What happens to Indigo children when they grow up?

Joseph Bailey41 said:I get it. Even the ancient Greeks used to talk trash about the arrogant youth, but there's a new variable in the mix now: the virtual world. Those of us who first stumbled onto the internet as kids are basically "digital immigrants." Meanwhile, the kids whose moms were already surfing the web while they were still in diapers are "digital natives." There’s a massive gap between those two groups—one group knows what reality feels like, while for the other, reality feels like some sort of intellectual abstraction.

The Indigo children (if we're talking generational archetypes rather than actual aura colors) are caught right in the middle of those two worlds, with one foot in each. That’s why they can seem so lost, like they haven't quite figured out where they stand. They haven't realized yet that they actually act as a bridge—a connection point. Their purpose isn't necessarily to radically overhaul a world that changes on its own, but to link two, or more, different worlds together.

As for crystals... well, silicon is a crystal too. 😉

I don't know much about crystals or Indigo kids 🙂 , but sure, there's this whole virtual thing with phones and the internet... however, if you think back, reading books was "virtual" too. Up until twenty years ago, people built their perception of the world through books, newspapers, and comics. Some say that thousands of years ago, people had better memories and lived longer without needing to write anything down. Life was simple: you lived long, you remembered everything, and the soul remained crystal clear. 😁

Betty Patel172 said:I don't know much about crystals or Indigo kids 🙂 , but sure, there's this whole virtual thing with phones and the internet... however, if you think back, reading books was "virtual" too. Up until twenty years ago, people built their perception of the world through books, newspapers, and comics. Some say that thousands of years ago, people had better memories and lived longer without needing to write anything down. Life was simple: you lived long, you remembered everything, and the soul remained crystal clear. 😁

You nailed it. 👍

There was a time when we only dealt with the physical world. Then, we added the world of myth and legend. Then came the world of a single book. Then more books. Comics. Movies. Now, the digital realm has basically swallowed everything mentioned above... everything except what you can actually touch, though even that can be simulated these days. Spiritualists love to obsess over whether we’re living in a matrix, but I don't think so... it's still being built. Once it's finished (if it ever is, since we're all helping build it)... the physical world as we know it will be over. It'll still exist, of course, but we won't really perceive it anymore. We'll just leave it to the lions, tigers, and bears.😁

Joseph Bailey41 said:You nailed it. 👍

There was a time when we only dealt with the physical world. Then, we added the world of myth and legend. Then came the world of a single book. Then more books. Comics. Movies. Now, the digital realm has basically swallowed everything mentioned above... everything except what you can actually touch, though even that can be simulated these days. Spiritualists love to obsess over whether we’re living in a matrix, but I don't think so... it's still being built. Once it's finished (if it ever is, since we're all helping build it)... the physical world as we know it will be over. It'll still exist, of course, but we won't really perceive it anymore. We'll just leave it to the lions, tigers, and bears.😁

What exactly did I see? 🙂 Even the idea that we are creating anything—these "matrices" of yours—is an illusion. If there hadn't been the Matrix Film, this whole conversation wouldn't even exist. Everyone, including me and you, is trapped in one massive illusion. We aren't "creating" anything, 🙂. The only thing we truly control is our own basic biology, like when nature forces you to find a restroom. But even that isn't a choice; you're just reacting to a reflex you didn't ask for. 🙂

Joseph Bailey41 said:It’s like being a pawn in a chess match. You just have to keep pushing until you reach the other side. 🥳

Chess has rules about order, but this guy? He’s all about the chaos.
Anyway, that's a whole different conversation right there.

DIskutantica was probably thinking of a good person—someone who's just a total disaster when it comes to relationships.

Betty Patel172 said:What exactly did I see? 🙂 Even the idea that we are creating anything—these "matrices" of yours—is an illusion. If there hadn't been the Matrix Film, this whole conversation wouldn't even exist. Everyone, including me and you, is trapped in one massive illusion. We aren't "creating" anything, 🙂. The only thing we truly control is our own basic biology, like when nature forces you to find a restroom. But even that isn't a choice; you're just reacting to a reflex you didn't ask for. 🙂

Movies are really just recycled versions of older stories. Most films are, honestly—including the ones we play on loop inside our own heads. Sure, they’re all illusions, and deep down, we know they are. The only thing that’s actually real is physical reality, like this moment right here in the bathroom. Even though there are plenty of other rooms in this house, people seem to have a strange preference for the one you mentioned. 🤣

Thomas Nelson25 said:Chess has rules about order, but this guy? He’s all about the chaos.
Anyway, that's a whole different conversation right there.

DIskutantica was probably thinking of a good person—someone who's just a total disaster when it comes to relationships.

Even chaos follows its own logic (just look up chaos theory).

Thomas Nelson25 said:Chess has rules about order, but this guy? He’s all about the chaos.
Anyway, that's a whole different conversation right there.

DIskutantica was probably thinking of a good person—someone who's just a total disaster when it comes to relationships.

Being a fool doesn't necessarily mean you're a "good person." It usually just means you're missing some key information—about how other people work, and how you work, too. Once you learn those lessons, you stop being a fool and start becoming a master. Though, even that is just a temporary stage.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Even chaos follows its own logic (just look up chaos theory).

Being a fool doesn't necessarily mean you're a "good person." It usually just means you're missing some key information—about how other people work, and how you work, too. Once you learn those lessons, you stop being a fool and start becoming a master. Though, even that is just a temporary stage.

Maybe determinism is just the core of nature—probably even at the deepest levels of existence. Think about chess; it only works because both players respect the rules. It needs that framework.

Just saying, I don't know the context behind her being a "fool" in this specific case.

Obviously, once you add knowledge and growth, it becomes one single person. It all depends on what you're wired for—we all have different leanings—but everyone has that potential.
I don't think you can have a wizard without intuition, and that stuff lives in the chaos.
Basically, it's all about non-linearity.

An 11-year-old "Indigo child" belonging to an acquaintance of mine is so incredibly twisted that nobody wants anything to do with him—I actually witnessed his father (a prominent public figure who, ironically, works with gifted students) beating him right there on the street. When I asked him how the hell he could allow that, he just shrugged and said, "Screw it, I'm done." Kids feel secure when there’s a clear sense of order—when they know their place—rather than everyone just waiting for them to decide where they sit at the table or take charge because "parents don't understand them." They think the whole world should bend to their whims because they're so "special" and "misunderstood"... but without that structural safety net and clear boundaries, they act like lost souls just causing damage. So many kids and families have been wrecked by these twisted commercialized myths about Indigo children. What a joke—they aren't some mystical beings; they're just little bullies taking advantage of anyone willing to let them get away with it.

Paul Rogers94 said:An 11-year-old "Indigo child" belonging to an acquaintance of mine is so incredibly twisted that nobody wants anything to do with him—I actually witnessed his father (a prominent public figure who, ironically, works with gifted students) beating him right there on the street. When I asked him how the hell he could allow that, he just shrugged and said, "Screw it, I'm done." Kids feel secure when there’s a clear sense of order—when they know their place—rather than everyone just waiting for them to decide where they sit at the table or take charge because "parents don't understand them." They think the whole world should bend to their whims because they're so "special" and "misunderstood"... but without that structural safety net and clear boundaries, they act like lost souls just causing damage. So many kids and families have been wrecked by these twisted commercialized myths about Indigo children. What a joke—they aren't some mystical beings; they're just little bullies taking advantage of anyone willing to let them get away with it.

There’s truth to that. A lot of these kids have latched onto Peterson, who explains how structure and order can actually be a good thing—something a lot of them missed out on growing up. Even if you dig a little deeper and realize the guy has some pretty messy stuff going on in his own head, his core self-help message is actually decent. It serves as a necessary counterweight to all this nonsense about every child being a misunderstood artist. Little kids are basically just tiny little dudes; they need a pack leader.

Anyone who’s ever had kids can tell you—one of the first things they do around age three or four is try to map out how the world works and figure out where they fit into the hierarchy. I’ve spent countless hours trying to decode what they’re actually getting at by watching them draw or arrange their little action figures and toys... it's all just an attempt to grasp the relationships in their environment—relationships that are often completely baffling even to us adults. Then, you get those clueless parents who act like they have zero intuition, expecting the kids to just intuitively master social rules and dynamics on their own—basically just surrendering themselves to the whims of a tiny, budding monster.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Movies are really just recycled versions of older stories. Most films are, honestly—including the ones we play on loop inside our own heads. Sure, they’re all illusions, and deep down, we know they are. The only thing that’s actually real is physical reality, like this moment right here in the bathroom. Even though there are plenty of other rooms in this house, people seem to have a strange preference for the one you mentioned. 🤣

Is physical reality just a form of dreaming?
The simplest explanation I've encountered is that everything is God, and these thoughts are just 🙂
One could also argue that God is "above" (though you have to consider what that actually means) and we are "below"—not that those terms matter, since they are just empty words used to pass the time while we can. 🙂

Betty Patel172 said:Is physical reality just a form of dreaming?
The simplest explanation I've encountered is that everything is God, and these thoughts are just 🙂
One could also argue that God is "above" (though you have to consider what that actually means) and we are "below"—not that those terms matter, since they are just empty words used to pass the time while we can. 🙂

People will say anything. It seems like folks love to ramble on about things they don't understand at all. Honestly, that kind of speculation doesn't interest me one bit—I prefer to write about what I know and ask questions about what I don't, just to hear different perspectives. As for God, I don't know anything about Him, nor do I really care, because I don't see how understanding His nature would change my life, the lives of those close to me, or the world at large. Or, to put it bluntly—I couldn't care less.

Paul Rogers94 said:Anyone who’s ever had kids can tell you—one of the first things they do around age three or four is try to map out how the world works and figure out where they fit into the hierarchy. I’ve spent countless hours trying to decode what they’re actually getting at by watching them draw or arrange their little action figures and toys... it's all just an attempt to grasp the relationships in their environment—relationships that are often completely baffling even to us adults. Then, you get those clueless parents who act like they have zero intuition, expecting the kids to just intuitively master social rules and dynamics on their own—basically just surrendering themselves to the whims of a tiny, budding monster.

I remember myself being exactly like that during those years. For me, drawing, arranging things, and making up little songs wasn't so much about grasping my surroundings (in fact, I was usually trying to distance myself from them), but rather about establishing a universal order where good was rewarded and bad was punished. I had a couple of "troublemaker" toys—a rubber soccer player and a Barbie whose face I found particularly unsettling. Those two would constantly try to stir up chaos in the perfect little utopia of my cuddly stuffed animals, who lived in total harmony, almost like lions and sheep in a Jehovah's Witness brochure. Every now and then, one of them would snatch something or cause a scene, and then the other animals would work together to fix the injustice, usually by tossing the offender to the Grizzly (a stuffed bear that was actually bigger than I was). The Grizzly was incredibly sweet and I loved hugging him, but he usually kept his distance from the others... he’d watch everything unfold, but he rarely stepped in. 🤣

Kids usually focus on things that actually matter—it’s just not how their brains work to obsess over trivialities. I often ask them what they're doing when they're drawing or playing with action figures, and I haven't encountered a single instance where they aren't processing what's vital to them at that stage. It's all about the process: this is Mom, this is Dad, Mom is at the office now, or Dad lives in a different house (in cases of divorce). This little figure is Grandma Branka, and she died tomorrow (meaning they think the funeral is scheduled for tomorrow)... I've seen this pattern in so-called "indigo children," or even those highly reactive kids who push their parents to the limit from age one. Even while they are still navigating social dynamics, they often possess a much sharper understanding of relationships than their own confused parents. That’s why, quite frequently, they end up being perfectly valid witnesses in a criminal trial.

Paul Rogers94 said:Kids usually focus on things that actually matter—it’s just not how their brains work to obsess over trivialities. I often ask them what they're doing when they're drawing or playing with action figures, and I haven't encountered a single instance where they aren't processing what's vital to them at that stage. It's all about the process: this is Mom, this is Dad, Mom is at the office now, or Dad lives in a different house (in cases of divorce). This little figure is Grandma Branka, and she died tomorrow (meaning they think the funeral is scheduled for tomorrow)... I've seen this pattern in so-called "indigo children," or even those highly reactive kids who push their parents to the limit from age one. Even while they are still navigating social dynamics, they often possess a much sharper understanding of relationships than their own confused parents. That’s why, quite frequently, they end up being perfectly valid witnesses in a criminal trial.

In a typical development scenario, that's how it goes... Grandma Branka or Aunt Lydia comes over for a visit, and so on. But occasionally, something goes sideways, and play takes on these mythological dimensions as a way to resolve an underlying conflict (most often involving a lack of acceptance from the mother) on an archetypal level. For instance, I remember a mother once asking me, "What would you do if I died?" (she wasn't sick or anything, maybe it was depression, but I didn't know how to recognize those things back then), and I instantly blurted out, "I'd just get a new mom."

Much later, I discovered that early traumas can be worked through using a technique called > resourcing. In this process, the client first vividly imagines a scene of an ideal parent with a child, then steps into the role of that imagined parent, and only after that can they truly "feel" what it is like to be the child. Through this process, the client essentially "gives birth to their own mother"—replacing the real one, who may never have been fully present or was perhaps abusive, with the parent they actually deserved to have.

Joseph Bailey41 said:In a typical development scenario, that's how it goes... Grandma Branka or Aunt Lydia comes over for a visit, and so on. But occasionally, something goes sideways, and play takes on these mythological dimensions as a way to resolve an underlying conflict (most often involving a lack of acceptance from the mother) on an archetypal level. For instance, I remember a mother once asking me, "What would you do if I died?" (she wasn't sick or anything, maybe it was depression, but I didn't know how to recognize those things back then), and I instantly blurted out, "I'd just get a new mom."

Much later, I discovered that early traumas can be worked through using a technique called > resourcing. In this process, the client first vividly imagines a scene of an ideal parent with a child, then steps into the role of that imagined parent, and only after that can they truly "feel" what it is like to be the child. Through this process, the client essentially "gives birth to their own mother"—replacing the real one, who may never have been fully present or was perhaps abusive, with the parent they actually deserved to have.

Based on the archetypal childhood play pattern you just described, it’s glaringly obvious that "something is wrong"—it deviates from the norm. Your (the child's) statement about "giving birth to a different mother" isn't actually related to the psycho-engineering you're citing; rather, it's a very specific articulation of a specific lived reality... (otherwise, you'd frame the connection differently).

I’m not a fan of methods or technologies that rely on denial—that's never a recipe for success—especially when they encourage people to fantasize about an "ideal situation." In borderline cases, these kinds of methods almost certainly lead straight into psychosis. Even if you describe it as a sort of adapted CBT, the part where you inhabit the mother's role and then return to the child's role isn't necessarily bad, but there are some critical elements missing here...

...though there are certain psycho-technologies out there that can resolve lifelong traumas in just a few minutes.

Joseph Bailey41 said:People will say anything. It seems like folks love to ramble on about things they don't understand at all. Honestly, that kind of speculation doesn't interest me one bit—I prefer to write about what I know and ask questions about what I don't, just to hear different perspectives. As for God, I don't know anything about Him, nor do I really care, because I don't see how understanding His nature would change my life, the lives of those close to me, or the world at large. Or, to put it bluntly—I couldn't care less.

People love to babble about whatever suits them. They prefer complexity because they find simplicity impossible to process. The truth is we know nothing at all; we just talk. That’s the reality of it, plain and simple.😁

Paul Rogers94 said:Based on the archetypal childhood play pattern you just described, it’s glaringly obvious that "something is wrong"—it deviates from the norm. Your (the child's) statement about "giving birth to a different mother" isn't actually related to the psycho-engineering you're citing; rather, it's a very specific articulation of a specific lived reality... (otherwise, you'd frame the connection differently).

I’m not a fan of methods or technologies that rely on denial—that's never a recipe for success—especially when they encourage people to fantasize about an "ideal situation." In borderline cases, these kinds of methods almost certainly lead straight into psychosis. Even if you describe it as a sort of adapted CBT, the part where you inhabit the mother's role and then return to the child's role isn't necessarily bad, but there are some critical elements missing here...

...though there are certain psycho-technologies out there that can resolve lifelong traumas in just a few minutes.

Your intuition is spot on. This is a technique used in EMDR (which is reserved for specific cases) and it’s closely linked to CBT; in fact, they are often practiced under the same roof here in the States. I don't know if anyone specifically does Dyadic resourcing, though I do know someone who practices somatic psychotherapy, which is also appropriate for these situations. Beyond those role-playing exercises, there are other things done to create a sense of stability, relaxation, and grounding.

By tinkering with various techniques on my own, I’ve managed to resolve quite a lot. Only one thing remains—and it’s not even a trauma, but a specific parental prohibition (as defined in transactional analysis; it’s not something trivial like being forbidden from going out). I can't say for sure if it's fully resolved, because the effects aren't constant; they pop up occasionally as certain compulsions. About twice a year, they last for a week or two, and if the rest of my life is well-ordered, they pass on their own without me having to make any foolish mistakes.

I’m not sure if it’s wise to dwell on this on this subforum, as it seems like many people here successfully deal with things through "spiritual bypassing," and I really wouldn't want to cause any waves. If you want, let me know which techniques you mean, and I’ll look them up online... I might have already tried some of them.

An Indigo child simply can't reach full maturity. It’s as if they either remain stuck in a state of perpetual childhood, or they carry around this internal "inner child" that acts like a literal toddler deep within their psyche.

I find myself much more concerned about those individuals who went through specific, turbulent phases during their teenage years and were essentially tossed aside—left to rot in the metaphorical trash bin of memory—than I am about people who have been consistently mistreated since the very beginning.

The way you’re describing them—it sounds like "indigo children" are basically those kids who hit puberty way too early and just stay in that phase forever,
and let's be honest, they usually end up with parents who have no clue what's actually going on?