Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Adam Collins4 said:No, nobody is "enjoying" anything or acting superior—most of this was just about people who straight-up admitted they were negligent and now they're facing the music...

If someone has a legitimate reason—like that lady who posted earlier, or even you—that’s a completely different story...

But if someone missed an obligation because they were just being careless and now they're demanding their rights? Well, they just have to suck it up.

And wouldn't you know it, in the end, we all saw who was actually talking nonsense...😉

Whether they were negligent or had a valid excuse, the fact remains that the problem needs solving, and as of right now, nobody seems to have a clue how.

If you felt we weren't on the same page, you could have just said so instead of resorting to insults. I have zero interest in your smug little emojis paired with fresh attempts at being offensive. Period. Full stop.

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hollowmason64 said:What's the difference there? What did I say differently the second time? And where exactly in our country hasn't local transmission been recorded?
How are they going to figure out where you're coming from? Maybe by asking you?

Yeah, but what about the people who were harassing folks for just taking a walk in accordance with the instructions from the National Headquarters, denying them the right to a ventilator if they get sick, or calling them names... Isn't that hysteria?

Nope. In my book, those are just consequences being applied.

In other words, your interpretation of the law doesn't hold water.

Well, at least you think you've interpreted it correctly. Honestly, everyone thinks they're some kind of expert, and then when they hit a wall and mess up big time, they act shocked that things turned out differently because they chose to interpret 😁
differently.

Look, for private individuals, anything that isn't explicitly forbidden is allowed. On the flip side, there's another law that requires you to report a new residence if you've moved.

Honestly, nobody is actually profiting here, but unless someone is a tenant whose landlord refused to register them—making it impossible—there's no excuse for not updating an address other than laziness or looking out for one's own interests.
Anyway, people like that shouldn't be taking their frustrations out on others just because they're in a bind themselves.
And the local government is what it is; I didn't write the rules. 😁

Oh, please, they are absolutely gloating, listing off all these examples of how everyone screwed each other over regarding things like tolls, transportation, or even loans... 🙄
Besides renting, there are plenty of ways to suddenly find yourself stuck with the wrong legal residence.

It's easy to throw a fit when you feel justified—fine, give me the fine, but let me fix my paperwork first.
That seems to be the one thing you can't handle right now, especially since you can't even do it online.
Sure, if you listen to that Secretary, he'll tell you it's possible, so why wouldn't you be pissed?

The communications team is running a total disaster of a project.

What kills me most is seeing them getting praised in the media for being such great communicators. I mean, seriously, people usually head to grad school to study communication if they actually want to be good at it... but these guys? They couldn't communicate their way out of a paper bag. I guess they finally realized they were failing and scaled back to just one press conference a day once the journalists started grilling them relentlessly... well, at least they figured *something* out.

p.s.
The absolute highlight for me is how they slapped parking tickets on the volunteers in Washington, D.C., and those mountain climbers who spend their own time and risking their health to clear chimneys and fix roof tiles... even though they had official decals on their cars!

Maybe the font was just way too over-the-top for those corporate holding executives?

wiredsailor51 said:The communications team is running a total disaster of a project.

What kills me most is seeing them getting praised in the media for being such great communicators. I mean, seriously, people usually head to grad school to study communication if they actually want to be good at it... but these guys? They couldn't communicate their way out of a paper bag. I guess they finally realized they were failing and scaled back to just one press conference a day once the journalists started grilling them relentlessly... well, at least they figured *something* out.

p.s.
The absolute highlight for me is how they slapped parking tickets on the volunteers in Washington, D.C., and those mountain climbers who spend their own time and risking their health to clear chimneys and fix roof tiles... even though they had official decals on their cars!

Or better yet, those fines for car owners who, lucky them, managed to drive through the earthquake unscathed and just parked temporarily—you know, during those first couple of days before moving them somewhere "safe"—right near the Mosque, only to get hit with a ticket 🙄 — because apparently, the rule of law still applies during an emergency. I mean, suddenly everyone's obsessed with following the rules without any mercy; honestly, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it!

Drew Johnson2 said:For years, we actually kept our official residency registered at my father-in-law's place while living in an entirely different city... purely because we were renting, and honestly, it’s just how you navigate things—you convince the landlord to register you under someone else's name. I’m certain there are still plenty of people doing the exact same thing today. Of course, technically, a tenant is breaking the rules here, but let’s be real... if you finally stumble upon a decent apartment, you aren't going to pass it up just because of some paperwork technicality...

In Miami, finding a long-term rental for the whole year is practically impossible—though that might shift once the tourist season dies down—and if you even bring up the topic of a formal lease or official registration, you'll find yourself blacklisted before you can even finish your sentence...

My daughter was renting from a landlord who flat-out refused to register her.
She ended up moving to a new place where the landlord actually followed the rules.
Then she got a job, but the company messed up her address on her payroll, so she didn't even pay the right local taxes on her first paycheck.

So yeah, it's not always just the little guy's fault, is it?

Btw, the company is a massive Medical Center in Washington, D.C.

Susan Barrett2 said:They trap us within four walls and then tell us to work on our immune systems. Just get out into nature—stay home. It’s nothing but constant contradictions. Honestly, you guys can't even decide if you're sending us away or bringing us in. This whole thing is going to wreck everyone's health, leaving us totally vulnerable to whatever beast decides to strike next.

Well, I don't think anyone is arguing against getting outside for a walk—especially somewhere scenic like a park or near the coast. The main thing is just keeping your distance and avoiding big crowds, right? I see people out walking all the time who are actually being careful and following the guidelines. Personally, I'm out there too—walking the dog, jogging, getting some exercise... but I've got way too much on my plate to stop now, especially since this gorgeous spring weather finally decided to show up!

Susan Barrett2 said:They trap us within four walls and then tell us to work on our immune systems. Just get out into nature—stay home. It’s nothing but constant contradictions. Honestly, you guys can't even decide if you're sending us away or bringing us in. This whole thing is going to wreck everyone's health, leaving us totally vulnerable to whatever beast decides to strike next.

It isn't just about the coronavirus either—other pathogens are still a factor. You'd think those "top experts" sitting in the National Headquarters would realize that—even the ones who claim to be doctors.

dustymarlin10 said:The point is, they just don't have the nerve.
It’s honestly fascinating how rude some people get when you don't immediately bow down to their absolute, unshakable opinion.

I'm pretty sure psychiatrists actually have a specific diagnosis for that kind of thing...

I also think psychiatrists have a diagnosis, but maybe step away from the mirror while you're typing...

You’re really going to lecture me about rudeness?

First, you were busy spreading rumors about how my company operates, and now you've moved on to insults...

But hey, I guess people like you—talking about rudeness, much like this person you quoted who dragged my family into this mess—will always recognize one of your own, right? Is there a diagnosis for that, too?

P.S.

Funny enough, my "unshakable" stance turned out to be spot on... that's just what happens when you're out of your depth in the internet age...

The law is perfectly clear—you have to report an address change...

If you or someone in your circle is too incompetent to handle that and decides to blame the "boss," that's strictly your own problem... there are other apartments, there are other solutions...

But sure, it's always easier to blame everyone else for your own incompetence and laziness...

Edward Fisher86 said:Whether they were negligent or had a valid excuse, the fact remains that the problem needs solving, and as of right now, nobody seems to have a clue how.

If you felt we weren't on the same page, you could have just said so instead of resorting to insults. I have zero interest in your smug little emojis paired with fresh attempts at being offensive. Period. Full stop.

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Oh, please, they are absolutely gloating, listing off all these examples of how everyone screwed each other over regarding things like tolls, transportation, or even loans... 🙄
Besides renting, there are plenty of ways to suddenly find yourself stuck with the wrong legal residence.

It's easy to throw a fit when you feel justified—fine, give me the fine, but let me fix my paperwork first.
That seems to be the one thing you can't handle right now, especially since you can't even do it online.
Sure, if you listen to that Secretary, he'll tell you it's possible, so why wouldn't you be pissed?

Listen, I've lost count of how many times I've sat down to write out what I meant and explain my point... while you just kept cutting my posts short and acting like you're some kind of authority...

And then, once your own logic comes back to bite you, suddenly you're all upset and trying to drag my family into the conversation... naturally, all while lecturing me again about "culture" and "behavior"...

Nobody was ever talking about the people who legitimately live apart and have actually sorted out their legal status...

But the funny part is how this massive crowd of people who *never* bothered to regulate their status is suddenly revolting, claiming it's the government's fault... or the boss's fault...

It's always nice to have an excuse... but sometimes, those excuses are exactly what lands you in hot water...

Take my neighbor, for example. He’s renovating a house near me but officially lives in another city... and he recently went ballistic because the police turned him back at a checkpoint, preventing him from getting home to his wife and kids...

When we asked him why he hadn't just updated his registration to where he actually lives—which he hasn't done in over ten years—the guy started acting like a tough guy, claiming he doesn't owe anyone an explanation for where he stays... but now, suddenly, it's the government's fault.

There’s a massive wave of frustration regarding the sheer illogic of the stay-at-home orders—so many citizens are pushing back because they can't even drive to the next town over just to hit a pharmacy (since their own town doesn't have one) or grab gas at a station (because there isn't one in their municipality). They're taking these complaints straight to local officials, who—to be fair—are starting to realize this isn't a sustainable long-term strategy. Of course, you'll notice those local leaders are much more receptive when the Democratic Party or some other opposition group holds the reins...

As far as I can tell, these logical inconsistencies are only really being flagged by two members on this forum.
Maybe a few others too—though they aren't nearly as loud about it—or perhaps they've finally grasped what the vast majority of people here (and elsewhere) are actually talking about.

For some, a massive ego simply won't allow them to admit that they might be wrong—even occasionally.
For others, this forum serves as little more than an outlet for personal frustrations...
Some people just don't want to think.
And then there are those for whom it all simply doesn't matter.

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Look, if there isn’t anything available in your local municipality, they’re basically obligated to issue you a pass—so, if you need to go grab some medication, you actually have a valid reason to get a pass issued by your doctor through Civil Defense...

Joshua Gray75 said:There’s a massive wave of frustration regarding the sheer illogic of the stay-at-home orders—so many citizens are pushing back because they can't even drive to the next town over just to hit a pharmacy (since their own town doesn't have one) or grab gas at a station (because there isn't one in their municipality). They're taking these complaints straight to local officials, who—to be fair—are starting to realize this isn't a sustainable long-term strategy. Of course, you'll notice those local leaders are much more receptive when the Democratic Party or some other opposition group holds the reins...

As far as I can tell, these logical inconsistencies are only really being flagged by two members on this forum.
Maybe a few others too—though they aren't nearly as loud about it—or perhaps they've finally grasped what the vast majority of people here (and elsewhere) are actually talking about.

For some, a massive ego simply won't allow them to admit that they might be wrong—even occasionally.
For others, this forum serves as little more than an outlet for personal frustrations...
Some people just don't want to think.
And then there are those for whom it all simply doesn't matter.

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Exactly.
For instance, who's running the show in San Diego?

That’s a fair question to ask.

But really, who is actually running things over in San Diego? Is it nobody? Or is it someone specific?

Adam Collins4 said:Look, if there isn’t anything available in your local municipality, they’re basically obligated to issue you a pass—so, if you need to go grab some medication, you actually have a valid reason to get a pass issued by your doctor through Civil Defense...

The sheer stupidity lies in creating this artificial necessity to hunt down permits. If we were being logical here in the States, perhaps limiting movement within county lines would make sense. But with this whole permit circus, hundreds of thousands of people already hold them because they’re part of the Headquarters, issued them to themselves, or actually have a valid excuse. This means restricting movement is both mindless and useless; ultimately, the people with genuine needs get penalized while scammers just forge an ID, all while police checkpoints create unnecessary friction with citizens.

Furthermore, the gentlemen at the Headquarters really ought to realize they lack any actual legal standing for these prohibitions. If Congress were to declare a State of Emergency, that would provide the Civil Defense Headquarters with the necessary legal foundation; as it stands, they are simply violating the Constitution. The fact that the police are assisting them in these violations, and the media is just blaring about how citizens aren't allowed to leave their residences, only highlights how prone we are as a society to authoritarianism—how we'd rather spit on the law than actually fix it.

Chaos, public resentment, flawed solutions, and far too many pointless local agencies:

nimbleharbor10 said:The sheer stupidity lies in creating this artificial necessity to hunt down permits. If we were being logical here in the States, perhaps limiting movement within county lines would make sense. But with this whole permit circus, hundreds of thousands of people already hold them because they’re part of the Headquarters, issued them to themselves, or actually have a valid excuse. This means restricting movement is both mindless and useless; ultimately, the people with genuine needs get penalized while scammers just forge an ID, all while police checkpoints create unnecessary friction with citizens.

Furthermore, the gentlemen at the Headquarters really ought to realize they lack any actual legal standing for these prohibitions. If Congress were to declare a State of Emergency, that would provide the Civil Defense Headquarters with the necessary legal foundation; as it stands, they are simply violating the Constitution. The fact that the police are assisting them in these violations, and the media is just blaring about how citizens aren't allowed to leave their residences, only highlights how prone we are as a society to authoritarianism—how we'd rather spit on the law than actually fix it.

Chaos, public resentment, flawed solutions, and far too many pointless local agencies:

They certainly do have a basis; the Law exists. 😁 I could even cite the specific article number for you.
It is a positive development that Bozinovic signed off on this... so perhaps put in a little effort instead of letting some fool who happened to be a top law student (which is a value judgment, not a fact 😁) and his buddy from the stables lecture us about the Constitution...
Quarantine isn't ineffective; on the contrary, it is always a reliable, conservative method. As for the claim that "the economy is suffering," that is nothing more than empty rhetoric. Money doesn't grow on trees; it is always "there"... the only question is the timing and the arrangement. Even anarcho-communists understand that.

Jerry Robinson56 said:They certainly do have a basis; the Law exists. 😁 I could even cite the specific article number for you.
It is a positive development that Bozinovic signed off on this... so perhaps put in a little effort instead of letting some fool who happened to be a top law student (which is a value judgment, not a fact 😁) and his buddy from the stables lecture us about the Constitution...
Quarantine isn't ineffective; on the contrary, it is always a reliable, conservative method. As for the claim that "the economy is suffering," that is nothing more than empty rhetoric. Money doesn't grow on trees; it is always "there"... the only question is the timing and the arrangement. Even anarcho-communists understand that.

Look, I’m not exactly a huge fan of the crew sitting on the Supreme Court right now—not by a long shot—but clearly, you've got a better handle on this than they do! I mean, seriously, which law is actually in effect here that lets them just shut down the entire country? Especially when we're talking about a situation where the infectious disease is already everywhere... it's not like some tiny little corner of the country is under quarantine to stop it from spreading out, right? It's everywhere!

vividranger8 said:Look, I’m not exactly a huge fan of the crew sitting on the Supreme Court right now—not by a long shot—but clearly, you've got a better handle on this than they do! I mean, seriously, which law is actually in effect here that lets them just shut down the entire country? Especially when we're talking about a situation where the infectious disease is already everywhere... it's not like some tiny little corner of the country is under quarantine to stop it from spreading out, right? It's everywhere!

Here you go, the legal amendments.

The legal foundation itself is airtight—the real question is whether the decision and its execution should have been more logical, perhaps accounting for a broader range of real-world scenarios.

vividranger8 said:Look, I’m not exactly a huge fan of the crew sitting on the Supreme Court right now—not by a long shot—but clearly, you've got a better handle on this than they do! I mean, seriously, which law is actually in effect here that lets them just shut down the entire country? Especially when we're talking about a situation where the infectious disease is already everywhere... it's not like some tiny little corner of the country is under quarantine to stop it from spreading out, right? It's everywhere!

Even if a critical "mass" were to assemble... regarding the law, though I have already made my points quite clearly...

The legal framework has existed for a long time, specifically designed for unforeseen circumstances or those relatively unlikely events.

The fundamental logic is to prevent the expansion of infection—because without a host, viruses simply die out.
It is entirely logical to restrict movement, given that tracking a massive number of individuals becomes impossible, and once those numbers reach a certain threshold, things spiral. In my view, while tracking might be technically possible, there is no reason to overcomplicate a simple solution.

Review:

Gerald Kern77 said:Here you go, the legal amendments.

The legal foundation itself is airtight—the real question is whether the decision and its execution should have been more logical, perhaps accounting for a broader range of real-world scenarios.

There is also the older 😁one, though I must give credit to 🙂 for providing such a detailed description of the enforcement... which, frankly, isn't being enforced very well.
One sees all sorts of outbursts; the only real question left is when we will start seeing mobile religious processions out in the streets, crying, "God, why have you forsaken us."

Do you think they'll actually pull the trigger on canceling this sometime in May or June 🤦?