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Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
475 messages
joined Jun 2008
#61 ·
I don't care what kind of side hustles the hotel owners or airline execs are running... if someone tried to talk me into a trip to Africa—and I don't even care about whatever new trend is popping up—I wouldn't go. I just know I’d end up stranded somewhere.
Charles Ramos7 Charles Ramos7 Regular
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joined Jul 2010
#62 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:I don't care what kind of side hustles the hotel owners or airline execs are running... if someone tried to talk me into a trip to Africa—and I don't even care about whatever new trend is popping up—I wouldn't go. I just know I’d end up stranded somewhere.

Honestly, most people traveling right now aren't even heading to Africa or some exotic new spot. They’re just circling back to the usual places where they feel comfortable and at home.
Samuel Turner2 Samuel Turner2 Active MemberOP
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joined May 2023
#63 ·
Charles Ramos7 said:Honestly, most people traveling right now aren't even heading to Africa or some exotic new spot. They’re just circling back to the usual places where they feel comfortable and at home.

And then we act surprised...
I mean, people really need to stop asking how we ended up with this whole omicron mess spreading through the country until the start of summer.
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Carol Jackson2 Carol Jackson2 Member
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joined Jan 2022
#64 ·
This new variant didn't just show up this month—it's already exploding.
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
173 messages
joined Apr 2021
#65 ·
Or, honestly, it’s pretty logical—we're talking about people with roots in Africa...
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
475 messages
joined Jun 2008
#66 ·
Carol Jackson2 said:This new variant didn't just show up this month—it's already exploding.

It's probably everywhere by now... I mean, if the standard PCR tests haven't been catching it, then it's likely already spread through the whole country.
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#67 ·
A case was spotted in the Czech Republic

...also traveling from Egypt. I have this nagging feeling the "source" is actually located somewhere else in Africa—not in Yari or Botswana.
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
320 messages
joined Jan 2009
#68 ·
The anti-vaxxers have already dubbed this variant "Moronic"—which is just an anagram of Omicron, if you're counting.

It’s already tearing through the developing world—it’s basically the same story we see in places like Africa. The real question is whether it’ll blow up here in the US before or after the winter holidays—and what kind of travel restrictions we'll be dealing with at the borders.
Charles Howard74 Charles Howard74 Member
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joined Feb 2009
#69 ·
About 24% of the population in South Africa has been vaccinated, and according to one source, "allegedly" they tracked down the mastermind behind it all. This guy actually had HIV, so his immune system was basically non-existent. Then he caught COVID, and man, that virus tore through him like a wrecking ball in a glass factory. He just took that whole chaotic hacking style and started applying it to everyone else.

In London, you get about 700 passengers arriving daily from Africa.
Jerry Moore2 Jerry Moore2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2003
#70 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:I honestly find it mind-blowing how people are just out here booking international flights like nothing happened. Look, I get it, they’ve had their shots, but seriously? Just chill on the travel frenzy for a year or so. You’ll have plenty of time to make up for lost trips later...

You can't just stop living. I’ve had three shots, I followed every single federal mandate and listened to every word the CDC said, but sometimes you just have to go. Honestly, I’ve been pretty stuck in one spot for the last two or three years. I’m actually packing my bags right now, though I have to admit, this new variant has me feeling a little sketched out since it’s obvious my current shots won't cover it. But whatever, life is a risk regardless. You could catch COVID sitting in your own local Starbucks.
Jerry Moore2 Jerry Moore2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2003
#71 ·
Gerald Chavez7 said:A case was spotted in the Czech Republic

...also traveling from Egypt. I have this nagging feeling the "source" is actually located somewhere else in Africa—not in Yari or Botswana.

It wasn't from Egypt, it was from Namibia.

And there's even some suspicion surrounding a case over in Germany.
Hannah Bailey31 Hannah Bailey31 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2021
#72 ·
Jerry Moore2 said:You can't just stop living. I’ve had three shots, I followed every single federal mandate and listened to every word the CDC said, but sometimes you just have to go. Honestly, I’ve been pretty stuck in one spot for the last two or three years. I’m actually packing my bags right now, though I have to admit, this new variant has me feeling a little sketched out since it’s obvious my current shots won't cover it. But whatever, life is a risk regardless. You could catch COVID sitting in your own local Starbucks.

Secretary of Health of the United States: there is no evidence that Nu-variant evades vaccines.
fadedranger162 fadedranger162 Active Member
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joined May 2023
#73 ·
Carol Jackson2 said:The Mississippi Delta hit the US in June.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/e...smissions=show

You can't just whip up a new cocktail without months of testing first.

Developing new vaccines isn't even worth it anymore. Better to pivot to pills and oral options. The logistics for current vaccines are a total disaster.

Well, maybe here, but if I recall correctly, it spread through Europe a good couple of months before that.

That’s my point—the second they see a hint of a new strain, they need to be developing and testing so we actually have a vaccine ready by late summer. That way, high-risk folks get protected before winter hits. Instead, they just keep pushing the same old shot and praying it works, then start begging for lockdowns when everything inevitably goes south.

Oral vaccines might actually be the better, safer bet, but for the last six months, I've only heard about two manufacturers that even stand a chance at getting them registered.
Carol Jackson2 Carol Jackson2 Member
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joined Jan 2022
#74 ·
Charles Howard74 said:About 24% of the population in South Africa has been vaccinated, and according to one source, "allegedly" they tracked down the mastermind behind it all. This guy actually had HIV, so his immune system was basically non-existent. Then he caught COVID, and man, that virus tore through him like a wrecking ball in a glass factory. He just took that whole chaotic hacking style and started applying it to everyone else.

In London, you get about 700 passengers arriving daily from Africa.

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Carol Jackson2 Carol Jackson2 Member
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joined Jan 2022
#75 ·
fadedranger162 said:Well, maybe here, but if I recall correctly, it spread through Europe a good couple of months before that.

That’s my point—the second they see a hint of a new strain, they need to be developing and testing so we actually have a vaccine ready by late summer. That way, high-risk folks get protected before winter hits. Instead, they just keep pushing the same old shot and praying it works, then start begging for lockdowns when everything inevitably goes south.

Oral vaccines might actually be the better, safer bet, but for the last six months, I've only heard about two manufacturers that even stand a chance at getting them registered.

True. They're waiting on pill approval now, but research for an oral vaccine just finished up in monkeys. Human trials are next.
neontinker5 neontinker5 Member
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joined Jun 2007
#76 ·
This pattern will continue to cycle. There are more than enough people refusing vaccination to give the virus plenty of room to maneuver. Just when you think you've developed a vaccine for one strain, another one comes along spreading across the globe.
Samuel Turner2 Samuel Turner2 Active MemberOP
50 messages
joined May 2023
#77 ·
Oh, really?
I’ve heard they’ve got plenty of vaccines just sitting around going to waste over in Africa too...
Maybe that's why the WHO is begging everyone else to get vaccinated first, instead of us just obsessing over whether the "wealthy" nations need a third or fourth booster shot.
Linda Harris59 Linda Harris59 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2011
#78 ·
Charles Howard74 said:About 24% of the population in South Africa has been vaccinated, and according to one source, "allegedly" they tracked down the mastermind behind it all. This guy actually had HIV, so his immune system was basically non-existent. Then he caught COVID, and man, that virus tore through him like a wrecking ball in a glass factory. He just took that whole chaotic hacking style and started applying it to everyone else.

In London, you get about 700 passengers arriving daily from Africa.

From a biological standpoint, that explanation actually holds water. When you have an organism with a severely compromised immune system, the virus is given all the time and space it needs to run wild, racking up a massive amount of mutations. That’s how you end up with variants that can bypass standard immune responses.

The lesson here is simple: a virus has much more opportunity to mutate and becomes far more dangerous to the public when it finds a host with a weakened immune system and zero antibodies.

Bottom line: immunocompromised and unvaccinated individuals essentially act as breeding grounds for dangerous new mutations.
Carol Jackson2 Carol Jackson2 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2022
#79 ·
Linda Harris59 said:From a biological standpoint, that explanation actually holds water. When you have an organism with a severely compromised immune system, the virus is given all the time and space it needs to run wild, racking up a massive amount of mutations. That’s how you end up with variants that can bypass standard immune responses.

The lesson here is simple: a virus has much more opportunity to mutate and becomes far more dangerous to the public when it finds a host with a weakened immune system and zero antibodies.

Bottom line: immunocompromised and unvaccinated individuals essentially act as breeding grounds for dangerous new mutations.

Claiming healthy, unvaccinated people are literally the primary source of mutations is wrong. Vaccinated people transmit the virus too; they just spread it less, which reduces the overall chance for mutation. Mutation happens through transmission.

Vaccinated immunocompromised people struggle because their antibody levels drop off quickly.
steelraven74 steelraven74 Member
15 messages
joined Nov 2021
#80 ·
neontinker5 said:This pattern will continue to cycle. There are more than enough people refusing vaccination to give the virus plenty of room to maneuver. Just when you think you've developed a vaccine for one strain, another one comes along spreading across the globe.

Over 3.6 billion people haven't had a single dose. It’s a stretch to claim they’re all anti-vax.
The real issue here is access.

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