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Can you be a philanthropist and a misanthrope at the same time?

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Gerald Hill Gerald Hill Active MemberOP
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I find myself drawn to people because of their capacity for emotion, yet I am often repelled by their fundamental character. To my mind, the depths of human feeling—love, empathy, and true nobility toward others—are profoundly sublime qualities. However, I frequently find myself avoiding social interaction because the sheer weight of certain personalities can be mentally exhausting and quite irritating; frankly, I have little patience for trivialities. In your view, are the concepts of philanthropy and misanthropy frequently misunderstood? Furthermore, what is your own stance regarding humanity?
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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Gerald Hill said:I find myself drawn to people because of their capacity for emotion, yet I am often repelled by their fundamental character. To my mind, the depths of human feeling—love, empathy, and true nobility toward others—are profoundly sublime qualities. However, I frequently find myself avoiding social interaction because the sheer weight of certain personalities can be mentally exhausting and quite irritating; frankly, I have little patience for trivialities. In your view, are the concepts of philanthropy and misanthropy frequently misunderstood? Furthermore, what is your own stance regarding humanity?

The definitions themselves are quite clear... or at least they ought to be.

Interpretations, however, remain entirely up to you; one can choose to accept any word exactly how one sees fit.

Without intending any offense, and with all due respect to your individuality, you strike me as somewhat young—perhaps a bit of a "typical" young intellectual. If I may offer a less academic observation on your point:

I don't quite grasp why you seem to think other people should appeal to you, or that they have some obligation to satisfy your internal sense of "good" feelings.🙂

Nor am I attempting to force you into deep thought, though I hope I don't provoke you in the process. Do you perhaps expect yourself to bring happiness to everyone around you? As noble as that sounds, it borders on being fanatical—if I may use such a heavy term.

If I were to offer a suggestion, I would say you might benefit from focusing on your own emotions and defining them more precisely. After all, those feelings belong to you; they are products of your own being, not the direct result of others. They stem from your core. That is simply a fact. Or, perhaps you have counterarguments. I am currently attempting to practice some self-criticism myself, and as the saying goes, two heads are better than one. As for other people—those whom I neither hate nor love—I listen to what they say, form an opinion, and move on without letting their stupidity or wisdom trigger an emotional response. Do you follow my meaning?🙂

It is easy enough to say all this, and even easier to give advice. But mastery is a skill; it is a sport, a science, and an art. Nothing is achieved without sustained effort and discipline.👍
Gerald Hill Gerald Hill Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2016
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Lawrence Bailey77 said:The definitions themselves are quite clear... or at least they ought to be.

Interpretations, however, remain entirely up to you; one can choose to accept any word exactly how one sees fit.

Without intending any offense, and with all due respect to your individuality, you strike me as somewhat young—perhaps a bit of a "typical" young intellectual. If I may offer a less academic observation on your point:

I don't quite grasp why you seem to think other people should appeal to you, or that they have some obligation to satisfy your internal sense of "good" feelings.🙂

Nor am I attempting to force you into deep thought, though I hope I don't provoke you in the process. Do you perhaps expect yourself to bring happiness to everyone around you? As noble as that sounds, it borders on being fanatical—if I may use such a heavy term.

If I were to offer a suggestion, I would say you might benefit from focusing on your own emotions and defining them more precisely. After all, those feelings belong to you; they are products of your own being, not the direct result of others. They stem from your core. That is simply a fact. Or, perhaps you have counterarguments. I am currently attempting to practice some self-criticism myself, and as the saying goes, two heads are better than one. As for other people—those whom I neither hate nor love—I listen to what they say, form an opinion, and move on without letting their stupidity or wisdom trigger an emotional response. Do you follow my meaning?🙂

It is easy enough to say all this, and even easier to give advice. But mastery is a skill; it is a sport, a science, and an art. Nothing is achieved without sustained effort and discipline.👍

I believe that no one has the right to cause me harm, and that people should help me whenever they are able. To be clear, while I can certainly appreciate the good deeds of noble individuals, that is where it ends. I don't want to hear them dwell on it, because I fear I might eventually hear something from them that leads to disappointment. For instance, when I help someone, I often struggle when they say "thank you," because that person then sincerely expects me to return the favor by thanking them for helping me in the past. If that is their mindset, then they don't truly understand nobility, as they seem to believe that every act requires a reward, whether it be a compliment or a kind word.
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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joined Mar 2015
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Gerald Hill said:I believe that no one has the right to cause me harm, and that people should help me whenever they are able. To be clear, while I can certainly appreciate the good deeds of noble individuals, that is where it ends. I don't want to hear them dwell on it, because I fear I might eventually hear something from them that leads to disappointment. For instance, when I help someone, I often struggle when they say "thank you," because that person then sincerely expects me to return the favor by thanking them for helping me in the past. If that is their mindset, then they don't truly understand nobility, as they seem to believe that every act requires a reward, whether it be a compliment or a kind word.

Is that how it works? Is help somehow an obligation owed specifically to you... just whenever you happen to need it? ☕ And how on earth are you supposed to discern who possesses the means to help and who doesn't? Besides, can't you manage to assist yourself?

How does that sit with you? 😉

Quincy:
To be clear, I can appreciate the good deeds performed by noble individuals, but that is where my interest ends. I have no desire to listen to them dwell on their actions, as I suspect I might eventually hear something from them that leaves me feeling quite disappointed.
Well, you might be able to... but someone else might not. Some people aren't even aware of what you're talking about. How can you hold them responsible for their ignorance? It isn't as if anyone ever taught them, explained it to them, or gave them the lived experience to understand.🙂

Quincy:
When I lend someone a hand, for instance, the issue arises when they say "thank you." It seems to me they genuinely expect me to reciprocate with gratitude simply because they did me a favor.
Something feels fundamentally off here... perhaps give your own words another read. What was it you actually said? 😵

Quincy:
If that is the case, then that person fails to grasp the essence of nobility, since they seem to believe they deserve a reward—whether it be a compliment or a kind word—in exchange for their help.
Would you truly want to attempt to instruct people on things they don't know, based solely on what you feel they *should* know?

And would that knowledge actually serve them as well as it serves you?

Are you perhaps judging selectively what is beneficial for others, or are you viewing everything through your own narrow lens—considering your thoughts on personality cults, totalitarianism, terror, tyranny, monarchies, and those other uncompromising systems?

The ultimate question, I suppose: is everyone (including YOU) truly equal under the rules you've established?

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