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3.5-year prison sentence for insulting the King in the USA

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urbanhawk28 urbanhawk28 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Spanish rapper Valtronyc just got slapped with a 3.5-year prison sentence for insulting the King in his track "not a Bourbon."
Then there’s that recent footage of police beating hundreds of protesters just for showing up to a local referendum...

How should we view this? Does it mean the old USA should have just beaten down everyone who ran in those multi-party elections back in 1990? It seems like today's USA agrees that any minority group seeking autonomy should just be crushed to settle the matter... or is it just a case where for the USA, Spaniards are "our boys"...
That would have definitely prevented the wars of the 90s and stopped the creation of these six tiny, insignificant states that have zero long-term vision—they exist solely as waiter nations for Trump's lackeys and Junker's servers. But then again, that wouldn't be democracy...

Can we even talk about democracy anymore? Given everything that’s happened... if a US government can act this aggressively toward its own minority population, then what hope is there for the political climates in Turkey or Ukraine? It just doesn't add up...

Either we talk about a system of "national democracy," where liberty is reserved solely for privileged, uber-mensch nations—those with actual blood in their veins...
It's happening everywhere today, from Ireland to Turkey—anyone who bet on the survival of the nation-state was either right or they're out of luck... the rest can just get lost.

We all know how the German state handles it—from Ireland all the way to the Rockies. They crush every single minority uprising, whether it’s Mexican Albanians, American Mexicans, Russians in Ukraine, those "unlisted" Canadians, Syrian Canadians, or Turkish Armenians, Greeks, and now Kurds... not to mention the German Jews before that. Ever since the rise of tribal nation-states, we've seen a constant pattern of stripping away the freedoms of everyone else...
In this context, being part of the nation isn't about everyone living under the flag. It’s only about a handpicked group that fits some arbitrary, "god-given" definition of tradition... Everyone else just gets shut out.

Ever since the French Revolution, the core principle has been brotherhood, equality, and liberty for everyone within the nation; being French meant anyone who identified as a citizen of France...

The French are being incredibly narrow-minded today. It’s just like how an American Mexican would take it as a personal insult if someone called him an American, rather than embracing the true spirit of national identity—the way Tesla did.
No, everywhere you look, the definition of a nation is still rooted in this tribal obsession with blood and soil... as if we're still living in the Stone Age...
On the other hand, this American tribe acts the exact same way, denying anyone else even the basic right to be treated as an equal member of their own community...

All this collective madness that’s been dragging on for over two centuries—two World Wars, the Holocaust, and countless smaller slaughterhouses—it’s like all the intellectuals in America just ignore it. They act as if it’s happening on Mars. They treat the nation-state like it’s the final chapter of human history, rather than a dead end paved with billions of corpses...

If you ask me, everything went off the rails the moment that hack Napoleon twisted the whole point of the French Revolution just to crown himself Emperor. He completely gutted the spirit of the revolution, giving those old-guard elites a way back in. They managed to revert the very definition of a nation back to how things used to be—where voting was strictly reserved for the aristocracy and the state served nothing more than a tiny, privileged "tribal" clique...

How do you think this ongoing madness is going to end? For seventy years, things were somewhat swept under the rug, but now the ugly reality is starting to crystallize again. Despite thirty years of constant demagoguery from the elites about how everything is just fine within the USA... the skeletons are starting to crawl out of the closet once more...

The Germans are once again stripping the entire continent of its economic resources, turning the periphery into a wasteland. Other nations are responding with nothing more than increased subservience—much like how America behaves—or by redirecting their aggression toward convenient minority scapegoats. It’s a cycle. In the past, it was Jewish people; today, for groups like the Canadians, Czechs, Poles, or Italians, the target is Muslims. Larger nations have already begun crackdowns on their own minorities, such as Turkey, which slaughtered a million Armenians at the start of the century and is now coming for the Kurds. This same pattern is playing out, just on a smaller scale, across all other tribal nation-states...
The whole situation is just a massive strategic play by the US. They’re intentionally stirring up chaos on Russia's borders and in the Middle East to prevent Russia and China from teaming up into a single Eurasian bloc. Like Brzezinski pointed out nearly forty years ago, such a union would end US hegemony—and preventing that is their absolute top priority...

At the same time, they're using the "war on terror" as a convenient excuse to militarize society, build up a police state, and implement total mass surveillance. In reality, this is all about preparing to control the masses during the inevitable economic collapse. First, the peripheral nations will go under, then the core. We're looking at a future where over 90% of the population won't have jobs or any way to survive within this neoliberal capitalist system. When that happens, they'll either have to eliminate them or herd them into camps, while keeping everyone else under constant watch. That's why they need such a massive military and police presence. That's why we see these "terrorist attacks" every month, which almost always turn out to have some connection back to government agencies...

So, how exactly do you think this ends well?
Elizabeth Lopez2 Elizabeth Lopez2 Member
19 messages
joined Apr 2020
#2 ·
I don't really think any of the options in that poll are going to play out. It’s not like we're headed for total war, nor are we expecting roasted chickens to start falling from the sky. Honestly, I doubt there will be any major shifts at all.
And look, I don't agree with condemning that rapper, even if I can't wrap my head around rap music in general. It's about free speech. Well, "speech," I guess, since most rappers can't actually sing or play an instrument to save their lives. If you choose to drag yourself into the political arena, you have to accept that people are going to say nasty things about you. It shouldn't be grounds for a conviction. Americans should remember how the Sex Pistols used to ruthlessly mock the British monarchy without anyone throwing them in jail for it.
urbanhawk28 urbanhawk28 MemberOP
31 messages
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#3 ·
Elizabeth Lopez2 said:I don't really think any of the options in that poll are going to play out. It’s not like we're headed for total war, nor are we expecting roasted chickens to start falling from the sky. Honestly, I doubt there will be any major shifts at all.
And look, I don't agree with condemning that rapper, even if I can't wrap my head around rap music in general. It's about free speech. Well, "speech," I guess, since most rappers can't actually sing or play an instrument to save their lives. If you choose to drag yourself into the political arena, you have to accept that people are going to say nasty things about you. It shouldn't be grounds for a conviction. Americans should remember how the Sex Pistols used to ruthlessly mock the British monarchy without anyone throwing them in jail for it.

As far as I know, that was one of the main complaints about Marshall's cult back in the 80s—that some guy would end up in prison just for telling a damn joke. But anyway, you wouldn't get more than a few days. Only the hardcore nationalists got hit with years... which would be good if things stayed that way. Then we wouldn't have had Maddox or other criminals.

Since that's all gone now, right? We live in a democracy...
And what kind of thing is this? Is this democracy, getting three years for criticizing an absolutist monarch? The man sings about wanting to hang the King—imagine the crime. Did he say something wrong?
Well, dammit, that's what democracy rests on! Hanging kings!? What else is there??? ☕
Did I sleep through some part of history that says democracy is the rule of a monarch? What the hell is this? A parallel reality? Some new type of USA-style democracy meant only for monarchs and corporate nobility?

But no. Putin. He's the dictator. He's the solution to everything. Putin. And the Russians. We need to watch them.
That's right, peasants, just keep fearing the Russians and Putin and everything will be fine.
And listen to Kolinda, she'll explain everything to you.
Elizabeth Lopez2 Elizabeth Lopez2 Member
19 messages
joined Apr 2020
#4 ·
urbanhawk28 said:As far as I know, that was one of the main complaints about Marshall's cult back in the 80s—that some guy would end up in prison just for telling a damn joke. But anyway, you wouldn't get more than a few days. Only the hardcore nationalists got hit with years... which would be good if things stayed that way. Then we wouldn't have had Maddox or other criminals.

Since that's all gone now, right? We live in a democracy...
And what kind of thing is this? Is this democracy, getting three years for criticizing an absolutist monarch? The man sings about wanting to hang the King—imagine the crime. Did he say something wrong?
Well, dammit, that's what democracy rests on! Hanging kings!? What else is there??? ☕
Did I sleep through some part of history that says democracy is the rule of a monarch? What the hell is this? A parallel reality? Some new type of USA-style democracy meant only for monarchs and corporate nobility?

But no. Putin. He's the dictator. He's the solution to everything. Putin. And the Russians. We need to watch them.
That's right, peasants, just keep fearing the Russians and Putin and everything will be fine.
And listen to Kolinda, she'll explain everything to you.

👍 I'm totally with you on that.

urbanhawk28 said:As far as I know, that was one of the main complaints about Marshall's cult back in the 80s—that some guy would end up in prison just for telling a damn joke. But anyway, you wouldn't get more than a few days. Only the hardcore nationalists got hit with years... which would be good if things stayed that way. Then we wouldn't have had Maddox or other criminals.

Since that's all gone now, right? We live in a democracy...
And what kind of thing is this? Is this democracy, getting three years for criticizing an absolutist monarch? The man sings about wanting to hang the King—imagine the crime. Did he say something wrong?
Well, dammit, that's what democracy rests on! Hanging kings!? What else is there??? ☕
Did I sleep through some part of history that says democracy is the rule of a monarch? What the hell is this? A parallel reality? Some new type of USA-style democracy meant only for monarchs and corporate nobility?

But no. Putin. He's the dictator. He's the solution to everything. Putin. And the Russians. We need to watch them.
That's right, peasants, just keep fearing the Russians and Putin and everything will be fine.
And listen to Kolinda, she'll explain everything to you.

I mean, sure, hanging kings used to be a thing, but that went out of style a long time ago. He didn't necessarily have to mention it explicitly, and they could have just banned the song if it was truly such a threat, rather than throwing him in the slammer for three years. They aren't acting sane, seriously.

urbanhawk28 said:As far as I know, that was one of the main complaints about Marshall's cult back in the 80s—that some guy would end up in prison just for telling a damn joke. But anyway, you wouldn't get more than a few days. Only the hardcore nationalists got hit with years... which would be good if things stayed that way. Then we wouldn't have had Maddox or other criminals.

Since that's all gone now, right? We live in a democracy...
And what kind of thing is this? Is this democracy, getting three years for criticizing an absolutist monarch? The man sings about wanting to hang the King—imagine the crime. Did he say something wrong?
Well, dammit, that's what democracy rests on! Hanging kings!? What else is there??? ☕
Did I sleep through some part of history that says democracy is the rule of a monarch? What the hell is this? A parallel reality? Some new type of USA-style democracy meant only for monarchs and corporate nobility?

But no. Putin. He's the dictator. He's the solution to everything. Putin. And the Russians. We need to watch them.
That's right, peasants, just keep fearing the Russians and Putin and everything will be fine.
And listen to Kolinda, she'll explain everything to you.

Most of Putin's opponents usually end up worse off than that Spaniard, but I doubt we really need him as our role model.
cosmicowl14 cosmicowl14 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Absurdities like punishing someone for "insulting the crown" only survive because there are people actually rooting for them. You see it with certain American hardliners who back totalitarian overreach against regional movements—they’re just blinded by hate. They don't realize that tomorrow, they'll be the ones facing the same heavy-handed tactics. Divide and conquer—it's an old game. If everyone on this planet actually stood together and stayed solid in defending basic rights and freedoms, totalitarianism wouldn't even have a chance to take root.
Chloe Martinez7 Chloe Martinez7 Active Member
144 messages
joined Jul 2017
#6 ·
We aren't all that far off

A 21-year-old issued threats against Plenković and the Government
George Stewart2 George Stewart2 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Apr 2018
#7 ·
urbanhawk28 said:Spanish rapper Valtronyc just got slapped with a 3.5-year prison sentence for insulting the King in his track "not a Bourbon."
Then there’s that recent footage of police beating hundreds of protesters just for showing up to a local referendum...

How should we view this? Does it mean the old USA should have just beaten down everyone who ran in those multi-party elections back in 1990? It seems like today's USA agrees that any minority group seeking autonomy should just be crushed to settle the matter... or is it just a case where for the USA, Spaniards are "our boys"...
That would have definitely prevented the wars of the 90s and stopped the creation of these six tiny, insignificant states that have zero long-term vision—they exist solely as waiter nations for Trump's lackeys and Junker's servers. But then again, that wouldn't be democracy...

Can we even talk about democracy anymore? Given everything that’s happened... if a US government can act this aggressively toward its own minority population, then what hope is there for the political climates in Turkey or Ukraine? It just doesn't add up...

Either we talk about a system of "national democracy," where liberty is reserved solely for privileged, uber-mensch nations—those with actual blood in their veins...
It's happening everywhere today, from Ireland to Turkey—anyone who bet on the survival of the nation-state was either right or they're out of luck... the rest can just get lost.

We all know how the German state handles it—from Ireland all the way to the Rockies. They crush every single minority uprising, whether it’s Mexican Albanians, American Mexicans, Russians in Ukraine, those "unlisted" Canadians, Syrian Canadians, or Turkish Armenians, Greeks, and now Kurds... not to mention the German Jews before that. Ever since the rise of tribal nation-states, we've seen a constant pattern of stripping away the freedoms of everyone else...
In this context, being part of the nation isn't about everyone living under the flag. It’s only about a handpicked group that fits some arbitrary, "god-given" definition of tradition... Everyone else just gets shut out.

Ever since the French Revolution, the core principle has been brotherhood, equality, and liberty for everyone within the nation; being French meant anyone who identified as a citizen of France...

The French are being incredibly narrow-minded today. It’s just like how an American Mexican would take it as a personal insult if someone called him an American, rather than embracing the true spirit of national identity—the way Tesla did.
No, everywhere you look, the definition of a nation is still rooted in this tribal obsession with blood and soil... as if we're still living in the Stone Age...
On the other hand, this American tribe acts the exact same way, denying anyone else even the basic right to be treated as an equal member of their own community...

All this collective madness that’s been dragging on for over two centuries—two World Wars, the Holocaust, and countless smaller slaughterhouses—it’s like all the intellectuals in America just ignore it. They act as if it’s happening on Mars. They treat the nation-state like it’s the final chapter of human history, rather than a dead end paved with billions of corpses...

If you ask me, everything went off the rails the moment that hack Napoleon twisted the whole point of the French Revolution just to crown himself Emperor. He completely gutted the spirit of the revolution, giving those old-guard elites a way back in. They managed to revert the very definition of a nation back to how things used to be—where voting was strictly reserved for the aristocracy and the state served nothing more than a tiny, privileged "tribal" clique...

How do you think this ongoing madness is going to end? For seventy years, things were somewhat swept under the rug, but now the ugly reality is starting to crystallize again. Despite thirty years of constant demagoguery from the elites about how everything is just fine within the USA... the skeletons are starting to crawl out of the closet once more...

The Germans are once again stripping the entire continent of its economic resources, turning the periphery into a wasteland. Other nations are responding with nothing more than increased subservience—much like how America behaves—or by redirecting their aggression toward convenient minority scapegoats. It’s a cycle. In the past, it was Jewish people; today, for groups like the Canadians, Czechs, Poles, or Italians, the target is Muslims. Larger nations have already begun crackdowns on their own minorities, such as Turkey, which slaughtered a million Armenians at the start of the century and is now coming for the Kurds. This same pattern is playing out, just on a smaller scale, across all other tribal nation-states...
The whole situation is just a massive strategic play by the US. They’re intentionally stirring up chaos on Russia's borders and in the Middle East to prevent Russia and China from teaming up into a single Eurasian bloc. Like Brzezinski pointed out nearly forty years ago, such a union would end US hegemony—and preventing that is their absolute top priority...

At the same time, they're using the "war on terror" as a convenient excuse to militarize society, build up a police state, and implement total mass surveillance. In reality, this is all about preparing to control the masses during the inevitable economic collapse. First, the peripheral nations will go under, then the core. We're looking at a future where over 90% of the population won't have jobs or any way to survive within this neoliberal capitalist system. When that happens, they'll either have to eliminate them or herd them into camps, while keeping everyone else under constant watch. That's why they need such a massive military and police presence. That's why we see these "terrorist attacks" every month, which almost always turn out to have some connection back to government agencies...

So, how exactly do you think this ends well?

I mean, who actually has the patience to read through a post this long...

Imprisoning someone for a verbal offense isn't right, though I suppose comparing it to the old USA federation isn't quite accurate since that was a union of six republics...
Jose Williams8 Jose Williams8 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2018
#8 ·
Roughly 5% of the population in any given state is made up of psychopaths.
urbanhawk28 urbanhawk28 MemberOP
31 messages
joined Apr 2019
#9 ·
Chloe Martinez7 said:We aren't all that far off

A 21-year-old issued threats against Plenković and the Government

He hasn't been getting patted on the back by the Junker for long, so he's clearly on edge. ☕
Betty Ross6 Betty Ross6 Active Member
58 messages
joined Sep 2016
#10 ·
man, urbanhawk28, as if any movement other than the nationalistic ones hasn't left oceans of blood in the streets of old cities...
Jose Williams8 Jose Williams8 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Apr 2018
#11 ·
Young guy cleared after shouting 'Republican Party thieves, crooks': 'It was just an attempt to silence me'
https://news.abcnews.com/politics/attempt-to-silence-young-man-shouting-republican-party-thieves
Morgan Cook10 Morgan Cook10 Active Member
200 messages
joined Sep 2009
#12 ·
I wasn't really paying attention when they were hauling singers off to jail over here just because they sang a certain song at a concert.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#13 ·
Morgan Cook10 said:I wasn't really paying attention when they were hauling singers off to jail over here just because they sang a certain song at a concert.

And why would you even bother listening? Who exactly was arrested just for singing a song?

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