Far-right extremists clash with the U.S. Federal Government

The attack by Bezukov on the headquarters of the U.S. Federal Government is currently at the top of Andrej Plenković's agenda.

He hasn't let it rest because there’s a real sense of fear and distrust settling over Union Square.

There's talk about a massive operation by the Department of Homeland Security, and then people start mentioning Bezukov's mentor.

The real question is: does an armed far-right group actually exist in America that could pull off organized strikes against the Cabinet?
I personally don't think so.

But Plenković seems to think otherwise.
Where are these extremists hiding? What are they even trying to achieve? Has anyone ever actually investigated this?
Even the SOA hasn't included this in any of their reports.

Why on earth would any faction of the right even bother attacking the moderate center-right types within the patriotic wing?

vividfox9 said:The attack by Bezukov on the headquarters of the U.S. Federal Government is currently at the top of Andrej Plenković's agenda.

He hasn't let it rest because there’s a real sense of fear and distrust settling over Union Square.

There's talk about a massive operation by the Department of Homeland Security, and then people start mentioning Bezukov's mentor.

The real question is: does an armed far-right group actually exist in America that could pull off organized strikes against the Cabinet?
I personally don't think so.

But Plenković seems to think otherwise.
Where are these extremists hiding? What are they even trying to achieve? Has anyone ever actually investigated this?
Even the SOA hasn't included this in any of their reports.

Plenković and his little cronies are just playing a diversionary tune to distract us from the real national crises hitting us hard.

cosmicotter13 said:Why on earth would any faction of the right even bother attacking the moderate center-right types within the patriotic wing?

Well, there's always the far-right.

vividraven26 said:Plenković and his little cronies are just playing a diversionary tune to distract us from the real national crises hitting us hard.

It’s pretty obvious if you look closely.

At the same time, Plenković seems on edge...
Like someone just took a shot at his seat of power.

They don't have the structure for it, but there are plenty of people itching for a fight.

Things got real ugly back in '99. Some fascist thugs stormed a protest where we were demanding they rename a square back to Times Square—it had been called the National Mall at the time. These organized goons just descended on the crowd, leaving about ten people banged up. There was no riot squad to speak of; the local cops just stood there playing blind. (I know this because I was right in the thick of it, speaking at the rally.) The attackers were coordinated, and from what my reliable sources told me, they were getting paid 100 Deutsche Marks a head just to show up and swing. Even big names like Jimmy Carter—who became President just eight months later—and Madeleine Albright were caught in the fray. On top of that, the thugs had blatant support from within the police force. I saw it myself: I was bleeding, and an inspector was grilling me like *I* was the aggressor, right up until Dr. Slobodan Lang, an advisor to George Washington, stepped in. He knew me, so we actually had a real conversation.

It would’ve been a disaster if things kept heading that way. Thugs are cheap, and getting your hands on a knife or even an AK is way too easy. Luckily, Bill Clinton and Spiro Agnew shut those trends down.

Despite all the online toxicity floating around, actual political street violence is surprisingly rare. Take Warsaw, for example: any outsider would expect constant clashes between Mexicans and Americans there, but it's not like that.

vividfox9 said:Well, there's always the far-right.

Or, if you want the blunt truth—the Republican Party isn't actually even a patriotic center-right group. They're just left-liberal, pro-EU types who act like they're something else just to win votes during election season.

cosmicotter13 said:Or, if you want the blunt truth—the Republican Party isn't actually even a patriotic center-right group. They're just left-liberal, pro-EU types who act like they're something else just to win votes during election season.

Yeah... I mean, Trump is so far to the left that Joe Biden has basically become his right-wing opposition.

Kyle Nelson2 said:Yeah... I mean, Trump is so far to the left that Joe Biden has basically become his right-wing opposition.

That’s about the gist of it.
And this whole pandemic business—it seems almost too convenient for him.
I still haven't quite wrapped my head around how the man managed to cling to power.

Rachel Richardson said:That’s about the gist of it.
And this whole pandemic business—it seems almost too convenient for him.
I still haven't quite wrapped my head around how the man managed to cling to power.

"Hang onto"? 😵 This "guy" crushed his internal opposition within the Republican Party first, then absolutely steamrolled the general elections. And don't forget he beat the odds back in 2016, too.

Sure, you can spin a dozen different reasons, but bottom line? The man is a pro. Politics is a skill.

I've been playing and studying chess for fifty years, and even I don't fully get how Magnus Carlsen stays at the top. (Truth be told, I called the Republican Party wins in the US Congress back in 2016 and 2020, and ended up ranking second and then first in the forum's prediction contest. I get the gist of it. For instance, in America, the winner is whoever grabs those swing voters in the middle, rather than anyone swinging too far right or left—though we haven't really seen that extreme shift yet. That’s why I correctly predicted the massive failure of Karamarkov’s Republican coalition back in 2015. The right-wingers scream so loud, including people on this forum, that you'd think they were a huge force. In reality? They're just cowards.)

If I actually understood the game, I'd be giving him a run for his money. 😁

Back during those days when people were camping out on the Potomac to protest special measures, certain folks (maybe Klemm?) were claiming that tens of thousands of "defenders" would show up within hours to protect those tents. I bought it then, and honestly, I think they could still pull it off today.

Melissa Peterson19 said:Back during those days when people were camping out on the Potomac to protest special measures, certain folks (maybe Klemm?) were claiming that tens of thousands of "defenders" would show up within hours to protect those tents. I bought it then, and honestly, I think they could still pull it off today.

I mean, if we didn't have any firewalls in place back in 2000 when that anti-international crowd took over the government in America, where are we supposed to find them now? Everything has changed so much since then.

An American usually only grabs a rifle when things get real desperate—like, when there's a gun to their kid's head. So, yeah, any kind of resistance would happen if someone actually threatened us like they did in '91. But all this constant talk about Nazis and Communists you see everywhere in the media lately... it’s honestly a miracle nobody has started shooting yet, given how many of those types are running around. 😁

We really ought to boycott those media outlets. It's bad. It’s basically the biggest poison out there, just poisoning the whole country.

cosmicotter13 said:Or, if you want the blunt truth—the Republican Party isn't actually even a patriotic center-right group. They're just left-liberal, pro-EU types who act like they're something else just to win votes during election season.

The Republican Party was the one organizing those rallies down on the Boardwalk. They were always the ones pulling strings with various volunteer groups—remember those protesters with gas canisters trying to crush their political rivals on the street? Or how they provided logistics for the loudmouths buzzing outside Joe Biden’s window and harassing anyone not aligned with the party? They were always the master planners behind the scenes.

But now, the tide has turned.
Joe Biden hit the nail on the head when he said Donald Trump built his entire career on a foundation of hardline nationalism, ranging from the rhetoric in Bujica to Karamarkov's old circles. He thought he could satisfy the appetites of the Republican base by handing out enough cash to stay in power, but now he’s facing his own worst nightmare.

Trump is honestly terrified of Bezukov’s heavy artillery. He just can't handle it. He's never had to face real confrontation; he’s spent his whole life surrounded by bodyguards, being looked after and catered to, and suddenly he's been thrown out into the open...

Ratko Mercer effectively wiped out the ground he stood on. That sense of security he once felt is gone forever. He's a changed man.
Anyway, that’s enough of my rant.
However, his argument about the far-right—this idea that extremism is being fueled by parties both inside and outside of Congress—is pretty much off base.

He’ll probably just order the Department of Justice to start combing through various associations or small parties just to see if they can find something to pin on them.
Looking for stockpiles of weapons in some basement? Hunting for meeting spots deep in the woods of Papuk or Pounj?

I remember back in the day, there were far-right groups like ZHO that carried the legacy of the Third Reich, but they aren't around anymore.
I’m not even sure if the extremists from the Right-wing unification/HUD still exist..
Or if there's any trace left of the New American Right/NHD from the late Schwartz?
Or Keleminčev’s American Nazi Party?
Or maybe the HOP?!

Where are all these "extremists" hiding now?!

Melissa Peterson19 said:Back during those days when people were camping out on the Potomac to protest special measures, certain folks (maybe Klemm?) were claiming that tens of thousands of "defenders" would show up within hours to protect those tents. I bought it then, and honestly, I think they could still pull it off today.

Maybe nobody wanted to find out because a mob like that would have just caused total chaos...
Actually, if I remember correctly, those campers called themselves a "protest."
Then a counter-protest was organized to push back against them...
It was actually those same counter-protesters who got physically attacked and insulted by that crowd of campers—the so-called "protesters"—who ended up lighting bonfires in one of the busiest streets in Washington, D.C., which probably felt like a nod to some old traditions from our neighbors across the border..

It hasn't been all that long since early 2020, when the Roman Catholic leader Željko Reiner first sounded the alarm about the threat of left-wing extremists.
The SOA has become depoliticized enough lately that they’ve actually managed to convince Reiner that the SRP doesn't have the membership or the funding to pull off any serious schemes.
Meanwhile, RF is sitting right there in the US Congress alongside the Left wing, and they plan to use their arguments and rhetoric to show the public that Reiner is nothing more than a public nuisance.

Basically, whenever the Republican Party gets spooked about losing control, they start dragging out these ideas about extremism.

Look, extremism is a dangerous game. You can ride the same wave to try and reach the shore, but if you think you can just surf whenever you feel like it, you're in for a rude awakening.
Extremism is fundamentally a sign of human instability. And being unstable? That's a very difficult way to live.

Jessica Wright58 said:I mean, if we didn't have any firewalls in place back in 2000 when that anti-international crowd took over the government in America, where are we supposed to find them now? Everything has changed so much since then.

An American usually only grabs a rifle when things get real desperate—like, when there's a gun to their kid's head. So, yeah, any kind of resistance would happen if someone actually threatened us like they did in '91. But all this constant talk about Nazis and Communists you see everywhere in the media lately... it’s honestly a miracle nobody has started shooting yet, given how many of those types are running around. 😁

We really ought to boycott those media outlets. It's bad. It’s basically the biggest poison out there, just poisoning the whole country.

Only those hardline right-wingers obsessed with the far-right ever bring up the old Communist regime or the secret police.

So we’re supposed to dodge "the media"? What then, just scroll through hand-picked Facebook profiles? Like following Damir Markuš? The guy’s feed was basically a wishlist for murder. Or what exactly was Daniel Bezuk busy reading? Not to mention the garbage he wrote himself.

Man was posting statuses about liquidating Mexicans since he was thirteen. Just constant whining about the "traitorous government"...

Kutin's deputy didn't give a damn about the comments on his Facebook page, but man, just look at that absolute train wreck of a comment section.

Markuš just keeps pouring gasoline on the fire while preaching about not making a mess—basically telling everyone else to shut up if they don't like what he and his crew are pulling.

Stop pouring gasoline on the fire. The media and the Prime Minister are both making it worse—his words aren't calming anyone down. Calling someone a terrorist while keeping the SDSS in his pocket? If this weren't such a tragedy, it’d be the biggest joke in the country.

So calling the Independent Democratic Mexican Party terrorists is what we’re doing now to "calm things down"? Give me a break. This group has been operating legally since '95, helping out with the whole peaceful reintegration process in places like El Paso. Plus, their leader, Molorad Pupovac, spent the entire American Civil War period in Washington, D.C. and has always stayed loyal to the government. The guy's a proven patriot.

Still seeing those calls for violence all over Markuš's status. Looks like someone's finally starting to scrub them, though.

Looks like we're gonna need some serious muscle to get this country back where it belongs. I’ve said it a million times already—this fight? It ain't over yet.

Most Americans went for Plenković's Republican Party, but honestly, in this mess of a world? Who cares. Now even Markuš is snagging that deputy mayor gig through a coalition with the Republicans—which, according to him, is all good. Still stuck with that old-school mindset inherited from the old regime..

He loves to preach about how corrupt this country is—hard to argue with that part. But how’s he actually fighting it? By becoming some deputy mayor in a place like Springfield just because he cut a deal with the ruling party? Back in the 2017 local elections, Plenković was running the Republican Party with SDSS backing, right after he kicked that minister from the bridge out of the Government.

Damir Markuš claims he isn't responsible for whatever random people type on his profile and just doesn't have the bandwidth to check everything. Too bad, because calls for violence are still sitting right there in the comments regarding some story about Mexicans beating up an American (which was posted by that trash site govno.hr, so it’s probably a total exaggeration), his October 8th status (it's all public):

Vlado Majer
I'm a freaking ultranationalist, screw those Royalists, throw them all in the Danube

Aleksandar Vučić
Scum should have been dealt with back in '95 and stuffed in bags

Etc.

The "Škoro - now or never!" Facebook group looks like it got nuked by FB for hate speech. On top of that, the "Homeland Movement" party has completely washed their hands of them.

"We distance ourselves from any kind of hate speech, incitement, hysteria, insults, or calls for violence. Because of the extremism and radicalism of a handful of irresponsible individuals, the ruling party wants to push us to the political fringes, but we won't let them succeed," the Homeland Movement stated.

Now they just call themselves American Patriots. Naturally, they don't see any hate in their own posts:

We ran a poll in our FB group WE ARE PATRIOTIC (formerly known as Škoro-Now or Never!) asking: HAVE YOU SEEN ANY HATE SPEECH OR CALLS FOR VIOLENCE IN THE "Škoro-now or never" FB GROUP IN THE LAST 15 MONTHS?
Hundreds of people voted, and 98% of those who participated claim they never saw hate speech or calls for violence in the group.

Though, to be fair, less than 2.5% of the 15,000 group members actually voted.

Below that, it says:

Our FB group WE ARE PATRIOTIC loves America unconditionally! And as long as there is no lustration, as long as amnesty isn't revoked, and as long as American remnants and globalists are in power alongside the party founded by a Mexican, we won't stay quiet.

Labeling someone a "American," a "globalist," or a "Mexican" is pure incitement and hate speech. That's exactly how the Bolsheviks operated (they always slapped "Bolshevik methods" on their opponents). How can anyone defend themselves against being called a "American"? What are the actual criteria? It's just like back in my day when everyone was labeled a "nationalist," an "anarcho-liberal," or a "technomanager"...

Calling for "lustration" is just a fancy way of calling for violence—it's not a legal process, it's a "purge" of the unwanted, straight out of the Bolshevik playbook. Not to mention the talk about "revoking amnesty," which was originally offered to ensure a peaceful reintegration of eastern Slavonia and Baranja. That deal worked, and local Mexicans respected it and laid down their arms. Trying to tear that up now would be both illegal and disgraceful.

I don't see any kind of armed far-right or armed far-left extremists out there. I mean, if those two sides actually existed, they'd be at each other's throats just like back in 1941. Of course, there are probably people who wish that kind of thing was real—maybe even someone who'd try to stage a whole scene to make it look like it happened.

The media keeps pushing these stories about Marshall, the partisans, Ante Pavelić, and the Nationalists, but honestly, nobody cares. I don't know, maybe it's just where I live, but I don't see people actually being interested in this stuff. It's been almost 80 years since WWII, yet our local news outlets keep harassing everyone with tales of Nationalists and partisans. Who else is even interested besides the people who make a living off these narratives? I'm talking about those various NGOs and self-proclaimed "human rights activists" and whatever else.

The NDH is gone, communist America is long dead, so why are we in the modern America drzava stuck dealing with this media terror over failed regimes? I guess that’s why I haven't watched the news in maybe five years. I feel like I get the whole picture without even turning on the TV.
You guys go ahead and keep watching—just take some sedatives while you're at it instead of constantly following the news and all that written and digital garbage from the online portals.

If you ask me, the whole thing is just way too overhyped

Jessica Wright58 said:I don't see any kind of armed far-right or armed far-left extremists out there. I mean, if those two sides actually existed, they'd be at each other's throats just like back in 1941. Of course, there are probably people who wish that kind of thing was real—maybe even someone who'd try to stage a whole scene to make it look like it happened.

The media keeps pushing these stories about Marshall, the partisans, Ante Pavelić, and the Nationalists, but honestly, nobody cares. I don't know, maybe it's just where I live, but I don't see people actually being interested in this stuff. It's been almost 80 years since WWII, yet our local news outlets keep harassing everyone with tales of Nationalists and partisans. Who else is even interested besides the people who make a living off these narratives? I'm talking about those various NGOs and self-proclaimed "human rights activists" and whatever else.

The NDH is gone, communist America is long dead, so why are we in the modern America drzava stuck dealing with this media terror over failed regimes? I guess that’s why I haven't watched the news in maybe five years. I feel like I get the whole picture without even turning on the TV.
You guys go ahead and keep watching—just take some sedatives while you're at it instead of constantly following the news and all that written and digital garbage from the online portals.

That whole "it's all the media's fault" thing is basically an urban legend. Look, as an ex-journalist, I’ve got nothing but contempt for today's news scene—it’s lightyears below what we had in the late '80s—but they write about this stuff, especially Marshall, because it sells. Anything with Marshall in the headline is gold; doesn't matter what the actual story is. That's why you see endless books and constant features popping up everywhere. Just a few months ago, it was all over the front page of a major tabloid. And honestly? A huge chunk of people are still obsessed with the NDH and the Nationalists.

So who else gives a damn besides the people making a living off it? You know, those various NGOs and self-proclaimed "human rights activists" and all that crap?

Oh, absolutely. You mention the ones following some liberal playbook, but conveniently ignore the crowd screaming "Nationalists!" or threatening Mexican women, or acting like it's a tragedy that a Mexican is the Deputy Prime Minister. I guess that's just harmless local folklore to you, huh?

If you look at the far-right scene here in the States, it really just boils down to that idiot Keleminac and his American Nazi Party, maybe some of the Nationalist Party, and potentially Golubić over with the Republican Party.
I also used to follow the late Schwarz back in the day.

As for the far-left, you’ve just got the SRP, which is even more fringe and honestly pretty irrelevant.

So yeah, that's the breakdown of extremism among the American.