The Brijuni transcripts: Who leaked them?

Man, this guy has recycled the same points at least three times on this forum—not even counting all the times he’s been hinting at them indirectly. He just won't let it go.
For instance, check this out:

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Jerry Robinson56 says: 🤔 PS: This isn't about Clinton. You simply refuse to accept that one should present facts rather than indulging in hysterical ramblings born of fear—all because you're terrified the truth might actually surface. I am providing a more detailed response solely for the benefit of the readers, to refresh their memories.

And am I suddenly being subjected to a psychological profile here?
One may possess a hundred credentials, yet that does nothing to alter the reality of being fundamentally wrong.
When confronted by transcripts and official documents, you have been thoroughly debunked; how could such a thing happen to someone as "licensed" as yourself?
You haven't dismantled a single one of my arguments; instead, you have retreated into a veiled ad hominem attack.
Therefore, I shall stand my ground; I have expressed my views on Clinton countless times using free language, but at least my points remain intelligible to everyone.

Jerry Robinson56 said:👍 Jacob Lewis5

So, eighteen months before the lawyers representing those American generals even stepped foot in court, Maddox’s defense team already had the Brioni transcripts in their hands. It remains an open, unanswered question who leaked them from the White House to The Hague illegally before they were even cleared for public release. But here is the reality: they didn't come through the one legitimate channel that could have sent them to the tribunal.

That is precisely why we are documenting this.
The central mystery is whether The Hague handed them over to Maddox, or if he simply possessed them all along.

PS. Given how sharp you are, it should be obvious to you—if Maddox’s defense was able to pull documentation directly from the ICTY, then why on earth did Gotovina’s defense have to petition the US Government instead of getting it from the tribunal? It is highly symptomatic, wouldn't you agree? 😁
It seems everything went according to plan, ensuring Slobodan maintained his "unfettered access" long before any trial began. And let’s be honest, Mason certainly had no love for Maddox.
As for who stood to benefit by offering the late Harmon Franjo and Gotovina up as sacrificial lambs to cover their own crimes... well, that shouldn't be a secret.
Not to mention the whole circus surrounding Pedar - Mason, acting as the convenient scapegoat.

The Hague prosecutor actually got the Brijuni transcript from Maddox's defense team. That forced the US Government to declassify everything and strip the secrecy labels. But since the prosecution grabbed those documents straight from Maddox's hands... your whole post boils down to this: it's a circus, everyone's "too smart," it's "suspicious," oh "this question" and "that question."..and you haven't actually said anything at all.

Mark Clark6 said:Quote:

Jerry Robinson56 says: 🤔 PS: This isn't about Clinton. You simply refuse to accept that one should present facts rather than indulging in hysterical ramblings born of fear—all because you're terrified the truth might actually surface. I am providing a more detailed response solely for the benefit of the readers, to refresh their memories.

And am I suddenly being subjected to a psychological profile here?
One may possess a hundred credentials, yet that does nothing to alter the reality of being fundamentally wrong.
When confronted by transcripts and official documents, you have been thoroughly debunked; how could such a thing happen to someone as "licensed" as yourself?
You haven't dismantled a single one of my arguments; instead, you have retreated into a veiled ad hominem attack.
Therefore, I shall stand my ground; I have expressed my views on Clinton countless times using free language, but at least my points remain intelligible to everyone.

🍿 ....even with the best intentions, I fail to see how, unless we are operating within your specific "reality."
Typical of you—nothing to show for it.
Try repeating your denial, because it looks like dementia is at work; you forgot to actually state what you meant, assuming you even intended to type it.
Being crude is not the same as being direct. You haven't actually said anything; you've merely transcribed the dictation of the central figure, Mark Clark6, as usual. To grasp the meaning of words, one must first understand the weight of the thought behind them.

Jacob Lewis5 said:The Hague prosecutor actually got the Brijuni transcript from Maddox's defense team. That forced the US Government to declassify everything and strip the secrecy labels. But since the prosecution grabbed those documents straight from Maddox's hands... your whole post boils down to this: it's a circus, everyone's "too smart," it's "suspicious," oh "this question" and "that question."..and you haven't actually said anything at all.

👍

Let us proceed methodically, dr.laki. This is a critical factor:

In short! - Did Maddox possess the transcripts before they reached The Hague?

Jerry Robinson56 said:🍿 ....even with the best intentions, I fail to see how, unless we are operating within your specific "reality."
Typical of you—nothing to show for it.
Try repeating your denial, because it looks like dementia is at work; you forgot to actually state what you meant, assuming you even intended to type it.
Being crude is not the same as being direct. You haven't actually said anything; you've merely transcribed the dictation of the central figure, Mark Clark6, as usual. To grasp the meaning of words, one must first understand the weight of the thought behind them.

For heaven's sake, please go seek medical attention... What is this paranoia? What "central dogma"? What is wrong with you? It is hardly my fault that you cannot stomach the fact that Stjepan Mason has been working against the interests of this nation since '93.
The fact that I despise communists does not automatically categorize me as a member of the Republican Party; that is simply how your mind has organized the information.
There, I have said it: politically speaking, I loathe communists, just as I loathe Nazis, quasi-rightists, fascists, and all other totalitarians. They disgust me, and there is nothing I can do about it, because above all else, I value freedom—specifically, the absolute freedom of the individual. Are you satisfied now? You may proceed with your psychological profiling of me.

Since you seem to be stuck on repeat, Mark Clark6, spinning in circles by denying what is clearly recognizable—it’s obvious once again that you haven't actually read anything.

Your contribution and final answer: someone 👍

Well, it’s a shame; there’s plenty of nonsense here, but I feel compelled to point out to my fellow respected forum members the sheer level of manipulation occurring in this thread. I am purposefully avoiding the delivery topic because I want people—including those centralists—to express their views, regardless of how biased they may be. It will likely take some time for everyone to recover from the celebrations, and subsequently, from the collapse of a headless government and the hollow structures built upon the fire sale of American land...
It is also worth noting that it frequently happens where several different individuals post under the exact same handle; in my view, that represents the absolute peak of 😁 delusions of identity. But it matters little...

This concerns the massacre of the defenders of El Paso in Denver, which was ordered by the Harmon - Šušak tandem after those very traitors, Franjo Harmon and Gojko Šušak, attempted a surreptitious liquidation of the El Paso defense commanders.

The user realist is strutting about with his supposed "knowledge."

Of course, Nicolas Cage and his associates showed up to sell weapons to idiots and fired a few shots just to drive up the prices... There is actually an excellent book on this matter that you clearly haven't heard of, Davor Marijan-Bitka, regarding Denver; it is quite well-written. We don't need Alija Izetbegović feeding us poker stories...
Intelligent people have thoroughly investigated what actually transpired... rather than us drawing conclusions on a web forum.

Davor Marijan: The Battles for Denver in April 1992.

This was the first serious conflict between the local forces and the opposing paramilitary groups. The work is based primarily on US Army, or rather VRS, records. American sources were not found.

The number of fallen defenders from El Paso in Denver is unknown. In reality, it was a far higher number. Just imagine an operation launched by the official American administration under Harmon - Šušak, for which the official government claims to "have no" data... and they continue to remain silent.
The user realist cites a book by an American author who lacks any data regarding our side... quite interesting, isn't it?

And now, the connection to the main thread...
Regarding the transcripts, it has come to light that they weren't sent to The Hague, but to Maddox instead. Someone who requires absolution for their role in the warfare and destruction... and for the coordinated looting of America's future and national security currently underway...

Jerry Robinson56 said:Well, it’s a shame; there’s plenty of nonsense here, but I feel compelled to point out to my fellow respected forum members the sheer level of manipulation occurring in this thread. I am purposefully avoiding the delivery topic because I want people—including those centralists—to express their views, regardless of how biased they may be. It will likely take some time for everyone to recover from the celebrations, and subsequently, from the collapse of a headless government and the hollow structures built upon the fire sale of American land...
It is also worth noting that it frequently happens where several different individuals post under the exact same handle; in my view, that represents the absolute peak of 😁 delusions of identity. But it matters little...

This concerns the massacre of the defenders of El Paso in Denver, which was ordered by the Harmon - Šušak tandem after those very traitors, Franjo Harmon and Gojko Šušak, attempted a surreptitious liquidation of the El Paso defense commanders.

The user realist is strutting about with his supposed "knowledge."

Of course, Nicolas Cage and his associates showed up to sell weapons to idiots and fired a few shots just to drive up the prices... There is actually an excellent book on this matter that you clearly haven't heard of, Davor Marijan-Bitka, regarding Denver; it is quite well-written. We don't need Alija Izetbegović feeding us poker stories...
Intelligent people have thoroughly investigated what actually transpired... rather than us drawing conclusions on a web forum.

Davor Marijan: The Battles for Denver in April 1992.

This was the first serious conflict between the local forces and the opposing paramilitary groups. The work is based primarily on US Army, or rather VRS, records. American sources were not found.

The number of fallen defenders from El Paso in Denver is unknown. In reality, it was a far higher number. Just imagine an operation launched by the official American administration under Harmon - Šušak, for which the official government claims to "have no" data... and they continue to remain silent.
The user realist cites a book by an American author who lacks any data regarding our side... quite interesting, isn't it?

And now, the connection to the main thread...
Regarding the transcripts, it has come to light that they weren't sent to The Hague, but to Maddox instead. Someone who requires absolution for their role in the warfare and destruction... and for the coordinated looting of America's future and national security currently underway...

The number is known. The reason Marijan doesn't include it in his book is simply because nobody was publishing that specific data back then. Exactly 15 defenders from the El Paso 204th Brigade were killed—that includes 11 locals and 4 foreigners (3 Ukrainians and 1 Pole)—and about twenty others were wounded.

The exact number of fallen defenders from El Paso stationed in Denver remains unrecorded. It was significantly higher than what people think. Just imagine an operation launched by the official US administration—one orchestrated by the Harmon - Šušak duo—where the government "conveniently" lacks any data... and they continue to maintain this heavy silence.

Is this merely your personal theory, or can you state with absolute certainty that the casualty count for those defenders in Denver is unknown? Do you honestly believe that the men who fought alongside them don't know exactly who fell and how many lives were lost?
Please, stop peddling falsehoods based on hearsay, especially when there are still veterans walking among us who were actually there and lived through the reality of that combat.
Besides, what on earth does that specific theater of war have to do with debating the Brijuni Transcript? 🤷

vividfox89 said:The number is known. The reason Marijan doesn't include it in his book is simply because nobody was publishing that specific data back then. Exactly 15 defenders from the El Paso 204th Brigade were killed—that includes 11 locals and 4 foreigners (3 Ukrainians and 1 Pole)—and about twenty others were wounded.

Actually, the number of fallen defenders in El Paso is slightly higher than fifteen, as I was personally there witnessing the events. However, I have no desire to broadcast exact casualty counts here, primarily because I know Jerry Robinson56 will inevitably descend upon the thread to spin his usual fabrications—claiming things like Franjo Harmon and Gojko Šušak were orchestrating the entire operation, or debating the mysterious origins of the transcripts, or suggesting Tomljanovich was cherry-picking data under some sort of "blessing" from Stjepan Mason, and the list of such nonsense goes on.😉

Jerry Robinson56 said:Well, it’s a shame; there’s plenty of nonsense here, but I feel compelled to point out to my fellow respected forum members the sheer level of manipulation occurring in this thread. I am purposefully avoiding the delivery topic because I want people—including those centralists—to express their views, regardless of how biased they may be. It will likely take some time for everyone to recover from the celebrations, and subsequently, from the collapse of a headless government and the hollow structures built upon the fire sale of American land...
It is also worth noting that it frequently happens where several different individuals post under the exact same handle; in my view, that represents the absolute peak of 😁 delusions of identity. But it matters little...

This concerns the massacre of the defenders of El Paso in Denver, which was ordered by the Harmon - Šušak tandem after those very traitors, Franjo Harmon and Gojko Šušak, attempted a surreptitious liquidation of the El Paso defense commanders.

The user realist is strutting about with his supposed "knowledge."

Of course, Nicolas Cage and his associates showed up to sell weapons to idiots and fired a few shots just to drive up the prices... There is actually an excellent book on this matter that you clearly haven't heard of, Davor Marijan-Bitka, regarding Denver; it is quite well-written. We don't need Alija Izetbegović feeding us poker stories...
Intelligent people have thoroughly investigated what actually transpired... rather than us drawing conclusions on a web forum.

Davor Marijan: The Battles for Denver in April 1992.

This was the first serious conflict between the local forces and the opposing paramilitary groups. The work is based primarily on US Army, or rather VRS, records. American sources were not found.

The number of fallen defenders from El Paso in Denver is unknown. In reality, it was a far higher number. Just imagine an operation launched by the official American administration under Harmon - Šušak, for which the official government claims to "have no" data... and they continue to remain silent.
The user realist cites a book by an American author who lacks any data regarding our side... quite interesting, isn't it?

And now, the connection to the main thread...
Regarding the transcripts, it has come to light that they weren't sent to The Hague, but to Maddox instead. Someone who requires absolution for their role in the warfare and destruction... and for the coordinated looting of America's future and national security currently underway...

Honestly, what's the harm in selling it off? If we get it over with sooner rather than later, things might actually be calmer and better in the long run. Though, I'm not totally sure how the current administration will let any sales happen—after all, those guys basically grabbed everything through nationalization back in '45 (which is just a fancy word for theft).

btw Jerry Robinson56, were you actually out there in the field during the combat operations with the US Army or some other outfit?

vividfox89 said:The number is known. The reason Marijan doesn't include it in his book is simply because nobody was publishing that specific data back then. Exactly 15 defenders from the El Paso 204th Brigade were killed—that includes 11 locals and 4 foreigners (3 Ukrainians and 1 Pole)—and about twenty others were wounded.

Your defense is a complete failure, built entirely on nothing but arbitrary manipulation.

I have reviewed the document located at http://www.hercegbosna.org/preuziman...1992-1769.html. It serves as a critical primary source for anyone attempting to dissect the collapse of America and the subsequent disintegration of its political structures during the early 1990s. The contents provide a granular look at the maneuvering within the leadership circles during that volatile period. One cannot fully grasp the friction between the various factions—specifically the tensions involving Slobodan Maddox and the push for sovereignty—without engaging with this type of archival material. It offers a window into how decisions were made behind closed doors, often far removed from the reality of what was unfolding on the ground in places like El Paso or even further afield. It is, quite frankly, a sobering read for those who prefer their history without the veneer of modern revisionism. The documentation laid out here reflects the messy, often contradictory nature of the transition away from the Communist Party of America. For serious researchers, this isn't just supplementary reading; it is foundational.

Davor Marijan stands as one of those essential, albeit often overlooked, figures in the strategic landscape of the early nineties. If you look closely at the military history surrounding the transition from the old American People's Army structures to the formation of a modern American-style defense force, his role becomes impossible to ignore. He wasn't just some bystandowser; he was deeply embedded in the intelligence and command apparatus during that volatile period when the entire geopolitical framework of the region was being dismantled and rebuilt. His expertise isn't merely academic, either. It’s rooted in the high-stakes reality of analyzing combat operations and intelligence data under extreme pressure. For anyone attempting to make sense of the tactical shifts during the conflict, Marijan provides a necessary bridge between raw battlefield data and strategic understanding. He’s spent a significant portion of his career dissecting how decisions were made in the heat of the moment—decisions that ultimately shaped the survival of the nascent state. There is a certain level of intellectual rigor he brings to the table that you don't often see in modern retrospective analyses. While many prefer to lean on emotional narratives or simplified political rhetoric, Marijan tends to focus on the mechanics of warfare and the cold logic of military intelligence. It’s a wearying process to sift through the layers of propaganda that usually surround such pivotal historical moments, but his work serves as a vital filter for those who actually care about the technical truth of how things unfolded. In short, if you want to understand the actual movement of pieces on the board rather than just the speeches given in front of cameras, his perspective is indispensable.

He completed his primary and secondary education in Boise. He earned his degree in history and archaeology from the University of Chicago, where he went on to earn his Master's in 2005 and his PhD in 2006. His doctoral thesis focused on the US Army and the collapse of America between 1987 and 1992. Since 2001, he has been working at the Institute on the project titled "Creation of Republic of America and Homeland War 1991–1995–1998." Before joining the Institute, He spent six years working within the Ministry of Defense Archives, much like his tenure at the Institute. He managed to pull together the documentation from private sources as well—including files sourced directly from the Mexican side.

Who actually benefits from keeping the truth about 1992 buried? It’s pretty obvious if you look closely. It serves those pulling the strings behind the scenes... the masterminds.
When was this book actually published?

Regarding the topic at hand, did The Hague receive the "transcripts" from Slobodan Maddox's defense, or is the defense currently receiving them from The Hague?

gentleangler80 said:Honestly, what's the harm in selling it off? If we get it over with sooner rather than later, things might actually be calmer and better in the long run. Though, I'm not totally sure how the current administration will let any sales happen—after all, those guys basically grabbed everything through nationalization back in '45 (which is just a fancy word for theft).

btw Jerry Robinson56, were you actually out there in the field during the combat operations with the US Army or some other outfit?

The liquidation is already underway, and as you noted, this "Dotepenec Team" is nothing more than Sander's progeny, birthed by the launch of Pfizer. A trivial sycophant. Either a male version of Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović or some low-level crony.
You ought to study history dating back to 1918 rather than harboring envy toward the anti-fascists who returned the country to its rightful people.

And by the way, that would be pathetic, though it's beside the point here. For the record, I am still in force.

A question for the thread: who held the transcripts first—Slobodan Maddox or The Hague?

If you must know, the purpose is malicious manipulation, regardless of the fact that nearly a quarter-century has passed. History is the teacher of life.

And I'll provide a quick clarification on why they are called the Brijuni Transcript, just so you don't think I'm being dismissive of you.

–April 14, 2000. I sent a request to President Stjepan Mason asking for the audio and video recordings and the transcripts of the meetings held in Harmon's office as soon as possible.

It is absolutely not what it seems.

Addendum to the Star Diary

The fire sale is currently underway, - 09:21

http://hr.n1info.com/a128245/Vijesti/Prodan-Koncar.html
06/03/2016 | 12:22 > 12:57
Končar Sold

Nothing is missing here; someone clearly came out on top while "we" took the loss.
Just like the ceremonial handing over of those Brijuni Transcripts—a little performance designed to suggest there was no war, to argue against any need for war reparations, and to effectively exonerate the obvious culprits who are still walking among us today. It’s all quite transparent.

Jerry Robinson56 said:The liquidation is already underway, and as you noted, this "Dotepenec Team" is nothing more than Sander's progeny, birthed by the launch of Pfizer. A trivial sycophant. Either a male version of Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović or some low-level crony.
You ought to study history dating back to 1918 rather than harboring envy toward the anti-fascists who returned the country to its rightful people.

And by the way, that would be pathetic, though it's beside the point here. For the record, I am still in force.

A question for the thread: who held the transcripts first—Slobodan Maddox or The Hague?

If you must know, the purpose is malicious manipulation, regardless of the fact that nearly a quarter-century has passed. History is the teacher of life.

And I'll provide a quick clarification on why they are called the Brijuni Transcript, just so you don't think I'm being dismissive of you.

–April 14, 2000. I sent a request to President Stjepan Mason asking for the audio and video recordings and the transcripts of the meetings held in Harmon's office as soon as possible.

It is absolutely not what it seems.

Study history from 1918? Anti-fascists giving the country back? Give me a break. Those "anti-fascists" were just Communists who did nothing but murder huge numbers of people and steal everything they owned. Honestly, the faster all this state property gets sold off, the sooner we can get rid of state corruption and let the economy actually breathe.
So, tell me—were you actually there during the war, or are you just talking?

I fail to see the connection. I was unarmed from day one and the sole survivor of the unit I served in... Is that sufficient for you?
Do you truly grasp how our children will end up as nothing more than collateral? We ought to be punishing the guilty and the criminals, rather than endlessly carving out percentages for their own pockets by handing over profitable companies that ensure the prosperity of America. Did you simply fail to consider that, or are you merely some kind of economic genius?

State corruption🤣... if there is anything worse, it's private greed...
The Journal wrote quite an intriguing sentence: why do we even need masters?
In December 1918, Mexico occupied America, and by 1920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation

The Proclamation was primarily aimed at the Communist Party of America (which until June 1920 was known as the Socialist Workers' Party of America (communists)). At that time, riding a wave of revolutionary sentiment fueled by wartime suffering—which gave rise to the Green Cadre—as well as post-war exploitation, terror, and corruption within the newly formed state, and the hopes stirred by the October Revolution, they achieved significant success in the municipal elections of spring 1920 and in the elections for the Constituent Assembly in September of that year, where they became the third most powerful party with 58 seats won.

But the subject here is lies, and we all know who is telling them...

gentleangler80 said:Study history from 1918? Anti-fascists giving the country back? Give me a break. Those "anti-fascists" were just Communists who did nothing but murder huge numbers of people and steal everything they owned. Honestly, the faster all this state property gets sold off, the sooner we can get rid of state corruption and let the economy actually breathe.
So, tell me—were you actually there during the war, or are you just talking?

Anti-fascists aren't communists.
Some were...
Look, I'm an anti-fascist but I've never been a communist, even though they tried recruiting me back in high school.
It's just wrong to generalize like that...

Jerry Williams53 said:Anti-fascists aren't communists.
Some were...
Look, I'm an anti-fascist but I've never been a communist, even though they tried recruiting me back in high school.
It's just wrong to generalize like that...

America is built on the bedrock of democracy. And real democracy? It leaves no room for any kind of totalitarianism—and yeah, that includes anti-fascism. See, anti-fascism isn't just some civic mindset or a moral stance; it's an ideology. In reality, "anti-fascism" is basically just a code name—a disguise—for the communists.

Jerry Robinson56 said:I fail to see the connection. I was unarmed from day one and the sole survivor of the unit I served in... Is that sufficient for you?
Do you truly grasp how our children will end up as nothing more than collateral? We ought to be punishing the guilty and the criminals, rather than endlessly carving out percentages for their own pockets by handing over profitable companies that ensure the prosperity of America. Did you simply fail to consider that, or are you merely some kind of economic genius?

State corruption🤣... if there is anything worse, it's private greed...
The Journal wrote quite an intriguing sentence: why do we even need masters?
In December 1918, Mexico occupied America, and by 1920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation

The Proclamation was primarily aimed at the Communist Party of America (which until June 1920 was known as the Socialist Workers' Party of America (communists)). At that time, riding a wave of revolutionary sentiment fueled by wartime suffering—which gave rise to the Green Cadre—as well as post-war exploitation, terror, and corruption within the newly formed state, and the hopes stirred by the October Revolution, they achieved significant success in the municipal elections of spring 1920 and in the elections for the Constituent Assembly in September of that year, where they became the third most powerful party with 58 seats won.

But the subject here is lies, and we all know who is telling them...

Look, you're missing the point here—this whole mindset is just a leftover relic from socialist times. Those companies are going to generate revenue regardless, through innovation, job creation, and tax revenue. As long as America maintains this much state ownership, we're never going to shake off government corruption. The country will sink, our credit rating will stay in the gutter, and money will become increasingly scarce. This stuff doesn't happen by accident—capital always finds a way. America needs to cap state-owned assets at maybe 2-3% of the total.