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The next global COVID-19 recession?

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Participants fadedtinker36Lawrence Booth2Kyle Nelson2Timothy Nelson5nimblepuma69Nicole JamesAmy Rogers6loneskipper10Edward Fisher3crimsonstag12Betty Ross6electrictrucker82Laura Martin9Sam Alvarez4Amanda Allen4Joshua Sullivan5Betty Ward3bluesurfer6coastaltiger25
Amy Rogers6 Amy Rogers6 Active Member
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#21 ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:🤦

The Petrodollar? Hmm... was that before or after the gold standard? 🤔 Probably after mercantilism... I guess...
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Anyway, it's just some historical term...

My suggestion? Maybe wake up to the 21st century and realize the USA is now the biggest producer and net exporter of oil and gas. Plus, the IT industry is basically the engine driving everything.
The whole Petrodollar concept is fifty years old, and nowadays, the only people still obsessing over it are those salon-dwelling blowhards spinning their little fantasies. It's as if certain cultural Marxist economic theorists—which is an oxymoron if you ask me—have elevated it to some kind of cult object, the ultimate scapegoat for all the world's problems. And now, they just can't cope, so they keep seeing this phantom threat in every nightmare.

If you look at how the economy and the global financial system have shifted since it was created, the petrodollar actually covers way more than just "petro." Half of all trade transactions and two-thirds of all global securities are denominated in dollars, making it the absolute backbone of modern currency—but let's be real, it's being eroded. China is offering its own currency as an alternative, and we're seeing a massive trend of countries trading in their own local currencies instead. If dollar volume drops significantly, people are going to start asking what's actually backing those dollars, and that's where the USA runs into huge trouble. Look at the gutted manufacturing base compared to the 60s, the massive infrastructure decay, and the elephant in the room: the US national debt, which has blown past every limit and gone straight to the moon (I stopped tracking the exact number, but it's somewhere north of $34 trillion). That should be enough problems for one conversation...

So, I wasn't even going to mention oil and gas. Maybe I should have just said "the dollar," but "petrodollar" is still the go-to phrase in geopolitical circles and carries enough nuance that I wasn't wrong—even if you didn't catch my drift. Geopolitics is a discipline that goes way beyond the rambling of liberal salons. The petrodollar transcends your narrow view, and honestly, don't limit yourself like that; it makes you look like a quasi-Marxist, whether you mean to or not... or do you?.....

By the way, just so you know who you're talking to: by definition, I'm a salon-style American nationalist and conservative. Just thought I'd give you a heads-up so you can skip the whole "Red Scare" lecture with me.....

Given the geopolitical reasons I mentioned earlier and the current state of the petrodollar, it's obvious the Anglo-American establishment is going to trigger a crisis as a response. It’s the only logical move. They still control global finance, and through that, they can throw the heaviest punches at their rivals—they did it plenty of times during the 20th century, like during the Great Depression era, to hit their targets or hold their ground. But doing it today will be harder than ever, and I'm not even sure they'll pull off their long-term goals. In fact, I think once the initial shock wears off, total Anglo dominance will become a thing of the past, ushering in a true multipolar era. Just look at how much gold China, Russia, and everyone else have been hoarding over the last 15 years—everyone is just waiting for this move to happen.
Amy Rogers6 Amy Rogers6 Active Member
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#22 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:If we were living under the thumb of the Chinese instead of the Anglo-Saxons, I guess we’d all be walking on eggshells right now. We'd probably be watching every single word we typed on this forum, terrified that our social credit score would tank if we said something even slightly off. Maybe then we wouldn't even be able to pull off buying a train ticket or a flight.

First off, let me be clear: I view anyone pushing an agenda for this country—or anyone trying to wedge themselves into our business through some association—as a hostile force. To put it bluntly, I couldn't care less about the Americans, Russians, Chinese, Germans, or French. It’s obvious that in the global geopolitical game, a small nation like ours has to lean on someone to survive, but I can't wrap my head around this collaborator-style dependency on powers that give us nothing while taking everything. If I have to pick a side, I’m picking whoever tilts that balance back in our favor. That’s where the story starts and ends. Plus, there's this blatant servant mentality here, where people choose their "masters" based on an inferiority complex rather than actual national interest. Honestly, half these people don't even know what our real interests are...

We need to scrub that mindset out of everyone's heads and turn it into one single mantra: America First, always.☕
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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#23 ·
That’s not even the point... but I mean, look, you can cut a deal with some people, and with others? Forget about it. Same goes for making a buck—with some folks, you'll see a profit, but with the rest... well, you just won't.
electrictrucker82 electrictrucker82 Member
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#24 ·
Those people who just keep relentlessly chanting "move to Russia" or "move to China" clearly possess the mindset of a stubborn mule—that ancient, backward mentality that’s led us straight into this mess 😉
Lawrence Booth2 Lawrence Booth2 Regular
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#25 ·
Hey, do you have any idea how many churches those democratic Chinese authorities have torn down over the last six months? The excuses they give are just straight-up ridiculous—like saying a cross is visible from the street and somehow distracting drivers or something.
And it doesn’t stop there... they’re actually trying to swap out the Ten Commandments for quotes from—pardon my French—that whole ping pong diplomacy nonsense.
They want to scrub the "controversial" parts right out of the Bible 😁 and all that other stuff.
Honestly, that one specific part alone is enough reason for me to stay far away.
I mean, what kind of attitude do they have toward minorities who aren't causing them any trouble?

If you guys aren't happy with how things work here in the West, feel free to head over to China and enjoy yourselves.
You could always just head north to North Korea... though you might not be able to leave once you get there—and hey, at least they still use paper money in North Korea.
Lawrence Booth2 Lawrence Booth2 Regular
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#26 ·
nimblepuma69 said:Does that logic apply to Asante too?

I'm dying to hear what he’d have to say in a place where people actually have freedom of speech.

I was half expecting you to bring up the Anasazi or something.

But look—you really have to draw a line between actual free speech and just plain old spying or treason.
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Laura Martin9 Laura Martin9 Newcomer
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#27 ·
Macron admits the truth: Western hegemony is officially over!

https://www.geopolitika.news/razgovo...dosao-je-kraj/

... so, where do we go from here? 😁
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#28 ·
Laura Martin9 said:Macron admits the truth: Western hegemony is officially over!

https://www.geopolitika.news/razgovo...dosao-je-kraj/

... so, where do we go from here? 😁

Wait, isn't this link from August 2019? 🙄
Laura Martin9 Laura Martin9 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:Wait, isn't this link from August 2019? 🙄

Pa, Macron had already signaled that crisis coming well before the pandemic hit.
With COVID in the mix, it’s just a matter of time before that crisis explodes somewhere, right?

Maybe in Germany? (Since Germans tend to struggle when things get chaotic), perhaps via some sort of "Neo-Weimar" approach?
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#30 ·
loneskipper10 said:Russia has three to four times more gas than America.
American gas is about 30-50% more expensive than Russian gas.

Look, there is absolutely no shortage of oil and natural gas globally.

"Reserves" are strictly an economic concept—they represent only what can actually be extracted and sold for a profit. Everything else? That’s just "mineral inventory," which might become reserves one day, or maybe it won't. It's that simple.

Just look at what happened with coal! Half a century ago, everyone was panicking, screaming that we were going to run out—and now? Most of it is just going to stay buried deep in the earth forever.

I fully expect the exact same thing to happen with oil 😁.
Joshua Sullivan5 Joshua Sullivan5 Newcomer
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#31 ·
Can someone break down what an economic crisis actually looks like and how it ties into this whole COVID-19 mess? Back in March, the stock market absolutely cratered—even worse than back in 2008. So many people lost their jobs. As we all learned how to "dance with the virus," things started to level out. We got used to masks and all those safety protocols. Even though most people who were laid off are still looking for work, it feels like the worst is behind us and things are finally picking up speed again. The second news hit about a vaccine being found, the indices just took off. Is the crisis really over then? If so, who is it actually hitting? Most regular folks haven't even felt the real impact yet. It’s like the Great Reset already happened. They did it at the expense of the little guy—small businesses, families, the hungry and the sick. Between the unemployment spikes, inflation, and the drop in our standard of living, one cycle just closed and the next one is already starting.
electrictrucker82 electrictrucker82 Member
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#32 ·
Joshua Sullivan5 said:Can someone break down what an economic crisis actually looks like and how it ties into this whole COVID-19 mess? Back in March, the stock market absolutely cratered—even worse than back in 2008. So many people lost their jobs. As we all learned how to "dance with the virus," things started to level out. We got used to masks and all those safety protocols. Even though most people who were laid off are still looking for work, it feels like the worst is behind us and things are finally picking up speed again. The second news hit about a vaccine being found, the indices just took off. Is the crisis really over then? If so, who is it actually hitting? Most regular folks haven't even felt the real impact yet. It’s like the Great Reset already happened. They did it at the expense of the little guy—small businesses, families, the hungry and the sick. Between the unemployment spikes, inflation, and the drop in our standard of living, one cycle just closed and the next one is already starting.

It looks like someone is writing a whole thesis here 😁
Betty Ward3 Betty Ward3 Newcomer
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#33 ·
I honestly think any major crisis is going to hit dictatorships first—free markets and private enterprise are just too damn resilient and scrappy for that.

Living here in Chicago, I’m not seeing signs of some massive economic meltdown everywhere... sure, a few shops close down, but new ones pop up almost immediately. Some businesses definitely folded, but that capital didn't just vanish—it just shifted into different sectors. To be fair, that classic American drive to work and spend is still very much alive and kicking. Even Black Friday caught me off guard; people were out there buying everything in sight, both in-store and online.
bluesurfer6 bluesurfer6 Active Member
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#34 ·
Joshua Sullivan5 said:Can someone break down what an economic crisis actually looks like and how it ties into this whole COVID-19 mess? Back in March, the stock market absolutely cratered—even worse than back in 2008. So many people lost their jobs. As we all learned how to "dance with the virus," things started to level out. We got used to masks and all those safety protocols. Even though most people who were laid off are still looking for work, it feels like the worst is behind us and things are finally picking up speed again. The second news hit about a vaccine being found, the indices just took off. Is the crisis really over then? If so, who is it actually hitting? Most regular folks haven't even felt the real impact yet. It’s like the Great Reset already happened. They did it at the expense of the little guy—small businesses, families, the hungry and the sick. Between the unemployment spikes, inflation, and the drop in our standard of living, one cycle just closed and the next one is already starting.

I wouldn't call it a reset; it looks more like a total collapse to me. Plus, could you actually explain what these "cycles" are? What exactly is supposed to have started anew?
Seriously though, everyone, can we please stop throwing around terms like "Great Reset" and all that? It’s starting to sound a bit like I’m standing on a street corner preaching about the apocalypse.
coastaltiger25 coastaltiger25 Newcomer
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#35 ·
bluesurfer6 said:I wouldn't call it a reset; it looks more like a total collapse to me. Plus, could you actually explain what these "cycles" are? What exactly is supposed to have started anew?
Seriously though, everyone, can we please stop throwing around terms like "Great Reset" and all that? It’s starting to sound a bit like I’m standing on a street corner preaching about the apocalypse.

Exactly. And besides, look at this:

https://www.nytimes.com/section/health/
Joshua Sullivan5 Joshua Sullivan5 Newcomer
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#36 ·
The whole boom and bust cycle in capitalism. Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "Great Reset"—I see people using it differently in today's economic threads. Let's not go down any conspiracy rabbit holes here. I’m asking specifically from an economic standpoint: Is the crisis actually over? Because looking at the data, the economy seems to be picking up steam again, which suggests a recovery is underway.

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