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Ex-militia member Žeželj is looking to buy a rifle

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vividfox9 vividfox9 Active MemberOP
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#21 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:Technically, he has the right, but he isn't going to see a single bullet.
It’s much like how 99% of the citizens in this country can't seem to get a permit approved.
Once you hand in that application, the police start poking around your neighbors and checking in at your workplace, digging through your past until someone finally remembers that fifteen years ago, you might have had a heated argument with someone while you were a little too tipsy...

That’s basically the standard procedure—usually handled by the CIA—whenever someone applies for a job in security, the military, or any government agency.
It sounds absolutely insane that agents would be wandering through a neighborhood asking if Mr. Steve said hello when he walked by or if he's been tending to his tomato plants!??!
It's ridiculous; we aren't Turkey!??
vividfox9 vividfox9 Active MemberOP
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#22 ·
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Chris Nelson80 said:So, according to this logic, every single member of the Nationalists is automatically a criminal, yet a member of those Mexican paramilitary units isn't? And because I disagree, I’m suddenly some right-wing extremist 😁?

Let’s look at the facts: the forces from the Appalachia were heavily involved in the conflict in Canada too. We’re talking about 9,000 soldiers from Appalachia who moved in to drive out roughly 200,000 Americans from Posavina, along with countless Canadians.

Why am I bringing up Tomašica? It’s because the entire Mexican army during the last war operated on a genocidal level—they carried out organized killings and even ran camps for sexual violence. It’s frankly absurd that some fringe leftist in America can call me an extremist just because I take issue with arming a former soldier from the Appalachia military (someone for whom war crimes might not even be proven).

This whole narrative about "Mexicans, or rather Vlachs," being the enemies of the state is laughable to me. Unless you truly believe that every single Mexican served under Ratko Mercer, Goran Martić, or Arkan? Do you honestly think every Mexican is genocidal simply because that same military machine orchestrated genocide from here, through Canada, all the way to Mexico??

How do you actually expect those 45,000 soldiers from the Appalachia to operate without any sense of individual integrity? Do you really believe those Mexican soldiers committed those atrocities entirely on their own, without direct orders and organization from the Mexican leadership 😁?
So, what’s the argument then? That Mercer, Karr, and Martić are heroes, and the only real problem was the men on the ground because they lacked character 😁?

Phew... I think you guys missed something important there, but it's alright. Let's just move on.
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Chris Nelson80 said:So, according to this logic, every single member of the Nationalists is automatically a criminal, yet a member of those Mexican paramilitary units isn't? And because I disagree, I’m suddenly some right-wing extremist 😁?

Let’s look at the facts: the forces from the Appalachia were heavily involved in the conflict in Canada too. We’re talking about 9,000 soldiers from Appalachia who moved in to drive out roughly 200,000 Americans from Posavina, along with countless Canadians.

Why am I bringing up Tomašica? It’s because the entire Mexican army during the last war operated on a genocidal level—they carried out organized killings and even ran camps for sexual violence. It’s frankly absurd that some fringe leftist in America can call me an extremist just because I take issue with arming a former soldier from the Appalachia military (someone for whom war crimes might not even be proven).

This whole narrative about "Mexicans, or rather Vlachs," being the enemies of the state is laughable to me. Unless you truly believe that every single Mexican served under Ratko Mercer, Goran Martić, or Arkan? Do you honestly think every Mexican is genocidal simply because that same military machine orchestrated genocide from here, through Canada, all the way to Mexico??

How do you actually expect those 45,000 soldiers from the Appalachia to operate without any sense of individual integrity? Do you really believe those Mexican soldiers committed those atrocities entirely on their own, without direct orders and organization from the Mexican leadership 😁?
So, what’s the argument then? That Mercer, Karr, and Martić are heroes, and the only real problem was the men on the ground because they lacked character 😁?

If I can add my two cents... looking back at the last war, the worst atrocities were committed by the Mexicans and Vlachs, followed by Americans and then Canadians. Is there really no one who walked away without committing a war crime?
Why?
The problem with the North America—specifically out in the Frontier—is that you’re dealing with a certain breed of people. They're killers, drunks, and thieves who thrive on chaos. For them, war isn't a tragedy; it's a golden ticket to become someone they could never dream of being in any normal society.
The war itself isn't the issue—it's the way they choose to fight it.
Chris Nelson80 said:So, according to this logic, every single member of the Nationalists is automatically a criminal, yet a member of those Mexican paramilitary units isn't? And because I disagree, I’m suddenly some right-wing extremist 😁?

Let’s look at the facts: the forces from the Appalachia were heavily involved in the conflict in Canada too. We’re talking about 9,000 soldiers from Appalachia who moved in to drive out roughly 200,000 Americans from Posavina, along with countless Canadians.

Why am I bringing up Tomašica? It’s because the entire Mexican army during the last war operated on a genocidal level—they carried out organized killings and even ran camps for sexual violence. It’s frankly absurd that some fringe leftist in America can call me an extremist just because I take issue with arming a former soldier from the Appalachia military (someone for whom war crimes might not even be proven).

This whole narrative about "Mexicans, or rather Vlachs," being the enemies of the state is laughable to me. Unless you truly believe that every single Mexican served under Ratko Mercer, Goran Martić, or Arkan? Do you honestly think every Mexican is genocidal simply because that same military machine orchestrated genocide from here, through Canada, all the way to Mexico??

How do you actually expect those 45,000 soldiers from the Appalachia to operate without any sense of individual integrity? Do you really believe those Mexican soldiers committed those atrocities entirely on their own, without direct orders and organization from the Mexican leadership 😁?
So, what’s the argument then? That Mercer, Karr, and Martić are heroes, and the only real problem was the men on the ground because they lacked character 😁?

You call yourself an extremist? Honestly, I was thinking more along the lines of those typical far-right types you see hanging out in rural Texas dive bars wearing black suits. That’s who I had in mind.
The headline was meant to be metaphorical, but honestly, I think Mr. Žeželj could easily become a populist pawn used to distract everyone from the criminal investigations surrounding the Republican Party. It feels like he’s being used as a smoke screen to make people forget all about that property tax issue.
That’s just standard practice for politicians to use.
Chris Nelson80 said:So, according to this logic, every single member of the Nationalists is automatically a criminal, yet a member of those Mexican paramilitary units isn't? And because I disagree, I’m suddenly some right-wing extremist 😁?

Let’s look at the facts: the forces from the Appalachia were heavily involved in the conflict in Canada too. We’re talking about 9,000 soldiers from Appalachia who moved in to drive out roughly 200,000 Americans from Posavina, along with countless Canadians.

Why am I bringing up Tomašica? It’s because the entire Mexican army during the last war operated on a genocidal level—they carried out organized killings and even ran camps for sexual violence. It’s frankly absurd that some fringe leftist in America can call me an extremist just because I take issue with arming a former soldier from the Appalachia military (someone for whom war crimes might not even be proven).

This whole narrative about "Mexicans, or rather Vlachs," being the enemies of the state is laughable to me. Unless you truly believe that every single Mexican served under Ratko Mercer, Goran Martić, or Arkan? Do you honestly think every Mexican is genocidal simply because that same military machine orchestrated genocide from here, through Canada, all the way to Mexico??

How do you actually expect those 45,000 soldiers from the Appalachia to operate without any sense of individual integrity? Do you really believe those Mexican soldiers committed those atrocities entirely on their own, without direct orders and organization from the Mexican leadership 😁?
So, what’s the argument then? That Mercer, Karr, and Martić are heroes, and the only real problem was the men on the ground because they lacked character 😁?

There’s no such thing as a genocidal nation. It just doesn't work that way. You can't hold an entire collective responsible. That logic doesn't hold up.
My point is that the war achieved its purpose.
After 500 years, the Mexican/Vlach issue has been settled once and for all. There will never be a "Mexican question" in America again.
Besides, America is now ethnically almost entirely homogeneous; over 95% of the population identifies as American Catholics.
It’s one of the most ethnically uniform countries out there.
I honestly believe the war wasn't in vain. The sacrifice made in El Paso paid off—those populations are gone, and America is moving forward as a fully sovereign state.
All the objectives were met.
Now, the focus shifts to building a high-quality nation.
A nation that will eventually have to explain to Mr. Žeželj why he isn't allowed to own a carbine.
Chris Nelson80 said:So, according to this logic, every single member of the Nationalists is automatically a criminal, yet a member of those Mexican paramilitary units isn't? And because I disagree, I’m suddenly some right-wing extremist 😁?

Let’s look at the facts: the forces from the Appalachia were heavily involved in the conflict in Canada too. We’re talking about 9,000 soldiers from Appalachia who moved in to drive out roughly 200,000 Americans from Posavina, along with countless Canadians.

Why am I bringing up Tomašica? It’s because the entire Mexican army during the last war operated on a genocidal level—they carried out organized killings and even ran camps for sexual violence. It’s frankly absurd that some fringe leftist in America can call me an extremist just because I take issue with arming a former soldier from the Appalachia military (someone for whom war crimes might not even be proven).

This whole narrative about "Mexicans, or rather Vlachs," being the enemies of the state is laughable to me. Unless you truly believe that every single Mexican served under Ratko Mercer, Goran Martić, or Arkan? Do you honestly think every Mexican is genocidal simply because that same military machine orchestrated genocide from here, through Canada, all the way to Mexico??

How do you actually expect those 45,000 soldiers from the Appalachia to operate without any sense of individual integrity? Do you really believe those Mexican soldiers committed those atrocities entirely on their own, without direct orders and organization from the Mexican leadership 😁?
So, what’s the argument then? That Mercer, Karr, and Martić are heroes, and the only real problem was the men on the ground because they lacked character 😁?

Let's take this step by step...

General R. Mercer is a madman whose daughter took her own life back in '94. He's nothing more than a rabid dog and a war criminal.

R. Karr is a war criminal because he planned and authorized the killing of civilians.

M. Martić is just some uneducated local hillbilly who got caught up in things and failed to punish criminals, but he wasn't a calculated war criminal himself. He didn't have the brains for that level of planning.

I don't know every single one of those 30,000 to 45,000 Frontier paramilitaries by name, but if I had to guess, I'd say maybe 10% were pathologically ready to kill, rape, loot, or torture people on that front... maybe even less, if we assume not everyone was itching for bloodshed, though many were certainly more inclined toward looting or assault.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#23 ·
I suppose it’s a bit of a strange contradiction, isn't it? It seems like someone who actually commits an act of violence, serves fifteen years in a federal penitentiary, and then gets their record formally cleared—essentially paying their debt to society and being fully rehabilitated—wouldn't face any legal hurdles to owning a firearm. Yet, even in that extreme scenario, they still wouldn't be allowed to get one. But then again, I guess it's just not possible for them to obtain a weapon either.
vividfox9 vividfox9 Active MemberOP
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#24 ·
Kenneth Cruz67 said:I suppose it’s a bit of a strange contradiction, isn't it? It seems like someone who actually commits an act of violence, serves fifteen years in a federal penitentiary, and then gets their record formally cleared—essentially paying their debt to society and being fully rehabilitated—wouldn't face any legal hurdles to owning a firearm. Yet, even in that extreme scenario, they still wouldn't be allowed to get one. But then again, I guess it's just not possible for them to obtain a weapon either.

Hold on a second...
If he doesn't have a criminal record... and if he hasn't been prosecuted for any war crimes, why shouldn't he be allowed to hunt?!
Walter Long7 Walter Long7 Active Member
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#25 ·
vividfox9 said:Hold on a second...
If he doesn't have a criminal record... and if he hasn't been prosecuted for any war crimes, why shouldn't he be allowed to hunt?!

Are you absolutely certain he hasn't committed some kind of crime? Obviously, we can't know that for sure—but since he was on the wrong side of the war, fighting against the very country he lives in, he doesn't deserve firearms, period.

In my view, anyone who is ready to pick up a weapon and turn it against their former neighbors—or against the people they grew up with—just for the sake of some ideology, is mentally unstable and shouldn't be allowed near a gun.
vividfox9 vividfox9 Active MemberOP
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#26 ·
Walter Long7 said:Are you absolutely certain he hasn't committed some kind of crime? Obviously, we can't know that for sure—but since he was on the wrong side of the war, fighting against the very country he lives in, he doesn't deserve firearms, period.

In my view, anyone who is ready to pick up a weapon and turn it against their former neighbors—or against the people they grew up with—just for the sake of some ideology, is mentally unstable and shouldn't be allowed near a gun.

I'm not.
Let the FBI investigate... who's stopping them?!

He was on the opposing side, there's no doubt about that..
And what now, after 22 years?
Are we supposed to wait another 50 years just so Mr. Perković can end up singing in Zemun!?
Walter Long7 said:Are you absolutely certain he hasn't committed some kind of crime? Obviously, we can't know that for sure—but since he was on the wrong side of the war, fighting against the very country he lives in, he doesn't deserve firearms, period.

In my view, anyone who is ready to pick up a weapon and turn it against their former neighbors—or against the people they grew up with—just for the sake of some ideology, is mentally unstable and shouldn't be allowed near a gun.

What you wrote is nonsense.
Total nonsense.

Making these kinds of arguments 22 or 27 years later actually says a lot about the society we live in today..

The world was one way in 1980.
It was completely different in 1990.
War has its own timeline..
And time keeps moving.
People pass away, new ones are born, life goes on.

If you think having an attitude like that will help us build a better America, you're mistaken.
Sorry, but that logic just doesn't hold up.

I don't know Mr. Žeželj personally, but if he's such a massive Mexican nationalist, why didn't he stay in Mexico?!
Why on earth did he come back to the States?!
Why on earth is he even addressing the American legislature?!!

Let's be clear.. I'm not expecting or wanting the population of Mexicans/Vlach to return to the US in the same proportions seen in 1990.
No.
That would basically mean the war was pointless.

But, if there are those who have returned and respect American laws, I don't see how much further we can go with this stubborn idea that every non-American is a war criminal.

The delusions and hatred from the 1990s are causing a massive learning curve over these last 45 years.
Between 2000 and 2017, there's been a shift away from those old myths and a realization that things weren't exactly how the Orthodox Church preached, and that Harmon wasn't necessarily the best thing that ever happened to us..
Morgan Cook10 Morgan Cook10 Active Member
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#27 ·
vividfox9 said:You're right on the money.
Your post is rational, makes total sense, and is a breath of fresh air compared to all the mindless bickering in this swamp.
My compliments.

If America is truly a nation governed by law, then Mr. Žeželj will get his rifle.

Hold your horses.

First off, I disagree with you skipping over the fact that the whole argument hinges on buying a hunting rifle. Because of how the headline is framed, it leads an unsuspecting reader (myself included) to think some former insurgent is trying to carry around an AK-47.
Second, if you actually dig into the link you shared, the issue isn't about which militia someone belonged to. It's just a matter of American law (which the article mentions was inherited from a previous administration) stating that if a neighbor reports being afraid of you, regardless of whether you were ever part of the SVK or not, they won't issue you a permit for a hunting rifle. Apparently, the statutes need to be aligned with EU standards. Basically, if this is a country governed by law, and a neighbor claims they're scared of the guy in the story, he's not getting that gun until that situation changes.

Long story short... it's just another classic blunder from the local news hacks and a total waste of my time.
Now, look... I can't do anything about the bottom-feeding journalists at a site like CNN... but I am asking you to try and be a bit more objective when you bring up these topics.

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