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Should I say "no" or just brush it off?

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goldenheron6 goldenheron6 MemberOP
33 messages
joined Jun 2015
#21 ·
I'm all for de-escalating things when a conflict pops up. It’s just smarter.
Besides, that secretary isn't even my boss—she's just some regular employee,
but they stuck me over at her desk to train.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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joined Jan 2021
#22 ·
Stop obsessing over everyone else and start boosting that ego... learn how to be a little cynical—do it with a smile and just enjoy the ride. It’ll help balance out the group dynamic.
silverhawk9 silverhawk9 Member
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joined Jun 2014
#23 ·
frozenmaker74 said:
silverhawk9 I can't even begin to explain how much this whole situation gets under my skin, but here we go again. Honestly, if I had a nickel for every time I’ve sat here staring at the screen, wondering why on earth anyone would think this was a good idea, I’d probably be retired in Florida by now instead of just sitting here venting to you people. It’s like there's this collective refusal to see the obvious, you know? We’re all standing around watching the same train wreck happen in slow motion, and yet, someone—and I won't point fingers, though we all know who it is—decides that now is the perfect time to double down on the exact thing that caused the mess in the first place. It’s almost impressive, in a deeply frustrating, "why am I even talking about this" kind of way. Anyway, I digress. What was I saying? Right, the sheer absurdity of it all.
I mean, obviously you’re going to get the hell away from an abuser. Like, is that even a question? It’s common sense, really, though I guess some people act like it isn't.

Look, you can't exactly just walk away from the situation if it involves the boss lady. I mean, unless she hands you a pink slip or tells you to pack your desk, you're pretty much stuck in that orbit. It’s just how the corporate ladder works here in the States, isn't it? You're basically tethered to her whims until someone officially pulls the plug on your employment.

I mean, honestly, if you listen to what frozenmaker74 was saying earlier, it’s almost like they’re living in a completely different reality than the rest of us, which—don't get me wrong—is a talent in itself, but still. I was sitting there, just minding my own business, sipping on some lukewarm coffee, when I saw that post, and I couldn't help but think about how much we all tend to overcomplicate things. It’s like when you’re trying to fix a leaky faucet in a suburban house outside of Chicago and you end up calling an expensive plumber for something that basically required a single wrench and five minutes of common sense. We do that with everything, don't we? We make life this massive, convoluted obstacle course instead of just walking the path. And then you have people like goldenheron6 chiming in with their theories, and suddenly we've gone from a simple discussion about daily life to a full-blown congressional hearing on why the sky is blue. It gets exhausting, really. I’m just sitting here, probably being too dramatic, but sometimes you just have to step back and realize that most of the noise we deal with is just... noise. Just unnecessary static in an already loud world.

Look, it’s honestly pretty much impossible to just completely shut someone out without feeling like you're losing your mind a little bit. I mean, there is a massive, gaping difference between just choosing not to react and actually trying to go totally cold turkey on a person while you're simultaneously white-knuckling it through all that internal turmoil. It’s not the same thing at all—one is peace, and the other is just a slow-motion mental breakdown happening entirely behind your own eyes.

Sure, I mean, technically you're right on the money there, but the real kicker is the "how" of it all. Just saying you want to "smooth things over" sounds great on paper—it’s a lovely sentiment that could probably open up any locked door if you play your cards right—but at the end of the day, you actually have to step up and say it. You can't just sit there wishing for a better outcome; you've got to actually find the guts to vocalize it.

Honestly, that’s a whole different ballgame and doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about right now. (I mean, theoretically, there’s a connection somewhere in there, but I’d better just keep my mouth shut before I spiral into a massive tangent.)
Honestly, I find it a little weird that you’re out here throwing around terms like "black empathy," but hey, whatever floats your boat, I guess. ☕

Quincy:
Look, I’m not one to go shouting from the rooftops about every little shift in the wind, but we really need to talk about this whole idea of radical change because, honestly, it feels like we’re all just spinning our wheels in a massive, unorganized mud pit. You know that feeling when you wake up, grab your coffee—mine’s usually a burnt mess from a local diner that definitely doesn't follow health codes—and you realize that everything you thought was set in stone is actually just shifting sand? That’s where we are. It’s like when my car decides to give up the ghost right in the middle of a busy intersection in Chicago; suddenly, the entire landscape looks different, much more chaotic, and you’re left standing there wondering why you ever trusted a machine to be reliable. We keep hearing these big, sweeping promises about fundamental shifts in how things work, whether it's in politics or just the way we interact with technology, and I can't help but feel a bit skeptical, or maybe just exhausted by the sheer velocity of it all. People love to throw around terms like "disruption" as if it’s some kind of holy grail, but most of the time, it just feels like someone decided to rearrange all the furniture in your house while you were sleeping, leaving you to trip over a coffee table in the dark. Is it necessary? Maybe. Is it going to be a total headache? Absolutely. I mean, don't get me wrong, progress is fine and dandy, but I think we sometimes forget that tearing everything down just to build something slightly shinier isn't always the smartest move if the foundation was already cracking. It’s a lot to process, and frankly, I might need another cup of that terrible diner coffee before I can wrap my head around the implications of it all. kaže:
It’s like you’re just completely ignoring who you actually are at your core, right? You end up just putting on this massive, exhausting performance of being cold and detached—basically acting out some version of yourself that doesn't even exist—just so you can suppress everything you're feeling and live in total opposition to your own damn soul.
Look, you made some really solid points there about self-confidence, and honestly, I’m right there with you on that, but because of that exact reason, I think what you said above is a little off—though, I'll give you credit, in the specific context you were using, it might actually hold water. You don't necessarily have to put on an act of being cold if you can just actually achieve that state naturally. A person who truly carries themselves with confidence is going to state their opinion, plain and simple, and then they're just going to sit there through all the inevitable, frantic hysterics that follow without breaking a sweat, mostly because they know they're right. Once that's done, I just don't see much room for anyone to keep throwing punches at someone who's genuinely cool.

Actually, it does relate, because this kind of behavior is uniquely characteristic of narcissists within marriages. Most of us tend to develop hatred or intolerance toward people who mistreat us. I mean, when someone is being cruel to you, you aren't exactly going to love them, right?🙄, though clearly, the individuals mentioned here do, which is why I noted that such cases are the exception to the rule.😛

As for the author, you really need to start loving yourself and putting your own needs first. You have to stand up for yourself. I used to be just like you, but I'm making progress and fighting for my own well-being. It doesn't matter if some insignificant nobodies comment that I'm a narcissist or arrogant or whatever else. Don't ever let them walk all over you.👍 My advice? Don't engage in any personal drama with her. Just get your work done and act as if she doesn't even exist. No personal stories, no small talk—nothing.
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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joined Mar 2015
#24 ·
goldenheron6 said:Thanks for the advice 🙂

That sounds like the dream.

Back when I was working for my first mentor, instead of actually teaching me anything, she’d constantly send me out to grab
specific snacks for her, or different drinks, and I had to hit up three or four different stores like Whole Foods or Target
just to find the exact brand and product she wanted. When it was freezing outside in the winter, she wouldn't even
bother turning on the heater in the office. I’d be shivering, and she’d just tell me to "go walk down the hallway."
And honestly, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Basically, what you said is spot on. These people are just frustrated and need a "pushover" to
dump their crap on. And this woman really has issues. I honestly think she might have a personality disorder.
It didn't stop there either; once I moved to a different department, she caught me
walking into my own office and told me
to go buy her something again. It was endless. Of course, being an idiot, I
actually went and did it, instead of just saying, "Sorry, I can't, I've got other stuff to do."
Not to mention, while I was under her, she’d insult me and try to
stop me from hanging out with anyone else at work except her.
I’d be out on the patio with the crew and she’d show up and bark, "Get inside!"
Totally bossy, acting like she owned the place.

Here’s another one of my "worst-case" scenarios.
Someone who barely knows me asks for a huge sum of money, and when I respond
with "I can't" or "I don't have it," suddenly I'm the cheapskate.😁

Honestly, why would you care how you come across to someone who is clearly just trying to exploit you? (In this hypothetical, purely imaginary scenario, of course.) 👍

I find it hard to believe you’d even entertain the thought... though I suppose one should always be wary of the scammers out there. They’re everywhere online, just waiting to pick people apart. 🤦

Let’s try another test. Since you aren't carrying much cash right now, you shouldn't even be tempted by this:

Suppose I ask you for a full year of your life. I want you to dedicate all your free time exclusively to me. I might need you here or there, but essentially, you need to be available at all times. Do we have a deal? 😉

...Don't tell me you're actually considering anything other than finding a clever way to brush me off. 🙂
Michelle Kim3 Michelle Kim3 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2015
#25 ·
goldenheron6 said:Hey there.

So, I’m 26, and I feel like I should have my life together by now—you know, have a solid personality and actually know what I want out of things.
The problem is, I just can't bring myself to say "no" or shut someone down when they're being disrespectful.
It’s especially bad whenever I’m trying to fit into a new crowd, like starting a new job.
I’ve had two jobs so far, and both times I ended up dealing with some total jerk. At the first one, my boss was constantly barking orders and insulting me; at the second, she was straight-up gaslighting me. I still haven't figured out how to stand up for myself and tell them off to their face. Instead, a coworker had to step in and handle it for me, which finally got them to back off. I guess I’m just too soft and sensitive. I’m always worried about offending people, plus I really hate being the center of attention.

I don't deal with that older coworker anymore since I got transferred to a different
department, but get this—just a few days after the move, she shows up at my desk asking me to buy her stuff...
And of course, I couldn't even find the words to say "no" or even "I can't."
I just let people walk all over me and boss me around.

Now I'm wondering why I totally freeze up whenever I need to snap back at someone who's poking at me. My life is actually great—I live with my parents in a beautiful house, and since I'm an only child, I definitely got spoiled a bit. Everything is perfect on the home front.
But back in high school, I dealt with a lot of psychological bullying. Can that kind of stuff mess with you later on?

frozenmaker74 frozenmaker74 Member
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joined May 2012
#26 ·
silverhawk9 said:Actually, it does relate, because this kind of behavior is uniquely characteristic of narcissists within marriages. Most of us tend to develop hatred or intolerance toward people who mistreat us. I mean, when someone is being cruel to you, you aren't exactly going to love them, right?🙄, though clearly, the individuals mentioned here do, which is why I noted that such cases are the exception to the rule.😛

As for the author, you really need to start loving yourself and putting your own needs first. You have to stand up for yourself. I used to be just like you, but I'm making progress and fighting for my own well-being. It doesn't matter if some insignificant nobodies comment that I'm a narcissist or arrogant or whatever else. Don't ever let them walk all over you.👍 My advice? Don't engage in any personal drama with her. Just get your work done and act as if she doesn't even exist. No personal stories, no small talk—nothing.


Look, this isn't some deep mystery about love; it’s really just about being financially tethered to these people. Honestly, that’s probably the only actual common thread between victims of domestic abuse and victims of workplace bullying—that dependency on the abuser. If they weren't tied down by money, both groups would just walk away from those relationships in a heartbeat. And when it comes to workplace bullying, the whole point of calling it out is to make the bully realize what they're doing, because half the time, they don't even see it. Plus, if they keep acting up, there are actual ways to hold them accountable through HR or legal channels.

So, your advice is essentially:
silverhawk9 said:Actually, it does relate, because this kind of behavior is uniquely characteristic of narcissists within marriages. Most of us tend to develop hatred or intolerance toward people who mistreat us. I mean, when someone is being cruel to you, you aren't exactly going to love them, right?🙄, though clearly, the individuals mentioned here do, which is why I noted that such cases are the exception to the rule.😛

As for the author, you really need to start loving yourself and putting your own needs first. You have to stand up for yourself. I used to be just like you, but I'm making progress and fighting for my own well-being. It doesn't matter if some insignificant nobodies comment that I'm a narcissist or arrogant or whatever else. Don't ever let them walk all over you.👍 My advice? Don't engage in any personal drama with her. Just get your work done and act as if she doesn't even exist. No personal stories, no small talk—nothing.

Meanwhile, I’m looking at what the professionals suggest is the "right" way to handle this:
http://workplace-wellness.org/advice/
"Have an open conversation with the person mistreating you regarding their behavior and actions."
And hey, I'm sure the experts have their reasons for recommending that to victims in the first place.

In my book, an empathetic person might actually get a better result because of how they approach the bully, but I notice people constantly confuse empathy with pity (or even love 😵), which are definitely not the same thing, and that's probably where all these misunderstandings stem from.

But hey, at the end of the day, the author will decide which path to take and deal with whatever kind of atmosphere ends up lingering in her office.
goldenheron6 goldenheron6 MemberOP
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joined Jun 2015
#27 ·
I’m done working for that secret, thank God, but if I had stayed
it would’ve been pure abuse.
I can't tell if she actually doesn't realize how incredibly awkward she acts
toward everyone else—like, is she playing dumb?
Or does she just straight-up love acting like a drill sergeant and treating people like her personal maids?
Roger Scott17 Roger Scott17 Member
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joined Jul 2015
#28 ·
If you can't learn how to just say NO, then honestly, just tell 'em to FUCK OFF 🙂
crimsongull20 crimsongull20 Active Member
84 messages
joined May 2004
#29 ·
This type of woman... if she’s your boss (classic narcissistic trash), you can buy her off easily with a few compliments—preferably about her looks. Once that's done, you just run your own show. Anything you don't want to do, you dodge with a smile and a convincing, possibly made-up excuse. Just keep up the weekly dose of flattery until she finds a new victim. They'll eat out of your hand, and you can do whatever you want with them. It's the easiest kind of boss to manipulate.
frozenmaker74 frozenmaker74 Member
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joined May 2012
#30 ·
goldenheron6 said:I’m done working for that secret, thank God, but if I had stayed
it would’ve been pure abuse.
I can't tell if she actually doesn't realize how incredibly awkward she acts
toward everyone else—like, is she playing dumb?
Or does she just straight-up love acting like a drill sergeant and treating people like her personal maids?

Look, if she’s acting this way toward everyone else too, then it clearly isn't some "personal flaw" of yours that you need to fix; the issue is entirely her. Honestly, she probably doesn't even see it because she's been acting like this for so long it's become her default setting, and if nobody ever calls her out on it, she likely assumes she's behaving perfectly normally. It's simple: the people who actually mind will say something, while the ones who don't just stay quiet and basically "enjoy" the ride right along with her. 😉
The truth is, there are certain types of people who actually crave being told what to do because they lack any sense of self-organization, and then there are those who feel most comfortable playing the victim—which, in an American corporate office, usually manifests as people desperately trying to suck up to the bosses, who then end up exploiting that exact behavior.

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