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Fraud and scams: What are the legal consequences?

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urbanpanther73 urbanpanther73 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Hey everyone, I’ve got a bit of a situation here and could really use some legal advice.

Basically, I’ve been stuck in a legal battle that’s been dragging on for seven years now. It all kicked off when my brother and two of his buddies started finding people willing to sign up for high-end phone plans just to get the devices, then selling the phones along with the SIM cards. My brother and his crew would sell those cards to other people, racking up massive debt on the accounts of whoever originally signed for the service. One guy ended up getting sucked into this whole mess too. He wanted to pick up a few phones and flip them. My brother found a guy who buys used tech and gave him some cash, which my brother was supposed to pass on to this kid, keeping the rest for himself. But instead of being upfront, my brother and his friends were actually paying the kid way less than what was promised—sometimes even half. When the kid went to the mall to pick up the phones, I tagged along to the shopping center, but honestly, I just did my own thing. Once the phones were picked up, the kid sold me one single phone, and that was it for me. My brother and his buddies handled all the other phones and the SIM card scams.

When the whole thing blew up, my brother and one of his friends ended up in county jail. My brother begged me to tell the police that I was the mastermind behind everything just so he could get out sooner. Being naive, I actually did it. But later on, I went back to the station and told them the truth (I think they recorded it). Since then, we've been tied up in court for seven years. My brother and his friends have gone through their hearings and defenses, but somehow, neither the court nor the lawyers have asked me a single question or even mentioned me in seven years.

Here’s where it gets messy: my brother keeps insisting privately that I’m lying and that I was fully involved in the scheme. He’s blaming me for everything, claiming I was the one who pressured that kid to do it and that I was right there helping him at the mall. Like I said, I wasn't even with him at the mall during the pickup. What he's saying is total nonsense—I still have the box for the one phone I bought! And I definitely didn't talk that kid into anything. To be clear about how he even met the kid: they were hanging out at a friend's place, and my brother happened to show up, introduced themselves, and pitched the idea. I wasn't even there when that meeting happened.

So, what can I actually do here? How do I prove I'm innocent and that I shouldn't be held responsible for my brother's actions? This whole thing is such a nightmare. It’s been going on forever, and it’s driving me crazy. Constant trips to court, constant wondering when the next hearing is, and how much longer this will last. The weirdest part is why nobody in court asks me anything; it’s like I only exist when I’m at the police station admitting to things. We're dealing with fraud charges under the penal code. Honestly, I’m losing my mind. I’m fighting with my brother constantly about this, and it’s gotten so bad that I’ve actually thought about just confessing to everything—just to make it end and shut him up, even if it means going to prison for stuff I didn't do.

Does anyone have any advice? How can I prove I'm innocent when I literally just bought one phone like a regular person would?
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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#2 ·
Of course it’s 236.

If the police had been recording, you’d have a DVD of the whole thing. In this system, nothing saves you but the truth—and when it’s just one person's word against another, things get incredibly messy for both sides. Don't go running straight into a jail cell if you didn't actually commit the crime. That said, passive involvement in a fraud scheme is still a heavy burden, even if having a brother involved gave you an excuse not to report the felony immediately.

Sit down, take a breath, and write out everything you can remember. You might even want to suggest that the people who bought those phones be called in as witnesses. There will also be a confrontation with the suspects.
Once you have that drafted, you submit it to the clerk's office at the appropriate courthouse as a formal written statement. Put your personal details in the top left corner, the name of the court in the center, and the case number clearly labeled.
Make enough copies for every suspect involved, plus one extra for yourself—make sure you get a stamped copy from the clerk to prove they actually received it.
Then, head over to the clerk's office—specifically the archives where they keep the files if the judge doesn't have them handy—and request to review the case file. Pay the fee to get photocopies made so you can read through everything carefully... then you draft another statement based on what you found. Or, perhaps more logically, get the photocopies first before you bother writing the next statement.

P.S. Cheating people isn't a good way to live... I certainly hope you've learned that by now.
Laura Palmer4 Laura Palmer4 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2021
#3 ·
Providing false testimony is a federal crime, so I suggest everyone uses their heads before they end up 🙂🙂.
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#4 ·
It isn't quite the same if you're acting as the defense attorney or the prosecutor 😁 ....our legal system is anything but entertaining ...
vividraven26 vividraven26 Active Member
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joined May 2014
#5 ·
Just the defendant.

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