Banks are waiving account overdraft fees through the end of the year

Has anyone actually looked at those little perks
the Treasury Department hands out to the big banks right before they kick off a massive round of government borrowing?

It’s basically the government telling the banks they can shave a tiny bit off the sheep's wool if they agree to drop interest rates by 1%.

The only thing left standing is the bare skin, because these banks are out here shearing everything in sight lately. But don't worry, I'm sure they'll just give Charles Alexander a call and have him whisper some magic words to Ursula.

Does anyone happen to know if they might have distributed those "hidden" deficits to retirees?
It strikes me—given the circumstances—that within that 800k figure, there could be a significant number of seniors...

briskdrifter3 said:Does anyone happen to know if they might have distributed those "hidden" deficits to retirees?
It strikes me—given the circumstances—that within that 800k figure, there could be a significant number of seniors...

They absolutely did. There’s a huge number of retirees caught in this... as people retired, the banks just held onto whatever debt they carried from their working years and quietly tacked it onto their pensions without saying a word.

Edward Cooper2 said:They absolutely did. There’s a huge number of retirees caught in this... as people retired, the banks just held onto whatever debt they carried from their working years and quietly tacked it onto their pensions without saying a word.

Seniors going into debt? I mean, where is the logic there? If they know exactly what’s coming in every month, how does that even happen?

Like, what, Grandma gets her Social Security check on the 5th and then hits the local Target or Walmart for a two-day shopping spree and ends up $200 in the red? It makes zero sense.

So, what exactly is this "silent overdraft" nonsense at the end of the day?🙂 How can you claim this whole situation is being kept quiet when I can look at my banking app weeks in advance and see exactly how much my balance is going to drop? It shows me clearly that every six months, the fees just creep up. What am I supposed to do then? Should I just call Chase right at that moment and tell them to stop their silent assault on my account?

vividpilot14 said:So, what exactly is this "silent overdraft" nonsense at the end of the day?🙂 How can you claim this whole situation is being kept quiet when I can look at my banking app weeks in advance and see exactly how much my balance is going to drop? It shows me clearly that every six months, the fees just creep up. What am I supposed to do then? Should I just call Chase right at that moment and tell them to stop their silent assault on my account?

Look, there used to be actual authorized overdrafts where the interest rates were lower and everything was regulated properly. Then some new law or regulation came out regarding this "silent overdraft," which was supposedly meant to be an exception. But these vultures at the big banks probably figured the Fed wouldn't care if they just rebranded the old authorized overdrafts as "silent" ones and jacked the interest rates from 7% to over 9%...
Back then, you could actually get an authorized limit, but you had to go through a specific process to sign for it, so hardly anyone actually had one. Those people probably had inside info—likely bank employees or their buddies.
The rest of us, who make up the vast majority, didn't have a clue.
And now why is the Fed suddenly making a scene and acting all righteous? It’s definitely not because they give a damn about regular Americans. They probably just got chewed out over dollar stability, otherwise, these banks wouldn't dare pull this stunt domestically.
Just more proof of what a complete circus this country is.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/overdraft-regulation-news

It’s entirely possible—as usual—that the news outlets are "misinterpreting" things, and we aren't actually looking at 800,000 citizens, but rather 800,000 individual accounts.
One account doesn't necessarily equal one person...
And that goes for both private individuals and business entities alike.

I don't even know where to start with this one. Is anyone else seeing this? Or am I just losing my mind? It’s like everyone is suddenly walking around with the exact same script, nodding along to whatever nonsense is being pushed on them. You see it everywhere—from the local coffee shops in Seattle to those massive corporate headquarters out in New York. It’s all just one big, choreographed dance. And then there's Michelle Bennett5. Honestly, what is she even thinking? Does she actually believe that stuff? It’s almost impressive, in a sad sort of way. How can someone be so consistently wrong? It makes you wonder if anyone is actually paying attention anymore, or if we've all just collectively decided to stop using our brains. Is that the new standard now? Just drift along with the crowd? Seems exhausting. Personally, I'd rather stay confused than pretend I have all the answers when clearly, nobody does. kaže:
So, retirees should just go into debt? I mean, where’s the logic there? If they know exactly what’s hitting their bank account every month, how does that even make sense?

So, wait... let me get this straight. These seniors get their Social Security checks on the fifth, and then they immediately go on a two-day shopping spree at the local mall just to end up eighty bucks overdrawn? Is that how it works? Seriously?

I mean, what’s the actual logic behind anyone being in the red? And I’m not even talking about some convoluted banking math or whatever nonsense they teach at Wharton. Just... why? Does anyone actually function like that?

So, here’s the deal with the fresh cash. It only offsets the deficit once—just one single hit to the red. But that negative interest? That stuff hits your balance every damn month. So yeah, the "benefit" of injecting new money is basically a one-time thing. Given how high these rates are, you're looking at a future where the interest charges eventually swallow the entire deficit whole. Makes sense, right? Not really.

Honestly? It’s just a complete waste of money for everyday Americans. Total loss. Why even bother?
I mean, isn't the obvious move just taking out a standard loan to clear that overdraft? Just wipe the slate clean and then... you know... actually stop dipping back into it. It’s not rocket science, right? Why make things harder than they need to be?

Banks? Honestly, they’re living in paradise. To them, interest is where the real money is made. The principal itself? Basically useless to them. I mean, what would they even do with it? They wouldn't know what to do with a pile of cash if it hit them in the face.

Living paycheck to paycheck? Honestly, if you’re constantly staring at a negative balance, it’s pretty much a clear sign of catastrophic financial illiteracy. I mean, really. How does anyone fall into that trap over and over again? It’s like people just refuse to look at the numbers until the bank sends that dreaded alert. Is it lack of planning? Pure impulse control issues? Who knows. But staying in the red isn't some unavoidable tragedy—it's just bad math.
I just don't get it. Honestly? I have zero clue what they're even on about. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
Is it really that hard for anyone to just scratch out a quick little amortization schedule on a napkin or something? Just to actually see how much money is being thrown down the drain? Honestly.

mistybadger2 said:Look, there used to be actual authorized overdrafts where the interest rates were lower and everything was regulated properly. Then some new law or regulation came out regarding this "silent overdraft," which was supposedly meant to be an exception. But these vultures at the big banks probably figured the Fed wouldn't care if they just rebranded the old authorized overdrafts as "silent" ones and jacked the interest rates from 7% to over 9%...
Back then, you could actually get an authorized limit, but you had to go through a specific process to sign for it, so hardly anyone actually had one. Those people probably had inside info—likely bank employees or their buddies.
The rest of us, who make up the vast majority, didn't have a clue.
And now why is the Fed suddenly making a scene and acting all righteous? It’s definitely not because they give a damn about regular Americans. They probably just got chewed out over dollar stability, otherwise, these banks wouldn't dare pull this stunt domestically.
Just more proof of what a complete circus this country is.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/overdraft-regulation-news

Which means it's highly likely it exists. Honestly, I might even have this infamous "silent" overdraft myself without even realizing it. Fortunately, I try my best not to dip into the red.

John Chase3 said:Let’s be clear—a negative balance is still a negative balance, even if it sits below the approved limit. If a client has an official overdraft limit of $5000, there is absolutely no reason why a bank would suddenly decide to let them slide another thousand into the red... yet somehow, the clients end up walking away happy.

I honestly thought that wasn't even a thing—that they'd just freeze your account immediately. I've never actually heard anyone use the term "silent overdraft" before.

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Jack Cook7 said:Big thanks to Slavko Linic for "kindly" making sure every single worker in this country opens a checking account. Now my bank gets to charge me a monthly fee just for "looking after" my money—as if I wouldn't know how to do that myself! And then, oh yeah, they were so generous as to give me an overdraft limit that I don't want and definitely don't need. Apparently, there's over 800,000 of us stuck in the same boat.

$3.00. They take $20 from me every month.

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I've been shouting from the rooftops for years that Boris Vujčić is a bigger pest than Slavko Linić.

Let’s take a quick look at when this whole mess with silent overdrafts started. Originally, the laws regarding allowed overdrafts were set back in 2013. Then, "somebody" had this brilliant, creative idea in 2017 to just straight-up rob citizens in broad daylight.

Research results: two products merged into one, consumer protection isn't up to par

Authorized overdrafts were pretty much the industry standard until 2018, but the massive wave of approving those silent overdrafts really kicked off after the Truth in Lending Act was passed at the end of 2017.The research findings showed that in today's market, two different products have basically morphed into one, but under conditions that offer zero real protection to consumers—all while charging a way higher price.

Since 2019, there’s been a massive spike in monthly maintenance fees for checking accounts. This is directly tied to the fact that the interest rate caps in the Consumer Credit Act don't apply to these silent overdrafts.

So, basically, Boris Vujčić drops this Decision in 2017 that creates a total disaster, and then four years later, he runs an "investigation" to see what (totally unexpected!) effects his own Decision caused. Like, come on—he HAD to know what would happen!

The great investigator Vujčić. A total pest, him and Rohatinski. I honestly thought things couldn't get worse than when Marko Škreb was busy wrecking the entire banking system, but then we got hit with that early 2000s nightmare with the seasonal exchange rate swings and the whole foreign currency crisis...

If you add it all up, the damage the Federal Reserve has done to the American economy and everyday people amounts to tens of billions in pure profit for the banks. And now, this same pest Vujčić is pushing for the Euro transition, because of course he is. You seriously think he’s acting out of the goodness of his heart?

Michelle Bennett5 said:

I don't even know where to start with this one. Is anyone else seeing this? Or am I just losing my mind? It’s like everyone is suddenly walking around with the exact same script, nodding along to whatever nonsense is being pushed on them. You see it everywhere—from the local coffee shops in Seattle to those massive corporate headquarters out in New York. It’s all just one big, choreographed dance. And then there's Michelle Bennett5. Honestly, what is she even thinking? Does she actually believe that stuff? It’s almost impressive, in a sad sort of way. How can someone be so consistently wrong? It makes you wonder if anyone is actually paying attention anymore, or if we've all just collectively decided to stop using our brains. Is that the new standard now? Just drift along with the crowd? Seems exhausting. Personally, I'd rather stay confused than pretend I have all the answers when clearly, nobody does. kaže:
So, retirees should just go into debt? I mean, where’s the logic there? If they know exactly what’s hitting their bank account every month, how does that even make sense?

So, wait... let me get this straight. These seniors get their Social Security checks on the fifth, and then they immediately go on a two-day shopping spree at the local mall just to end up eighty bucks overdrawn? Is that how it works? Seriously?

I mean, what’s the actual logic behind anyone being in the red? And I’m not even talking about some convoluted banking math or whatever nonsense they teach at Wharton. Just... why? Does anyone actually function like that?

So, here’s the deal with the fresh cash. It only offsets the deficit once—just one single hit to the red. But that negative interest? That stuff hits your balance every damn month. So yeah, the "benefit" of injecting new money is basically a one-time thing. Given how high these rates are, you're looking at a future where the interest charges eventually swallow the entire deficit whole. Makes sense, right? Not really.

Honestly? It’s just a complete waste of money for everyday Americans. Total loss. Why even bother?
I mean, isn't the obvious move just taking out a standard loan to clear that overdraft? Just wipe the slate clean and then... you know... actually stop dipping back into it. It’s not rocket science, right? Why make things harder than they need to be?

Banks? Honestly, they’re living in paradise. To them, interest is where the real money is made. The principal itself? Basically useless to them. I mean, what would they even do with it? They wouldn't know what to do with a pile of cash if it hit them in the face.

Living paycheck to paycheck? Honestly, if you’re constantly staring at a negative balance, it’s pretty much a clear sign of catastrophic financial illiteracy. I mean, really. How does anyone fall into that trap over and over again? It’s like people just refuse to look at the numbers until the bank sends that dreaded alert. Is it lack of planning? Pure impulse control issues? Who knows. But staying in the red isn't some unavoidable tragedy—it's just bad math.
I just don't get it. Honestly? I have zero clue what they're even on about. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
Is it really that hard for anyone to just scratch out a quick little amortization schedule on a napkin or something? Just to actually see how much money is being thrown down the drain? Honestly.

Ugh... inertia is such a nasty habit. I had this coworker show up to the office one day looking totally wrecked. What happened? His account got frozen by the bank because he was $6.25 (if I remember right) overdrawn, so he couldn't even pay for gas. Like, seriously? Wait, what's your overdraft limit? $300, he asks, laughing. So you blew past your limit to $306, and now you're shocked the bank locked you out? And what's the interest rate on that? Probably something like 9%.

People just get used to that miserable negative balance and stop paying attention entirely.

Jack Cook7 said:Ugh... inertia is such a nasty habit. I had this coworker show up to the office one day looking totally wrecked. What happened? His account got frozen by the bank because he was $6.25 (if I remember right) overdrawn, so he couldn't even pay for gas. Like, seriously? Wait, what's your overdraft limit? $300, he asks, laughing. So you blew past your limit to $306, and now you're shocked the bank locked you out? And what's the interest rate on that? Probably something like 9%.

People just get used to that miserable negative balance and stop paying attention entirely.

You should treat an overdraft like scuba diving—you take a dive, but after a minute or two, you've gotta come back up to the surface (sea level >= 0)

Basically, a negative balance should be a BUFFER, something to jump into if you need to, but you have to drain it. For example, next month they cut your limit in half to force you to pay it back, then the following month cut it in half again, and only once you hit zero can they give you the full amount back.

That’s how the government should protect citizens via law. After all, isn't the whole point of the state to exist for the people?

I can't wait for Level 5 AI to become a reality. Then maybe we can apply it to the banking system, automate lawmaking, and finally everything will be fair.

mellowskipper said:I honestly thought that wasn't even a thing—that they'd just freeze your account immediately. I've never actually heard anyone use the term "silent overdraft" before.

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The silent minus is already agreed upon—so why on earth would they block you?

Let me just cross-post this from the Banking, Insurance, and Loans subforum here.

An authorized overdraft happens when you actually walk into JPMorgan Chase and say, "Hey, I need an overdraft line," the bank runs your credit score, and you sign an official agreement for it.
A silent overdraft is when the bank just decides to let your checking account go negative without ever asking you first.

So, what’s the catch?
The difference is that if you requested the overdraft, they approved it, and you signed a contract, it falls under the jurisdiction of the American Bankers Association and their rules on maximum interest rates. According to those regulations—and the numbers might seem a bit wild—the maximum effective APR can't exceed 8.11%.
But then, some other legal interpretation suggests that this effective APR includes every single fee associated with that specific account relationship.
Some clever soul over at the regulatory agency concluded that even the standard monthly maintenance fee—which you pay whether you're in the red or not—counts toward that effective interest rate calculation.
So, imagine you have an authorized overdraft $1.75 (say, you're at the checkout and you're down by one full paycheck). You're also paying a monthly service fee $4.00 (something you'd pay regardless of the overdraft). That adds up to $48 per year. That alone represents a 2.88% annual interest hit. This means the bank can only charge you a maximum of 8.11% - 2.88% = 5.23% on the actual overdraft itself.
Or take a retiree living on a fixed Social Security check $0.67 who pays a monthly fee for a specialized senior checking account $3.00. If that package costs $36 a year, that fee alone accounts for 5.4% in interest, leaving the bank with a maximum allowable interest rate of just 2.71% on the overdraft.

To get around this, banks started giving everyone "silent" overdrafts instead, because there aren't any specific caps on interest rates for unapproved overdrafts. Some banks played fair and capped those rates at 8.11%, but others definitely pushed the envelope and charged much more.
Eventually, the Federal Reserve stepped in and started moving to change the laws to shut down those shady banks that were exploiting the loophole where service fees count toward the effective APR.

Jack Cook7 said:I've been shouting from the rooftops for years that Boris Vujčić is a bigger pest than Slavko Linić.

Let’s take a quick look at when this whole mess with silent overdrafts started. Originally, the laws regarding allowed overdrafts were set back in 2013. Then, "somebody" had this brilliant, creative idea in 2017 to just straight-up rob citizens in broad daylight.

Research results: two products merged into one, consumer protection isn't up to par

Authorized overdrafts were pretty much the industry standard until 2018, but the massive wave of approving those silent overdrafts really kicked off after the Truth in Lending Act was passed at the end of 2017.The research findings showed that in today's market, two different products have basically morphed into one, but under conditions that offer zero real protection to consumers—all while charging a way higher price.

Since 2019, there’s been a massive spike in monthly maintenance fees for checking accounts. This is directly tied to the fact that the interest rate caps in the Consumer Credit Act don't apply to these silent overdrafts.

So, basically, Boris Vujčić drops this Decision in 2017 that creates a total disaster, and then four years later, he runs an "investigation" to see what (totally unexpected!) effects his own Decision caused. Like, come on—he HAD to know what would happen!

The great investigator Vujčić. A total pest, him and Rohatinski. I honestly thought things couldn't get worse than when Marko Škreb was busy wrecking the entire banking system, but then we got hit with that early 2000s nightmare with the seasonal exchange rate swings and the whole foreign currency crisis...

If you add it all up, the damage the Federal Reserve has done to the American economy and everyday people amounts to tens of billions in pure profit for the banks. And now, this same pest Vujčić is pushing for the Euro transition, because of course he is. You seriously think he’s acting out of the goodness of his heart?

He certainly didn't hurt the American economy, since he increased the purchasing power of citizens 😉 besides, can't one type of policy be good for one period and another for a different one? Ugh, Powell is handling everything just fine, clearly.

vividraven79 said:Let me just cross-post this from the Banking, Insurance, and Loans subforum here.

An authorized overdraft happens when you actually walk into JPMorgan Chase and say, "Hey, I need an overdraft line," the bank runs your credit score, and you sign an official agreement for it.
A silent overdraft is when the bank just decides to let your checking account go negative without ever asking you first.

So, what’s the catch?
The difference is that if you requested the overdraft, they approved it, and you signed a contract, it falls under the jurisdiction of the American Bankers Association and their rules on maximum interest rates. According to those regulations—and the numbers might seem a bit wild—the maximum effective APR can't exceed 8.11%.
But then, some other legal interpretation suggests that this effective APR includes every single fee associated with that specific account relationship.
Some clever soul over at the regulatory agency concluded that even the standard monthly maintenance fee—which you pay whether you're in the red or not—counts toward that effective interest rate calculation.
So, imagine you have an authorized overdraft $1.75 (say, you're at the checkout and you're down by one full paycheck). You're also paying a monthly service fee $4.00 (something you'd pay regardless of the overdraft). That adds up to $48 per year. That alone represents a 2.88% annual interest hit. This means the bank can only charge you a maximum of 8.11% - 2.88% = 5.23% on the actual overdraft itself.
Or take a retiree living on a fixed Social Security check $0.67 who pays a monthly fee for a specialized senior checking account $3.00. If that package costs $36 a year, that fee alone accounts for 5.4% in interest, leaving the bank with a maximum allowable interest rate of just 2.71% on the overdraft.

To get around this, banks started giving everyone "silent" overdrafts instead, because there aren't any specific caps on interest rates for unapproved overdrafts. Some banks played fair and capped those rates at 8.11%, but others definitely pushed the envelope and charged much more.
Eventually, the Federal Reserve stepped in and started moving to change the laws to shut down those shady banks that were exploiting the loophole where service fees count toward the effective APR.

Don't talk nonsense, man. Are you even reading these threads?
It seems the definition of a silent overdraft has already been laid out clearly.
For anyone still struggling to grasp this:

A silent overdraft occurs when a bank makes funds available to a client that exceed their officially authorized credit limit.

That is specifically what they are trying to abolish here—not the authorized overdraft.

John Chase3 said:Don't talk nonsense, man. Are you even reading these threads?
It seems the definition of a silent overdraft has already been laid out clearly.
For anyone still struggling to grasp this:

A silent overdraft occurs when a bank makes funds available to a client that exceed their officially authorized credit limit.

That is specifically what they are trying to abolish here—not the authorized overdraft.

The guy spelled it out perfectly. Most banks set everyone's limit to zero and swapped the permitted amount for whatever was considered the standard limit back before the decision at end of 2017.
Basically, they pulled the same shady stunt on everyone.
The few people who caught onto the game—the minority—negotiated a legitimate permitted overdraft. Everyone else is stuck dealing with the unpermitted mess.
Most people didn't realize that behind all this jargon, they were essentially getting fleeced for an extra 30%.
Meanwhile, that snake of a Governor has been smirking about it for four years.
You really have to watch out for these banking bottom-feeders. Given how easily Americans can be misled and the sheer corruption in our government, these guys have found themselves a gold mine that most criminals could only dream of.

mistybadger2 said:The guy spelled it out perfectly. Most banks set everyone's limit to zero and swapped the permitted amount for whatever was considered the standard limit back before the decision at end of 2017.
Basically, they pulled the same shady stunt on everyone.
The few people who caught onto the game—the minority—negotiated a legitimate permitted overdraft. Everyone else is stuck dealing with the unpermitted mess.
Most people didn't realize that behind all this jargon, they were essentially getting fleeced for an extra 30%.
Meanwhile, that snake of a Governor has been smirking about it for four years.
You really have to watch out for these banking bottom-feeders. Given how easily Americans can be misled and the sheer corruption in our government, these guys have found themselves a gold mine that most criminals could only dream of.

How has the American financial regulator failed to notice that 90% of account overdrafts are sitting in some gray area with insane interest rates for four whole years?! It’s just like how nobody flagged the massive issues at Walmart until it was "post festum" and everyone claimed they "knew all along."☕