Joseph Bailey41 said:I’d actually take a completely different approach here. To me, a perfect society isn't one that happens to contain great people; it’s a society dedicated to helping people *become* those individuals. None of us were born this way. For example, if my five-year-old neighbor comes over and starts showing off her collection of toy chickens, ducks, or even her little plastic tractor, I find it adorable because it’s just a normal stage of growing up. But if a fifty-year-old started acting like that, I’d be seriously concerned about their mental state. I love seeing a twelve-year-old beam with pride over a good grade or a soccer goal, but when adults get that wrapped up in their own egos, it feels a bit off. I also remember watching this one TV show where high schoolers had these intense, passionate debates about everything under the sun, and it felt so much more meaningful than the modern trend of people spending money to watch two old guys argue on an internet stream—or worse, seeing an adult think they've found purpose by tearing someone down on a message board.
I get it, though. Most of us have a little glitch in our programming that makes us waste precious time on these kinds of nonsense activities (which are really just various ways of feeding the ego) instead of focusing on something creative, spiritual, or educational that benefits everyone, including ourselves. We aren't perfect, and honestly, we probably never will be. We don't agree on everything, and frankly, we shouldn't. If we did, we wouldn't have the friction needed to push one another to grow, improve, or collaborate. Without that drive, there would be no reason to rely on anyone else, let alone live together in a community.
I've been wrestling with a bit of a dilemma lately, which ties back into this theme... Is it even moral to strive for transcendence when most of humanity hasn't even reached basic self-actualization yet? It’s not just about individual flaws; it’s that as a society, we seem to value all the wrong things. We fight over them as if they're finite resources—as if having more money, success, or freedom somehow means there's less left for everyone else. Is it right to rise above all that and leave everyone else behind in the dust? Or should we reach back and pull them up with us? And how do you do that without losing your own footing? 😬
Chasing transcendence isn't some selfish detour away from helping the world—it’s actually the opposite.
Every time we fix up our own backyard, we’re fixing a little piece of the world—no matter how small that patch of dirt actually is.
Plus, that just naturally ends up being a win for our local community.
The more individuals and small groups that challenge the "Kingdom of Heaven," the better—but honestly, progress is always going to be a slow grind.
On the flip side—since you've managed to turn the whole argument on its head—I actually agree that how a society treats its people matters immensely. That’s exactly why I brought up politics. Back when I was younger, living in the old US, I had a massive aversion to the whole political scene—but honestly? It’s a necessary lever. It's one of the few ways things can actually be changed.
Progress moves slow around here too—we’re just individuals, after all, and I know we can't expect to move the needle overnight. Still, I honestly feel like some level of political engagement is a duty for everyone—especially for those of us who care about spiritual values.
In a world where some tiny little number on a Wall Street ticker can decide the fate of millions, we really need to find a way to make sure that number actually reflects what most people need. While the masses are busy getting swept up in various ideologies—and let's be honest, it happens—that small group at the top is busy making sure their own material interests stay perfectly intact.
That’s why this whole struggle over who has the "right" perspective or worldview actually matters—it can be pretty useful, honestly. Even a heated debate on a forum like this helps people sharpen their own views and finally see things clearly.
Not sure if I’m making enough sense here—I feel like I should probably write a whole novel to actually explain this properly, but honestly? I just can't be bothered to type that much.
For those of us sitting pretty—not exactly struggling, but doing alright—that pull toward something transcendental might actually be our most defining trait. It’s an existential necessity, really. But at the same time, we have this responsibility—this constant fight in other arenas—to make sure more people can actually reach that kind of stability.
Joseph Bailey41 said:Spirituality really boils down to compassion—simple as that. It’s about actually grasping why someone acts the way they do. Most bad behavior stems from one single root: that person is suffering in some way. The goal is to help ease that pain, though—obviously—not at my own expense, because then I haven't actually helped anyone. Sometimes you can help someone reach a moment of clarity; other times, the healthiest thing is just to offer compassion from a distance. And yeah, there are those days when you just need to hit the block button on social media and call it a day.
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Just one more thought on that idea about how "we" as a society value all the wrong things...
It’s really just the classic chicken or the egg scenario.
I mean, look—society obviously exerts massive influence over the individual through its lack of progress, the state of the economy, constant advertising, and all that political or religious propaganda. On the flip side, you have the individual—with their own desires and needs (which might seem trivial to someone else, but feel pretty real to them)—shaping what that society becomes in the first place.
What would actually happen if nobody had an urge for drugs? Or violence, theft, or fraud?