. Even Trump didn't manage to stop it during his presidency, which suggests he wasn't fully part of the game like Biden was, and that's why he got kicked out of the Oval Office.

Now they have whoever they want, and perhaps they have whoever they want in the Kremlin too. But some people just can't wrap their heads around how propaganda works, or how, in politics, the invisible hand usually pulls in the exact opposite direction of what is being shown to the public.
neonbison6 neonbison6 Member
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#1792 ·
Somewhere over in Ukraine—looks like a failed attempt to take out a Russian fuel truck with a Molotov cocktail.

Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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#1793 ·
Carol Newman2 said:The leaders of Poland and Lithuania are currently in Washington, D.C., meeting with Chancellor Scholz.

According to German news outlets, the Polish Prime Minister didn't hold back, accusing Germany of being completely self-centered. He even went as far as calling the shipment of 5,000 helmets nothing more than a bad joke.

I mean, it kind of is a joke. Honestly, Germany looks pretty ridiculous here. Instead of actually stepping up as one of the heavy hitters in the European Union and leading the charge on getting weapons delivered, they're just... doing this.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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#1794 ·
Rachel Allen55 said:Here’s the first red flag out of Denmark.

https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/da...lp-til-ukraine

Denmark is handing over $7 million in humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

Yet just two weeks ago, they could barely scrape together about $300 to help 200,000 households cover basic heating and energy costs. It wasn't nearly enough.

And get this—they only gave seniors a measly 15-cent raise this year.

The usual excuses: "we don't have the budget," "COVID did this," etc. But suddenly, $7 million for Ukraine appears out of thin air in just a couple of days.

It’s like you’re ignoring the fact that Europe is effectively at war. Everything changed on February 24, 2022. The fight against Russia is the only thing on the agenda now.
Christian Bennett2 Christian Bennett2 Member
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#1795 ·
Putin likely envisioned the operation unfolding like this:

In the initial phase, spanning no more than 72 hours, he would have seized the Chernihiv, Sumy, and Kharkiv Oblast regions, effectively encircling Kyiv from both the north and east through a direct assault on the city itself, while simultaneously pushing through Crimea into Mykolaiv and Kherson.

The second phase would involve linking up with the DNR and LNR to seize Odesa.

Following that, the Russian Army would cross the Dnieper, capture Kirovograd and Cherkasy, and establish a Kyiv-Odesa line—essentially amputating everything further west. The entire operation was intended to be completed within ten days.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#1796 ·
Betty Carter3 said:I suppose the number of wars worldwide would drop significantly if we actually forced the ruling elites to step up to the front lines themselves.

By that metric, how would you size up the leadership in Russia and Ukraine?

Zelensky and the Ukrainian government are right there in Kyiv, sharing the same fate as their people; they didn't run.

Meanwhile, where are Putin and Medvedev? They’re likely staring at each other across some massive ten-foot table tucked away in a deep bunker somewhere.
Michael Davis10 Michael Davis10 Active Member
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#1797 ·
loneskipper3 said:
bonaventuraduda As I was saying:
Let’s be realistic here—the forces mobilized for an offensive, numbering somewhere in the ballpark of 150,000 to 170,000 soldiers, simply aren't enough to actually "conquer" a country of this scale. It just isn't mathematically feasible. But then again, looking at the broader strategic picture, it’s becoming increasingly obvious that total conquest wasn't even the primary objective to begin with, was it?

The only thing that’s abundantly clear at this point—if we're being honest with ourselves—is that things are absolutely not going according to plan.

The ultimate objective here is to keep Kyiv under constant pressure—to squeeze them just enough that both that comedian and his boxer buddy finally decide to back off and save their people and their country.

Komedijas was elected by the people—and right now, he’s busy running for his life through pure chaos. It’s a tragicomedy playing out in real time, with the clown sitting in the Kremlin, though I honestly couldn't tell you whose seat is shaking harder at this exact moment.

Does everything really require an "occupation" of all of Ukraine? One has to wonder if the scale of the response is ever actually proportional to the situation at hand.

It’s a necessity—because clearly, whether you’re looking at the South or the East, there isn't a single soul willing to buckle under a Russian boot, let alone in the heart of the country or out West.

Furthermore, let’s be honest—nobody actually has a clear line of sight on what is happening on the ground right now. It’s all guesswork and speculation. And that brings us to a rather striking realization: unlike the pattern we saw with American interventions in places like Iraq or Syria, this situation introduces a completely new variable that we haven't dealt with before.

During those initial days of American wars, things were nothing short of chaotic—absolute mayhem, really. It’s one of those situations where the fog of war is thick enough to cut with a knife. Honestly, the longer you wait and let the dust settle, the clearer the picture becomes; you finally start to grasp what is actually happening once the immediate madness subsides.

It would be incredibly naive to swallow the nonsense being peddled by our mainstream news outlets—those pundits who seem convinced that because this operation isn't unfolding exactly according to their predictable little scripts by day three, it somehow isn't going according to plan.

It is frankly naive to believe that a limited "military operation against a fascist regime"—which supposedly isn't directed at a brotherly people—could ever actually look like this.

You don't just wake up one morning and decide to pull off an operation like this—it isn't something that gets sketched out on a napkin over coffee. A maneuver of this magnitude requires at least three to four weeks of meticulous, behind-the-scenes planning.

Even Putin can't seem to manage even a single month of sustained warfare against his "brotherly" neighbors in Ukraine.

Even back in Chechnya—during that second war that the Russians eventually won—it didn't even last five or six days...

It ended up dragging on five times longer than anyone had originally anticipated—and if you ask me, the sheer scale of the destruction was easily ten times worse than what was initially projected.

It seems the Russians haven't even begun to roll out their second or third waves of assault forces just yet—if my read on the situation is correct.

It’s the truth. Honestly, the Russians haven't even begun their offensive against those regions where people are fighting most fiercely to avoid living under the Russian boot.

Will they actually push all the way into the heart of Kyiv? And if they do, are they planning to just hold them there in a sort of encirclement? Honestly, at this stage, nobody really knows.

The downtown core should have been under their control by now—every single unit was focused on hitting that specific objective as quickly as possible. And honestly, let’s be real: seizing control of the capital's center is pretty much the textbook first step for any "military operation" aimed at toppling a "fascist regime." It’s all part of a lightning strike strategy where time is the one thing the Russians simply can't afford to lose.

When it comes to casualties, let’s be realistic—there are losses on both sides. This is a war, after all, not a ballet recital.

It’s a tragedy, really.

I guess you can't even start a war unless you've planned for at least 3 or 4 months of fighting first.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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#1798 ·
rape_artist said:Putin removed the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the failure of the operation in Ukraine.

This is the worst possible news. His successor will be ruthless and uncompromising.

Source? He would be even more of an idiot than I think if he actually did that now.
neonheron9 neonheron9 Active Member
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#1799 ·
Russian soldiers got absolutely wrecked by someone somewhere... doesn't say who.

18+
Keith Morgan10 Keith Morgan10 Member
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#1800 ·
This whole propaganda machine feels a lot like what we saw with Armenia. It’s always "Armenia did this" or "Armenians did that," and then suddenly, one day, the Armenians emerge from their basements waving white flags, acting like they never even had an army to begin with.
I'm not saying Ukraine is the exact same situation, but I honestly think it's better to just stay patient and wait things out.

Look, I won't have any issues admitting that the Ukrainians and the media were actually right this time—they really did mop the floor with the Russians. But let's be real, the end doesn't look like it's anywhere near in sight.

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