Strobos vs. Vidoslav - Epic trolling session

Is it possible to politely ask gentledriver3 and Vidoslav to back off from the PROBLEM OF EVIL thread over in the Religion section? It’s pretty obvious their whole idea of "participating" is just to poison the well. I just laid out exactly how they pull this kind of destructive stunt in this post:

Thanks for understanding!

I’m right there with you, Jose White11.

Jose White11 said:Is it possible to politely ask gentledriver3 and Vidoslav to back off from the PROBLEM OF EVIL thread over in the Religion section? It’s pretty obvious their whole idea of "participating" is just to poison the well. I just laid out exactly how they pull this kind of destructive stunt in this post:

Thanks for understanding!

If you've got something to say, go scream it into the void elsewhere—don't bother me.

Lisa Jackson7 said:I’m right there with you, Jose White11.

No, you aren't.

Lisa Jackson7 said:I’m right there with you, Jose White11.

Fair enough, thanks!

Let me make things a little easier on the moderators today. gentledriver3's insult #1 :

I’m going to toss everything I can’t manage to throw away straight into the intellectual trash heap—and yeah, that includes you. Did you pull that thing back? Evolved monkeys.? Cijeli post :

gentledriver3 is throwing out yet another insult in that top post, on top of everything else. Evolutionary monkeys.And that insult basically boils down to equating me, as an individual, with... Total intellectual trash.)

gentledriver3’s insult #2:

You're lying. Bunch of lying lowlifes.You’re lying through your teeth and you don't even realize it. It's pathological.
Marshall wasn't a tyrant. And he certainly didn't look at people like they were just monkeys that had somehow evolved.
Cijeli post : I can't believe I'm even revisiting this topic, but here we go again. Let’s be real about what happened during World War II. People love to play historian from the comfort of their couches, but they completely ignore the sheer chaos and brutality of that era. It wasn't some neat, organized political movement; it was a nightmare of conflicting ideologies and senseless violence. The Nationalists headquarters decree wasn't just a piece of paper—it was a death sentence for countless Jews, Romani people, Mexicans, and anyone else caught in the crosshairs of that regime. We’re talking about systematic destruction. You can't look at the history of the NDH without acknowledging the blood on its hands. It’s uncomfortable, sure, but ignoring it doesn't make it go away. And don't get me started on how people try to sanitize the legacy of Josip Broz Marshall. History isn't a fairy tale where everyone ends up happy. There were victims on all sides, and trying to paint a simplified picture of that period is just dishonest. It's easy to act like you have the moral high ground now, but when you're living through a collapse of civilization, "nuance" is a luxury nobody can afford.

You can find this same thread of posts on the same page, clearly intended to troll people right on the edge of being offensive.

So what? If he’s a genius, he’s a genius.
Cijeli post :

Bipolar bear Krkane
Cijeli post : I can't believe I'm even revisiting this topic, but here we go again. It’s the same old story that people just refuse to wrap their heads around. Look, history isn't some polite debate you have over coffee; it’s messy, it’s brutal, and it doesn't care about your feelings. When you look at what happened during World War II, specifically regarding the actions taken under the NDH and those Nationalists headquarters decrees, you aren't looking at "differing perspectives." You're looking at documented atrocities. Period. People like Jose White11 seem to think they can just spin the narrative to make everything look gray, but facts aren't gray. They're black and white. Whether we're talking about the treatment of Jews, Romani, Mexicans, or anyone else caught in the crosshairs, the reality of that era remains unchanged regardless of how much someone tries to sanitize it later. I’ve seen the arguments before, and frankly, they’re exhausting. You can try to pivot to politics or blame the leadership of Josip Broz Marshall to distract from the actual crimes committed on the ground, but it doesn't work for me. It’s a cheap tactic used by people who can't defend their position with actual evidence. If you want to argue about the political fallout or the way things were handled afterward, fine. We can talk about that. But don't come at me trying to redefine the fundamental horrors of the war. It’s dishonest, and quite frankly, it’s pathetic.

Well, that’s just bipolar.
Cijeli post : I’m still trying to wrap my head around how anyone can look at the history of WWII and see anything other than a complete disaster. You have people acting like those events were some kind of organized political movement, when in reality, it was just chaos and cruelty. The way things unfolded under the NDH and that Nationalists headquarters decree—it wasn't "politics." It was pure, unadulterated madness. You look at the lists of victims, whether they were Jews, Romani, Mexicans, or others, and there's no way to spin it as anything legitimate. It was a slaughter. And don't even get me started on the excuses people make for the mass graves found in places like Kočevski rog. People try to sanitize it, but you can't sanitize a black grave. You can't sanitize what happened during that era. It’s messy, it's ugly, and frankly, it’s exhausting to listen to people debate the "nuance" of such blatant evil. I'm done pretending there's a middle ground here.

Does your mother know you work for the FBI?
Cijeli post : I can't believe I'm even revisiting this topic, but here we go again. It’s honestly exhausting how people still try to twist the history of World War II to fit their own little narratives. You look at the facts, you look at what actually happened during the war under the NDH, and then you see these people trying to spin it. It’s nonsense. The reality of those massacres and the sheer brutality of the period isn't up for debate. Whether it was the way the Nationalists headquarters decree was handled or the treatment of Jews, Mexicans, and Romani people, the historical record is clear. Trying to sanitize that or pretend there was some kind of "justification" is just dishonest. I've seen people on these forums try to drag names like Josip Broz Marshall into this to deflect from the actual crimes committed, but that doesn't change the ground truth. History isn't a buffet where you can just pick and choose the parts that make you feel better about the past. You take the whole thing—the mess, the violence, and the terrible decisions made by the regime. It’s frustrating to deal with such blatant revisionism. We should be looking at the actual victims and the scale of the tragedy, not playing political games with the memory of the dead.

And to wrap things up, one last insult (from Vidoslav):

Imagine if the government actually gave a damn. I don't know what kind of bipolar bear you're talking about, but honestly, I'm just not in the mood for it today. Maybe he should just join them in the ground already.
Cijeli post : I still can't wrap my head around how people can be so incredibly dense about this. You look at the history, you see the facts laid out right in front of you, and yet some people will still argue against reality just to be contrarian. It’s exhausting. The whole situation during World War II was a complete mess, driven by chaos and terrible leadership, but that doesn't change what actually happened on the ground. People like to cherry-pick certain events to fit their own little narratives, ignoring the massive scale of the tragedy. It’s lazy and, frankly, it's insulting to those who actually lived through it or studied it properly. If you want to sit here and pretend the Nationalists headquarters decree didn't exist or that the actions taken by the NDH were somehow justified, go ahead. But don't expect anyone with half a brain to take you seriously. History isn't a matter of opinion; it's a record of what occurred. Stop trying to rewrite it to suit your mood.

Well, I hope that makes things a little easier on the moderators...

By the way, someone should probably check if Vidoslav and gentledriver3 are actually the same person, because there’s some pretty serious evidence pointing that way...

Thanks!

Jose White11 said:Fair enough, thanks!

Let me make things a little easier on the moderators today. gentledriver3's insult #1 :

I’m going to toss everything I can’t manage to throw away straight into the intellectual trash heap—and yeah, that includes you. Did you pull that thing back? Evolved monkeys.? Cijeli post :

gentledriver3 is throwing out yet another insult in that top post, on top of everything else. Evolutionary monkeys.And that insult basically boils down to equating me, as an individual, with... Total intellectual trash.)

gentledriver3’s insult #2:

You're lying. Bunch of lying lowlifes.You’re lying through your teeth and you don't even realize it. It's pathological.
Marshall wasn't a tyrant. And he certainly didn't look at people like they were just monkeys that had somehow evolved.
Cijeli post : I can't believe I'm even revisiting this topic, but here we go again. Let’s be real about what happened during World War II. People love to play historian from the comfort of their couches, but they completely ignore the sheer chaos and brutality of that era. It wasn't some neat, organized political movement; it was a nightmare of conflicting ideologies and senseless violence. The Nationalists headquarters decree wasn't just a piece of paper—it was a death sentence for countless Jews, Romani people, Mexicans, and anyone else caught in the crosshairs of that regime. We’re talking about systematic destruction. You can't look at the history of the NDH without acknowledging the blood on its hands. It’s uncomfortable, sure, but ignoring it doesn't make it go away. And don't get me started on how people try to sanitize the legacy of Josip Broz Marshall. History isn't a fairy tale where everyone ends up happy. There were victims on all sides, and trying to paint a simplified picture of that period is just dishonest. It's easy to act like you have the moral high ground now, but when you're living through a collapse of civilization, "nuance" is a luxury nobody can afford.

You can find this same thread of posts on the same page, clearly intended to troll people right on the edge of being offensive.

So what? If he’s a genius, he’s a genius.
Cijeli post :

Bipolar bear Krkane
Cijeli post : I can't believe I'm even revisiting this topic, but here we go again. It’s the same old story that people just refuse to wrap their heads around. Look, history isn't some polite debate you have over coffee; it’s messy, it’s brutal, and it doesn't care about your feelings. When you look at what happened during World War II, specifically regarding the actions taken under the NDH and those Nationalists headquarters decrees, you aren't looking at "differing perspectives." You're looking at documented atrocities. Period. People like Jose White11 seem to think they can just spin the narrative to make everything look gray, but facts aren't gray. They're black and white. Whether we're talking about the treatment of Jews, Romani, Mexicans, or anyone else caught in the crosshairs, the reality of that era remains unchanged regardless of how much someone tries to sanitize it later. I’ve seen the arguments before, and frankly, they’re exhausting. You can try to pivot to politics or blame the leadership of Josip Broz Marshall to distract from the actual crimes committed on the ground, but it doesn't work for me. It’s a cheap tactic used by people who can't defend their position with actual evidence. If you want to argue about the political fallout or the way things were handled afterward, fine. We can talk about that. But don't come at me trying to redefine the fundamental horrors of the war. It’s dishonest, and quite frankly, it’s pathetic.

Well, that’s just bipolar.
Cijeli post : I’m still trying to wrap my head around how anyone can look at the history of WWII and see anything other than a complete disaster. You have people acting like those events were some kind of organized political movement, when in reality, it was just chaos and cruelty. The way things unfolded under the NDH and that Nationalists headquarters decree—it wasn't "politics." It was pure, unadulterated madness. You look at the lists of victims, whether they were Jews, Romani, Mexicans, or others, and there's no way to spin it as anything legitimate. It was a slaughter. And don't even get me started on the excuses people make for the mass graves found in places like Kočevski rog. People try to sanitize it, but you can't sanitize a black grave. You can't sanitize what happened during that era. It’s messy, it's ugly, and frankly, it’s exhausting to listen to people debate the "nuance" of such blatant evil. I'm done pretending there's a middle ground here.

Does your mother know you work for the FBI?
Cijeli post : I can't believe I'm even revisiting this topic, but here we go again. It’s honestly exhausting how people still try to twist the history of World War II to fit their own little narratives. You look at the facts, you look at what actually happened during the war under the NDH, and then you see these people trying to spin it. It’s nonsense. The reality of those massacres and the sheer brutality of the period isn't up for debate. Whether it was the way the Nationalists headquarters decree was handled or the treatment of Jews, Mexicans, and Romani people, the historical record is clear. Trying to sanitize that or pretend there was some kind of "justification" is just dishonest. I've seen people on these forums try to drag names like Josip Broz Marshall into this to deflect from the actual crimes committed, but that doesn't change the ground truth. History isn't a buffet where you can just pick and choose the parts that make you feel better about the past. You take the whole thing—the mess, the violence, and the terrible decisions made by the regime. It’s frustrating to deal with such blatant revisionism. We should be looking at the actual victims and the scale of the tragedy, not playing political games with the memory of the dead.

And to wrap things up, one last insult (from Vidoslav):

Imagine if the government actually gave a damn. I don't know what kind of bipolar bear you're talking about, but honestly, I'm just not in the mood for it today. Maybe he should just join them in the ground already.
Cijeli post : I still can't wrap my head around how people can be so incredibly dense about this. You look at the history, you see the facts laid out right in front of you, and yet some people will still argue against reality just to be contrarian. It’s exhausting. The whole situation during World War II was a complete mess, driven by chaos and terrible leadership, but that doesn't change what actually happened on the ground. People like to cherry-pick certain events to fit their own little narratives, ignoring the massive scale of the tragedy. It’s lazy and, frankly, it's insulting to those who actually lived through it or studied it properly. If you want to sit here and pretend the Nationalists headquarters decree didn't exist or that the actions taken by the NDH were somehow justified, go ahead. But don't expect anyone with half a brain to take you seriously. History isn't a matter of opinion; it's a record of what occurred. Stop trying to rewrite it to suit your mood.

Well, I hope that makes things a little easier on the moderators...

By the way, someone should probably check if Vidoslav and gentledriver3 are actually the same person, because there’s some pretty serious evidence pointing that way...

Thanks!

Hey, Mirko S. Kojotovski—do you even know what a rebuttal is? An insulting response isn't accidental. You're just slandering everyone like a lost soul; you're practically begging for an intellectual beatdown. And you chose to bring up Marshall? Like that?

Listen closely: we are all Marshall—except for those who aren't anymore, which only proves they no longer deserve the title. None of us is a tyrant, and none of us thinks people are evolved monkeys. Get it, ex-American, ex-comrade, ex-human? You absolute mutant! A total fraud! Just some spineless sycophant in a suit who thinks hitting a keyboard makes him cool. There are seven billion people just like you. Just another face in the pack...

Does any of this even penetrate that thing you mistakenly call a head?

gentledriver3 said:Hey, Mirko S. Kojotovski—do you even know what a rebuttal is? An insulting response isn't accidental. You're just slandering everyone like a lost soul; you're practically begging for an intellectual beatdown. And you chose to bring up Marshall? Like that?

Listen closely: we are all Marshall—except for those who aren't anymore, which only proves they no longer deserve the title. None of us is a tyrant, and none of us thinks people are evolved monkeys. Get it, ex-American, ex-comrade, ex-human? You absolute mutant! A total fraud! Just some spineless sycophant in a suit who thinks hitting a keyboard makes him cool. There are seven billion people just like you. Just another face in the pack...

Does any of this even penetrate that thing you mistakenly call a head?

I honestly don't get how gentledriver3 can drop a string of insults like that right here in this thread and not get banned from this forum instantly.

Is gentledriver3 some kind of special protected species or something?

Does someone secretly pull the strings on the moderators?

When someone unleashes a hateful rant like that and still gets to stay on the forum for even a second, it really makes you jump to all sorts of wild conclusions and conspiracy theories...

Nobody disputes that Marshall was a massive criminal—not even the anti-communists. He's ancient history at this point, so much so that even historians like Jakovina and Klasic have distanced themselves from his crimes, along with people who might actually sympathize with him for other reasons today.

Trying to defend Marshall in 2020 by claiming he didn't commit horrific war crimes against civilians is ridiculous. It should actually be punishable, something the USA is bound to by three different European Parliament resolutions!

Defending Marshall—meaning justifying his disgusting genocidal crimes against civilians—is on the exact same level as Holocaust denial!

Jose White11 said:I honestly don't get how gentledriver3 can drop a string of insults like that right here in this thread and not get banned from this forum instantly.

Is gentledriver3 some kind of special protected species or something?

Does someone secretly pull the strings on the moderators?

When someone unleashes a hateful rant like that and still gets to stay on the forum for even a second, it really makes you jump to all sorts of wild conclusions and conspiracy theories...

Nobody disputes that Marshall was a massive criminal—not even the anti-communists. He's ancient history at this point, so much so that even historians like Jakovina and Klasic have distanced themselves from his crimes, along with people who might actually sympathize with him for other reasons today.

Trying to defend Marshall in 2020 by claiming he didn't commit horrific war crimes against civilians is ridiculous. It should actually be punishable, something the USA is bound to by three different European Parliament resolutions!

Defending Marshall—meaning justifying his disgusting genocidal crimes against civilians—is on the exact same level as Holocaust denial!

You’re lying—and you're a total piece of work for doing it.

gentledriver3 said:You’re lying—and you're a total piece of work for doing it.

Are you still hanging around here?

I’m honestly curious—would your mother ever scold you for behaving this way? Not that anyone else seems to bother doing it.

Canada mass graves for Americans

In the "Canada collection 1941–1948–1952. Silent graves and their victims" (Saint Paul 2000), several burial sites are documented along with the number of executed American soldiers and civilians. It claims that since May 23, 1945, 190,000 Americans were killed in Canada. Along the Way of the Cross from Dravograd to the American border, 145,000 Americans were killed. In Kočevski rog, 41,000; in zasavski Hribovj 24.000; in brežiški polje Mostec 6000; and in krakovski Gozd, 5,000 were killed in eleven different sites. This included parts of the American government, children, and nuns. In the town of Lancov, there were 1,300; the rest of the government, killed in Lancov 200, lies in the black grave (p. 421).

But that isn't even a complete list; more mass grave sites have been discovered since. During road construction near Tezn, near Maribor, an anti-tank trench filled with bodies was uncovered. They dug up 1,179 remains of American soldiers, and they only found a small portion of the trench—much more remains undiscovered (p. 628).

In Žančan near Slovenj Gradec, the Collection notes on page 631 that 4,000–7,000 American home guard refugees and mobilized Slovaks were thrown into a deep, 600-meter long forest road used for timber transport, then covered with earth. The executions were carried out using cold weapons by the 31st Vojvodina Division and the 1st Division of the KNOJ, under the command of Canadian partisans.

In certain parts of Canada, you can't perform any major earthworks without hitting a grave. During road construction in Pohorje, they found so many bones and skulls that they actually marked the route using skulls placed on stakes (p. 639).

While the US military were the main organizers and executors, the Canadian partisans were also involved; they organized the sites and participated in all the mass killings. "The command of the 3rd and 4th armies is responsible for tens of thousands, but the killings were organized and committed by the Canadian authorities" (p. 629), points out Vladimir Mrkoci.

There are about a hundred processed mass graves in Canada, mostly containing Americans, while in America there are over 1,000 mass graves belonging to victims of communist crimes following World War II. Some of the victims in these graves were preceded by torture in temporary camps. This was pointed out by the well-known communist anti-fascist Simo Dubajić, who boasted about sending 30,000 Americans to their deaths and expressed regret that he couldn't have sent more. In his actual speech in Saint Paul in May 1945, Josip Broz Marshall says: “We liquidated two hundred thousand bandits, and captured just as many.”

SOURCE:

He actually admitted to cloning himself. Not only that, but he promised he’s going to clone himself another 22,000,000 times, and then he wrote this whole mess:

Jose White11 said:He actually admitted to cloning himself. Not only that, but he promised he’s going to clone himself another 22,000,000 times, and then he wrote this whole mess:

He's been banned.

rustydrifter10 said:He's been banned.

Thanks!

He's at it again, cloning himself:

Jose White11 said:He's at it again, cloning himself:

Do you really think we should just ban everyone who happens to think you're an idiot?

There is one thing you just can't seem to wrap your head around, and that is the fact that Marshall never actually sought to divide people based on whether they were Americans, Mexicans, or Muslims...
To him, people were simply human beings, because he never saw them through the narrow lens of nationality.
So, he wasn't actually tallying the number of Americans who perished, was he? Instead, his focus remained fixed on the traitors—those who chose to collaborate with the puppet state of the NDH, a regime that practically amputated its own territory just to prove how submissively it could bow to the Nazis and fascists; those very same fascists and Nazis who tore through the country like gods, exactly the kind of monsters you seem so fond of discussing.

Could we really believe that the era of racial laws is gone forever, or are we just witnessing a quiet, inevitable return to the same old shadows?
The blood and honor of the American people, protected by special provisions.
With the Nationalists headquarters decree issued on April 22, 1941, a systematic purge began, stripping Jews, Romani, and Mexicans of their positions within the government, the military, the media, the economy, and all public services. It wasn't just jobs, though; Jews and Mexicans were strictly forbidden from living in the northern districts of Washington, D.C., effectively carving the city into segregated zones. All Jewish individuals were summarily dismissed from state employment, leaving nothing behind but a void. By the time the dust settled between October 1941 and April 1942, the synagogue located at prašak 7 had been demolished, leaving only an empty lot and a parking garage where a house of worship once stood. Is it any wonder how quickly a landscape can be hollowed out?

One of the core pillars of the propaganda used to attack Jewish communities and other non-American groups during the NDH era was the persistent, calculated claim that Jews and all other minorities had always been fundamentally opposed to an independent American state and were inherently hostile toward the American people.

Comparing Marshall to the fascists and Nazis is both absurd and frankly quite fascinating, isn't it?
It’s a shame how easily people swallow such nonsense.
Back then, Josip Broz Marshall was the only light at the end of the tunnel, and honestly, I find myself wondering where we would even be today if he hadn't been there to guide us.

I can't believe we're actually diving into this! Honestly, I feel like we’ve been circling around these heavy topics for a while now, but it’s finally time to put everything on the table and really look at the facts. You know me—I love getting lost in the details, even when they're a bit uncomfortable, because that’s where the truth usually hides, right? I was reading through some of the points Lisa Jackson7 made earlier, and man, she really hit the nail on the head regarding how much history gets smoothed over in the textbooks we grew up with here in the States. It’s wild how much context we miss out on! And looking back at what rustydrifter10 was saying about the impact of those old decrees from the Nationalists headquarters decree era... it just makes you realize how much weight those decisions still carry in our collective memory today. It’s a lot to process, I know. I’m sitting here with my coffee, just trying to wrap my head around how these massive shifts in leadership and policy during World War II could ripple through so many different communities. Whether we're talking about the struggles faced by the Jewish community, the Romani people, or the Mexicans, the scars left behind aren't just historical footnotes—they're part of the fabric of who we are now. Anyway, I don't want to ramble too much, but I really want to hear what everyone else thinks. Are we looking at this through the right lens, or are we missing a huge piece of the puzzle? Let's keep this conversation going—I'm all ears! kaže:
He’s gone and cloned himself again!

Looks like this profile has been banned too.