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Lisa Patel4 said:Thanks.
In practice, I guess meritocracy has never actually existed as an official form of government. Ancient China had a meritocratic bureaucracy, which is probably why they managed to survive as a nation for 5,000 years. Maybe.
The Ottoman Empire utilized a meritocratic nobility system. Since there was no hereditary aristocracy, anyone could rise to become a Vizier or a Beg. I guess that’s why the empire was such a highly organized state during its peak.
If I recall correctly, I think there might be something about that in Singapore's laws.
Would this actually take root? No. It wouldn't happen in today’s Western societies, and it couldn't. In America, you have a majority of the electorate that is essentially dependent on political parties—whether it's for their jobs or just the hope that it might lead to one. I don't really blame people much for being in a situation like that, I guess.
Maybe this kind of setup would actually work in some collectivist Asian societies. I guess China used to run a system pretty similar to this, where you just have one single party rotating through power.
I guess you could say neoliberalism and corporatism are basically just Darwinian systems. It’s pretty simple: either you're the best, or you get crushed.
Look, history shows us that monarchies had their perks back in the day, I guess. But like any system, they eventually became hostages to a bunch of idiots in the nobility who got so drunk on their own power that they just started doing whatever they wanted.
Absolute monarchy was overthrown, obviously. Then came enlightened absolutism, which I guess produced some pretty solid results at first. But eventually, that system just became a hostage to its own structure.
And here we are, living in a Republic. A Republic that seems to serve various special interest lobbies while constantly sidelining the actual interests of the nation, I guess.
When it comes to Protestantism, I guess it only really works in societies built on heavy individual responsibility. Those cultures have moved past that collectivist mindset. That’s probably why it just won't stick in American culture.
When it comes to meritocracy, I honestly don't see a better way to run things. It’s basically putting the smartest, most capable, and wisest people in charge. No one knows everything, obviously, but if you had a council of 20 experts—people everyone actually agrees are highly skilled and qualified to lead the country—I’d trust them to run the nation in a heartbeat. I’d take that over the same tired faces from the Democratic or Republican establishment who have been cycling through Washington for twenty years and can barely string a coherent sentence together.
We have a Congress where most people don't even show up. There are over 100 parties involved. 🙂
Foreign policy.
Mandatory entry into the V4, aligning more closely with Poland since their influence is growing and they share a lot of our cultural DNA.
I’d view the so-called region strictly through the lens of market opportunities and the interests of Americans living in Canada and Mexico, nothing else. I wouldn't bother meddling in what Mexico does. In Canada, resolving the American question would be non-negotiable; without that, there's no entry anywhere.
I’d try to push projects—mostly infrastructure—toward the V4 nations to bolster our own influence. Things like a low-land rail link from a coastal city to Budapest, and so on.
Leaving the EU or NATO would be nearly impossible, even if we wanted to. Our progress mostly depends on our own will to fix how the country is run. It’s about a total shift in the nation's mindset, which I guess takes decades.
For example: teaching kids from day one that paying taxes is a duty. That following the law is mandatory. That you have an obligation to demand and exercise your constitutional rights, just as you have an obligation to fulfill your constitutional duties. That education—both institutional and self-driven—is the bedrock of personal growth. We should teach children that rationality is what keeps a system sustainable. Spend only what you actually have. Only take on debt when absolutely necessary. Protect your identity. Teach them that patriotism is beautiful, not ugly. Get rid of narcissism. Be confident and honest. Teach them that greed is a vice that destroys people. And so on...
It would take an entire new generation to pull that off.
Thanks for that deep dive into meritocracy; it was super interesting. But when it comes to how our Republican and Democratic crowd handles politics, it seems pretty obvious—the question is, how do we make it stop?? Especially since you pointed out that leaving the European Union or NATO is basically out of the question. Honestly, our current policy isn't even about national sovereignty, or even the free will of those politicians—it feels almost 100% dictated from abroad through this toxic cocktail of corruption, blackmail, and just straight-up incompetence from the politicians. So, how do we break out of that loop? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should ditch any international community that actually benefits us, but the way the EU and NATO operate today is 🤦🤦🤦
Lisa Patel4 said:Thanks.
In practice, I guess meritocracy has never actually existed as an official form of government. Ancient China had a meritocratic bureaucracy, which is probably why they managed to survive as a nation for 5,000 years. Maybe.
The Ottoman Empire utilized a meritocratic nobility system. Since there was no hereditary aristocracy, anyone could rise to become a Vizier or a Beg. I guess that’s why the empire was such a highly organized state during its peak.
If I recall correctly, I think there might be something about that in Singapore's laws.
Would this actually take root? No. It wouldn't happen in today’s Western societies, and it couldn't. In America, you have a majority of the electorate that is essentially dependent on political parties—whether it's for their jobs or just the hope that it might lead to one. I don't really blame people much for being in a situation like that, I guess.
Maybe this kind of setup would actually work in some collectivist Asian societies. I guess China used to run a system pretty similar to this, where you just have one single party rotating through power.
I guess you could say neoliberalism and corporatism are basically just Darwinian systems. It’s pretty simple: either you're the best, or you get crushed.
Look, history shows us that monarchies had their perks back in the day, I guess. But like any system, they eventually became hostages to a bunch of idiots in the nobility who got so drunk on their own power that they just started doing whatever they wanted.
Absolute monarchy was overthrown, obviously. Then came enlightened absolutism, which I guess produced some pretty solid results at first. But eventually, that system just became a hostage to its own structure.
And here we are, living in a Republic. A Republic that seems to serve various special interest lobbies while constantly sidelining the actual interests of the nation, I guess.
When it comes to Protestantism, I guess it only really works in societies built on heavy individual responsibility. Those cultures have moved past that collectivist mindset. That’s probably why it just won't stick in American culture.
When it comes to meritocracy, I honestly don't see a better way to run things. It’s basically putting the smartest, most capable, and wisest people in charge. No one knows everything, obviously, but if you had a council of 20 experts—people everyone actually agrees are highly skilled and qualified to lead the country—I’d trust them to run the nation in a heartbeat. I’d take that over the same tired faces from the Democratic or Republican establishment who have been cycling through Washington for twenty years and can barely string a coherent sentence together.
We have a Congress where most people don't even show up. There are over 100 parties involved. 🙂
Foreign policy.
Mandatory entry into the V4, aligning more closely with Poland since their influence is growing and they share a lot of our cultural DNA.
I’d view the so-called region strictly through the lens of market opportunities and the interests of Americans living in Canada and Mexico, nothing else. I wouldn't bother meddling in what Mexico does. In Canada, resolving the American question would be non-negotiable; without that, there's no entry anywhere.
I’d try to push projects—mostly infrastructure—toward the V4 nations to bolster our own influence. Things like a low-land rail link from a coastal city to Budapest, and so on.
Leaving the EU or NATO would be nearly impossible, even if we wanted to. Our progress mostly depends on our own will to fix how the country is run. It’s about a total shift in the nation's mindset, which I guess takes decades.
For example: teaching kids from day one that paying taxes is a duty. That following the law is mandatory. That you have an obligation to demand and exercise your constitutional rights, just as you have an obligation to fulfill your constitutional duties. That education—both institutional and self-driven—is the bedrock of personal growth. We should teach children that rationality is what keeps a system sustainable. Spend only what you actually have. Only take on debt when absolutely necessary. Protect your identity. Teach them that patriotism is beautiful, not ugly. Get rid of narcissism. Be confident and honest. Teach them that greed is a vice that destroys people. And so on...
It would take an entire new generation to pull that off.
A massive YES when it comes to getting closer to Poland. But honestly, will that even be possible in the way we’re all dreaming of if the EU keeps running its current setup?
I bolded that last sentence because it basically serves as the conclusion for any organized society—yeah, you need a whole new generation—but you also need the right CONDITIONS for that generation to actually be raised properly. Looking back over the last century, the US has faced situations at least four times where we had to wipe the slate clean (whether by choice or by force) and start everything from square one. In those kinds of circumstances, it’s just impossible to build a society where the "torch" passes naturally from grandfather to father to son—or from grandma to daughter to granddaughter. Our society would also have to let go of that excessive, I mean excessive revanchism—that constant urge to get back at whoever came before, or anyone with different political views—but hey, all of that is only doable under conditions of decades of peace. I really hope we see that someday...