Republican Party - General Discussion

Adam Collins4 said:Why is the Sedona carnival getting slammed while Smith and his little theater productions get a free pass?

I am curious—who exactly is providing the justification for Frljić?

George Robinson43 said:I am curious—who exactly is providing the justification for Frljić?

From what I can gather through the news cycle, it’s the exact same crowd—the same people who thought that disastrous performance back in a small town like Sedona was fine, and then suddenly pivot to claiming "artistic freedom" whenever they're attacking civil liberties on the other side of Frljić...

Then, all of a sudden, the performance just vanishes from the conversation...

Daniel James said:They are all part of the same machine or organism that consumes the resources without ever contributing anything back. Everyone plays a role; just because one person stands out more and takes more heat doesn't absolve the others of their responsibility. None of them deserve a defense, let alone having people who can't even influence the situation fight amongst themselves over them. Those infighting sessions are just the oil that keeps their mechanism running smoothly and the blood that feeds the organism. Take this discussion about the Republican Party, for instance—we listen to Republicans slaughtering each other, or how someone who betrayed Franjo Harmon by siding with Stjepan Mason can still sit at the top of what's supposedly a traditionalist administration. Give me a break...😁. They all cooperated; those who climbed to the top were able to dispense favors, ensuring that everyone lower down—regardless of whether they lean left or right—owes them something. When you factor in the opportunism, the shamelessness, the greed, and the fear, you get your answer as to why it's always the same faces and why nothing ever changes.

Attack them all, regardless of party affiliation, but defending them and bickering amongst yourselves on their behalf... every single argument you have is just another dollar in their pockets, another step toward a new office for them, and a step backward for you in every possible sense.

I mean, if you take that approach, you’re basically condemning politics itself, which I think is kind of a flawed way to look at it.

I guess it’s tempting to just simplify everything with a "they're all the same" vibe, but honestly, that feels wrong to me.
They are never all the same.

If you think back to elementary school, things weren't all identical, right? It definitely mattered who you picked for the basketball team, or who went to the math competition, or who ended up in the drama club versus being the class treasurer.

And I suppose that pattern just carries on through your whole life.

Everyone plays a part, so just because one person stands out more and takes more heat doesn't mean everyone else gets a free pass. Nobody deserves a defense, and people shouldn't be fighting each other over folks they can't even influence anyway.

If someone has a problem with specific things Plenković does—like, saying "I don't like this specific policy"—that isn't really "fighting," is it?

Sure, things can get heated, but they don't have to be.

Those kinds of arguments are just fuel for their well-oiled machine; it's the blood pumping through their system.

Actually, I'd argue that the "everyone is the same" attitude is what really feeds "their system"—you know, the group that's been driving these harmful forces for thirty years now.
And staying passive instead of pushing for change? That also feeds "their system."

If you really think about it, any Kuščević or Sanders would really love it if you suddenly decided all their opponents—who haven't even been charged with anything specific!—are just "the same" as them or part of that "same mechanism" or whatever you want to call it. And especially if you stop supporting change.
Right?

And when you defend that view so passionately... well, it's exactly like you described.
Like you're "fighting" about it without even questioning if it's actually true. 😁

-Stipe

briskjackal5 said:I mean, if you take that approach, you’re basically condemning politics itself, which I think is kind of a flawed way to look at it.

I guess it’s tempting to just simplify everything with a "they're all the same" vibe, but honestly, that feels wrong to me.
They are never all the same.

If you think back to elementary school, things weren't all identical, right? It definitely mattered who you picked for the basketball team, or who went to the math competition, or who ended up in the drama club versus being the class treasurer.

And I suppose that pattern just carries on through your whole life.

Everyone plays a part, so just because one person stands out more and takes more heat doesn't mean everyone else gets a free pass. Nobody deserves a defense, and people shouldn't be fighting each other over folks they can't even influence anyway.

If someone has a problem with specific things Plenković does—like, saying "I don't like this specific policy"—that isn't really "fighting," is it?

Sure, things can get heated, but they don't have to be.

Those kinds of arguments are just fuel for their well-oiled machine; it's the blood pumping through their system.

Actually, I'd argue that the "everyone is the same" attitude is what really feeds "their system"—you know, the group that's been driving these harmful forces for thirty years now.
And staying passive instead of pushing for change? That also feeds "their system."

If you really think about it, any Kuščević or Sanders would really love it if you suddenly decided all their opponents—who haven't even been charged with anything specific!—are just "the same" as them or part of that "same mechanism" or whatever you want to call it. And especially if you stop supporting change.
Right?

And when you defend that view so passionately... well, it's exactly like you described.
Like you're "fighting" about it without even questioning if it's actually true. 😁

-Stipe

Look, if you're just a surface-level observer blinded by your own partisan bias, then sure, it looks exactly the way you described it. But when you actually have some depth of knowledge and aren't just picking sides, things look more like what I wrote 😉.

Go ahead, keep it up—the leftists defend their side and attack Republicans, while the Republicans defend theirs and attack Democrats. A very intelligent and productive use of everyone's time... 😁 I'm heading off to find some healthier, more intellectual topics. I only dropped by here because Chloe Martinez7 and those other two were catching my eye in another thread recently. Until next time, cheers to the passionate partisans 🎉.

Daniel James said:Look, if you're just a surface-level observer blinded by your own partisan bias, then sure, it looks exactly the way you described it. But when you actually have some depth of knowledge and aren't just picking sides, things look more like what I wrote 😉.

Go ahead, keep it up—the leftists defend their side and attack Republicans, while the Republicans defend theirs and attack Democrats. A very intelligent and productive use of everyone's time... 😁 I'm heading off to find some healthier, more intellectual topics. I only dropped by here because Chloe Martinez7 and those other two were catching my eye in another thread recently. Until next time, cheers to the passionate partisans 🎉.

For sure. 😁

-briskjackal5

Adam Collins4 said:From what I can gather through the news cycle, it’s the exact same crowd—the same people who thought that disastrous performance back in a small town like Sedona was fine, and then suddenly pivot to claiming "artistic freedom" whenever they're attacking civil liberties on the other side of Frljić...

Then, all of a sudden, the performance just vanishes from the conversation...

Sorry, I'm not sure which one of Frljić's pieces you mean that could even be compared to burning gay money with a kid present?

Adam Collins4 said:From what I can gather through the news cycle, it’s the exact same crowd—the same people who thought that disastrous performance back in a small town like Sedona was fine, and then suddenly pivot to claiming "artistic freedom" whenever they're attacking civil liberties on the other side of Frljić...

Then, all of a sudden, the performance just vanishes from the conversation...

Fantastic.
I'm not sure how your attempt to link my point to some group of people defending Frljić actually helps your argument.
I shared my thoughts on Frljić ages ago when he was actually the main topic. People like Kovač are nothing more than fools on the opposite side of the aisle.

My point is simple: a candidate for the presidency of a supposedly "European Christian Democratic" party is labeling the homophobic performance of a rural bigot as mere satire. 🤦
In any similar political organization within the European Union, someone making those kinds of statements would be kicked to the curb the very same day.
It really makes me wonder—does someone like Kovač have even a single grain of common sense in their head?

ruggeddrifter85 said:Sorry, I'm not sure which one of Frljić's pieces you mean that could even be compared to burning gay money with a kid present?

You mean the one where Jesus rapes a Muslim woman and a sex worker pulls out a flag...

As for gay couples having kids—it's not like they have access to children when the adoption process here in the States is such a bureaucratic nightmare. There are plenty of straight couples who would jump at the chance to adopt, but honestly, the red tape alone is enough to kill the desire.

George Robinson43 said:Fantastic.
I'm not sure how your attempt to link my point to some group of people defending Frljić actually helps your argument.
I shared my thoughts on Frljić ages ago when he was actually the main topic. People like Kovač are nothing more than fools on the opposite side of the aisle.

My point is simple: a candidate for the presidency of a supposedly "European Christian Democratic" party is labeling the homophobic performance of a rural bigot as mere satire. 🤦
In any similar political organization within the European Union, someone making those kinds of statements would be kicked to the curb the very same day.
It really makes me wonder—does someone like Kovač have even a single grain of common sense in their head?

Why the sudden meltdown?

I was just building on what you wrote; I wasn't accusing you of anything or implying anything...

And besides, why couldn't it be satire?

Adam Collins4 said:Why the sudden meltdown?

I was just building on what you wrote; I wasn't accusing you of anything or implying anything...

And besides, why couldn't it be satire?

Please explain to me how there is anything satirical about a group posing next to swastikas and posting photos with Roman salutes on Facebook?
It just doesn't compute.
Are you suggesting that when, for instance, the Germans throw people like that in jail, they fail to recognize satire?

George Robinson43 said:Please explain to me how there is anything satirical about a group posing next to swastikas and posting photos with Roman salutes on Facebook?
It just doesn't compute.
Are you suggesting that when, for instance, the Germans throw people like that in jail, they fail to recognize satire?

As long as neo-Nazis can march through the streets of Germany without much trouble, I think dragging the Germans into a debate about a carnival is pretty pointless...

Because, let's be real—an actual Nazi march down a city street is infinitely worse than some carnival nonsense...

The Nazis are still operating underground over there, unlike what we're seeing here at home.

Harold Davis6 said:The Nazis are still operating underground over there, unlike what we're seeing here at home.

What do you mean "underground"? They're practically marching down the streets in Germany.

As if they’d actually let them march freely, right? I wouldn't hold my breath. Honestly, I don't think they even have a seat at the table in Congress, the White House, or any of those major political parties in power.

Exactly. We’re living in the age of the internet and instant Google searches, yet you’re still sitting there doubting everything... fine, keep doubting if it makes you feel better... I don't care... but for heaven's sake, try not to spout total nonsense while you're doing it.

Daniel James said:🤣🤣🤣 You’re just like this "kiss me" crowd. It’s pathetic; you don't realize that none of those people you root for would give you the time of day if you were starving. But unlike them, I'm certain the conservatives on this forum would step up and help you out however they could. It works both ways. I get it when someone defends historical figures—say, Marshall or Harmon—people who did massive things that some see as good and others see as bad. But defending these modern-day, well-connected cronies and picking fights with people on a forum over it...🤦.

Oh, thanks so much, but they can keep that "help" to themselves. Just like I don't need a single grain of rice from the Democratic Party.
What I actually want—what I really need—is for the Republican Party to finally be wiped out completely. To me, the Republican Party is like a cancer in this country that's already reached an advanced stage with metastases everywhere. We either root them out entirely, or they’ll end up consuming this entire nation.
There isn't a third option.

Adam Collins4 said:You mean the one where Jesus rapes a Muslim woman and a sex worker pulls out a flag...

As for gay couples having kids—it's not like they have access to children when the adoption process here in the States is such a bureaucratic nightmare. There are plenty of straight couples who would jump at the chance to adopt, but honestly, the red tape alone is enough to kill the desire.

We're talking about foster care here.
And apparently, per their rules, the age, health, or ethnicity of the child doesn't even matter.
Meanwhile, a massive line of traditional American Catholic couples is just waiting around to foster older kids or children with special needs from the Romani community. 🤣
Even actual Americans 🤣
are being pushed aside.

ruggeddrifter85 said:We're talking about foster care here.
And apparently, per their rules, the age, health, or ethnicity of the child doesn't even matter.
Meanwhile, a massive line of traditional American Catholic couples is just waiting around to foster older kids or children with special needs from the Romani community. 🤣
Even actual Americans 🤣
are being pushed aside.

Spot on. It’s just much more socially acceptable to claim "bureaucratic hurdles" forced them to give up, rather than admitting they couldn't find a young, healthy, white kid to fit their specific mold and decided to walk away instead.

Robin Jones2 said:Does the customer support team fail to realize that fewer and fewer people are buying into the Republican Party’s tired old propaganda that "they're all the same," or that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are essentially identical?

There was a time when those narratives actually held weight, but more and more people are waking up to the reality that the Republican Party is the single greatest catastrophe to hit this nation in recent memory.

Even those who argue that it is "better to have Republican thieves in power than incompetent liberals" eventually have to admit that the Republican Party simply does not care what happens to this country, provided they remain in a position to plunder and steal from everyone else.

Now, at a moment when the entirety of Europe is facing massive refugee waves, a global viral epidemic, and almost certainly a new economic meltdown, the Republican Party administration is ignoring its actual responsibilities. Instead of leading the European Council, they spend the vast majority of their time and resources on petty internal political maneuvering and power games.

When the dust settles, they will inevitably blame the "incompetent liberals" for failing to fix the devastation they left behind—much like they did back when half of the Interpol task force was chasing their president.

fewer and fewer people, more and more people. 👍

If you switch over to the Republican Party, you just start reciting their talking points. 👍

Plenki warned Kovač to watch his mouth when talking to the Republican Party rank and file, and he immediately went right after those "Democratic Party amateurs"! We all know exactly who he was aiming at.