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Are Iraqi refugees unwelcome in wealthy Arab countries?

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Participants wiredraven82neonfalcon16Dana Robinson4Sam Alvarez4Christian Torres3silverwalker27Joshua Diaz18Jason Taylor3Jamie Anderson86Edward Fisher3driftingfox66Justin Smith5Nicole Barrett76
wiredraven82 wiredraven82 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
My response:

First off—it’s because these nations fall under category number one: they are Sharia-driven fascist states, much like 95% of all Islamic countries. They can barely tolerate people of their own faith, let alone those from different ethnic backgrounds, much less show any semblance of tolerance toward foreigners wanting to build churches, synagogues, or Hindu temples. Meanwhile, these same wealthy Arab countries spend every single day in the media lecturing European Union nations, calling them "inhumane" for not doing everything possible for refugees. Honestly, who is actually losing their mind here?

Number two: this is how they spread Islam across Europe without ever firing a single bullet. In those wealthy Arab countries, you wouldn't dare walk around wearing a cross, yet Saudi Arabia is busy financing the construction of mosques all over Europe—including the most recent one built in Cleveland.

It’s the absolute peak of "Islamic tolerance on the Arabian Peninsula." It's reminiscent of the Third Reich in 1942. But Europe won't keep falling for this forever—at least not as long as the Liberals are in charge. For the Liberals, whose end is rapidly approaching, even places like Sweden will see the full consequences of this within the next decade.
neonfalcon16 neonfalcon16 Regular
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#2 ·
Qatar funded him, but let’s be honest—it doesn't really matter to us because those two countries can barely agree on anything anyway.
They were right at the center of creating this whole refugee mess, and now their main goal is keeping that chaos far away from their own borders, which is why they won't take them in. But mark my words, they'll be more than happy to send some local coward to go die over there instead.
wiredraven82 wiredraven82 Active MemberOP
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neonfalcon16 said:Qatar funded him, but let’s be honest—it doesn't really matter to us because those two countries can barely agree on anything anyway.
They were right at the center of creating this whole refugee mess, and now their main goal is keeping that chaos far away from their own borders, which is why they won't take them in. But mark my words, they'll be more than happy to send some local coward to go die over there instead.

Alright, Qatar... wow. "What have I gotten myself into here?"...

Every single wealthy nation on the Arabian Peninsula and throughout that part of the world is a SHARIA-FASCIST state—there is simply no debate to be had there. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is either contradicting themselves—essentially biting their own hand—or they are a Fascist themselves (or perhaps just some delusional Liberal). In short, there isn't really any point in discussing this specific topic further. ☕
neonfalcon16 neonfalcon16 Regular
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#4 ·
You just proved my point. To those of us watching from a distance, they might look like two sides of the same coin, but if you look closer, there’s plenty of friction and deep-seated animosity between them. They aren't exactly hand in glove.

Both of these nations are absolute disasters on their own merits, and believing those two facts can't coexist is a logical fallacy.
wiredraven82 wiredraven82 Active MemberOP
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neonfalcon16 said:You just proved my point. To those of us watching from a distance, they might look like two sides of the same coin, but if you look closer, there’s plenty of friction and deep-seated animosity between them. They aren't exactly hand in glove.

Both of these nations are absolute disasters on their own merits, and believing those two facts can't coexist is a logical fallacy.

There’s a distinction there, much like the distinction between Nazism and Fascism, even if they share the same rotten core at the center of it all.

What people in Europe constantly trip over is this supposed concept of "Secular Islam" versus Islam itself.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SECULAR ISLAM. It’s a mutation designed to interface with Western values—look at Turkey or relatively speaking, Azerbaijan. About 95% of the world's Islamic countries operate under Sharia; and I don't think you need me to point out that in Turkey, it is the military that guards secularism in case Islam ever grabs power. They are essentially protecting secularism FROM their own population—which is pretty damn smart, honestly.

Islam as such—the actual, authentic Islam—simply cannot be decoupled from the state. From its inception in 622 to this very day, there is no room for compromise or dilemma in their worldview.

Muslims in Europe—and by that, I mean Canadians, Albanians, and the like—they don't want to accept this reality, but it is the truth. The only real truth. Anything else is just pure Sci-Fi when it comes to Islam.

I can concede to European Muslims (ethnic Europeans who follow the faith) that a version of "secular Islam" might be possible in their hands if they truly desire it—but I will never acknowledge that Islam AS ISLAM is secular, nor that it can be secular if applied according to the very essence of its BEING.

Just a few years back, in Sandjak, Mufti Zukorlić was shouting from the rooftops (across Mexico, Canada, and beyond) that he absolutely LOVES the position Islam holds within the framework of Turkey.

Honestly, there isn't much else to add to that.
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
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#6 ·
It’s just as the poet once said: you know me, and I know you...
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#7 ·
First off, there’s already a thread covering this exact topic.
Second, what on earth is that "Liberals" 😠 nonsense used in the opening comment?
Third, if we're supposedly discussing wealthy nations on the Arabian Peninsula, how did we end up talking about Sandjak, Mufti Zukorlić, and Canada?

The point is...
it's all just inconsistent...
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#8 ·
Just stumbled upon this video where some Americans are explaining why they aren't taking in refugees. link
silverwalker27 silverwalker27 Member
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#9 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:It’s just as the poet once said: you know me, and I know you...

x

They know each other all too well—and they both realize they're usually just nothing more than trouble and dead weight.
Joshua Diaz18 Joshua Diaz18 Member
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#10 ·
Saudi Arabia claims they’ve taken in about 2.5 million Syrians and 1.5 million Yemenis since this whole mess started:
Jason Taylor3 Jason Taylor3 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Just another myth busted, I suppose.
Jamie Anderson86 Jamie Anderson86 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Joshua Diaz18 said:Saudi Arabia claims they’ve taken in about 2.5 million Syrians and 1.5 million Yemenis since this whole mess started:

Suddenly, statements from "unnamed officials" are considered reliable enough, and the Mexican media has all of a sudden become a credible source of information. How can anyone possibly question the competence of the people discussing this topic here!?
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#13 ·
Actually, this info comes straight from the Saudis themselves...

I had actually already shared that link over in the migration thread...
Since this whole conflict kicked off, the Kingdom has taken in roughly 2.5 million Syrians...

Pure propaganda that even their own citizens don't buy... while Arabs from other countries just laugh and wave them off...
Even if you factored in every single Syrian working there for years, plus their families and descendants... they still wouldn't hit that number...
Edward Fisher3 Edward Fisher3 Member
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#14 ·
The Palestinians weren't lying about anything... from the start of 2011 until now, there have been roughly 2 to 3 million people who arrived in Hadz... and about 100,000 were in training... excuse me... studying... plus, there will be several hundred thousand more currently working who applied for visas just like everyone else...
And that's really all there is to it. If anything, they are being quite accurate in their cold detachment... there isn't even any propaganda involved here!
Edward Fisher3 Edward Fisher3 Member
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#15 ·
By the way, those Saudis and their various satellites orbiting them... they don't really grasp the concept of refugees, do they? To them, people are just another commodity, much like any other import. If they can simply order a shipment from somewhere else, why wouldn't they?
driftingfox66 driftingfox66 Active Member
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#16 ·
The fact that a society like that ended up sitting on all that black gold is the biggest cosmic joke ever.
Justin Smith5 Justin Smith5 Member
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#17 ·
driftingfox66 said:The fact that a society like that ended up sitting on all that black gold is the biggest cosmic joke ever.

I mean, better them having it than the Russians, I guess. It would be an absolute disaster if Putin actually had control over the global oil supply.
Edward Fisher3 Edward Fisher3 Member
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#18 ·
Justin Smith5 said:I mean, better them having it than the Russians, I guess. It would be an absolute disaster if Putin actually had control over the global oil supply.

Let’s not pretend there isn't some hypocrisy at play here... if you had a daughter, wouldn't you just as easily prefer a Russian over, say, a Saudi for a son-in-law? Since we are already discussing catastrophes and supposed evils, why stop now?
Joshua Diaz18 Joshua Diaz18 Member
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#19 ·
Jamie Anderson86 said:Suddenly, statements from "unnamed officials" are considered reliable enough, and the Mexican media has all of a sudden become a credible source of information. How can anyone possibly question the competence of the people discussing this topic here!?

It’s simple! I wrote, "Saudi Arabia claims...", yet you turn around and slap a label on me suggesting I actually trust these anonymous officials, the Saudis, or the Mexican press?

Why bother with that kind of reach when it's painfully obvious from my post that I was merely passing along the information?
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#20 ·
driftingfox66 said:The fact that a society like that ended up sitting on all that black gold is the biggest cosmic joke ever.

If only this cosmic imbalance could be rectified as quickly as one might wish!

1. You rationalize the consumption of oil.
2. You extract it from your own domestic sources.
3. You work toward securing energy from other means, such as coal, nuclear power, or hydroelectricity.
4. You invest in viable alternative sources, including geothermal energy and tidal currents.

And thus, step by step, you systematically dismantle the demand for Saudi oil until they are forced back into the Stone Age.

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