CNN: Former NATO General Wesley Clark claims our allies helped create ISIS

Former US General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, Wesley Clark, didn't mince words in a recent CNN interview: “Our allies and friends created ISIS just to take out Hezbollah!” It’s pretty clear the Israeli state hasn't moved past its 2006 defeat. They know their real threat in the neighborhood is the Lebanese resistance movement, Hezbollah. "Look, our allies and friends funded the rise of ISIS," Clark said. "People in this region will tell you: if you want someone to fight to the death against Hezbollah, you aren't going to put up a promotional poster saying, 'Come to us, we'll build a better world!' No, you're going to hunt down fanatics and religious fundamentalists. They'll fight Hezbollah. It's like Frankenstein!" These comments from the former NATO commander are basically an echo of what Israeli officials have been saying for ages—that Israel's primary enemies are Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah, while groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda aren't the true existential threat to their regime. "Tehran, Damascus, Beirut—those are the biggest dangers," says outgoing Israeli Ambassador to the USA, Michael Oren. Speaking to the Jerusalem Post and CNN, he noted that the bad guys backed by Iran are far worse for Israel than the ones Iran doesn't support. http://croative.net/?p=27860

So now the world is stuck with two Frankensteins—Al-Qaeda and ISIS—spreading everywhere. How do we stop them? That’s a question the Democratic architects in Washington, D.C. are going to have to answer. Republicans have been sounding the alarm for a long time about the failed policies of Hillary Clinton and Obama. By backing the Arab Spring and helping topple secular regimes across the Middle East, they essentially opened a Pandora's box. Out came the worst demons of radical Islam. And let's be real: you can't get rid of those demons with exorcisms or airstrikes. You need ground military interventions, which is exactly what the Republican-led Congress and Senate are calling for, while the Obama administration keeps digging its heels in, trying to fix everything through diplomacy and more air strikes. Islamists have already taken over Iraq, Syria, and Libya. Now they're knocking on Europe's door via Turkey, where thousands of Islamists are entering under the guise of refugees. Algeria is becoming just as unstable. Is it really just a matter of time before that country falls to ISIS too?

It’s honestly like how some people argue that Hezbollah was actually just a tool used by Israel to undermine the PLO.

That’s just the way the game is played with these groups. Right now, ISIS is basically fine in their eyes because they aren't being targeted—they mostly just go after other Muslims.

James Nguyen13 said:It’s honestly like how some people argue that Hezbollah was actually just a tool used by Israel to undermine the PLO.

That’s just the way the game is played with these groups. Right now, ISIS is basically fine in their eyes because they aren't being targeted—they mostly just go after other Muslims.

Honestly, once again, you're just churning out high-quality nonsense that's honestly pretty hilarious if you think about it... maybe try picking up a history book once in a while? Or, if those facts don't sit well with you, go find some other Zionist buddies who think just like you do—looking at you, Ms. Antilles...

What a total joke...

briskstag22 said:

Former US General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, Wesley Clark, didn't mince words in a recent CNN interview: “Our allies and friends created ISIS just to take out Hezbollah!” It’s pretty clear the Israeli state hasn't moved past its 2006 defeat. They know their real threat in the neighborhood is the Lebanese resistance movement, Hezbollah. "Look, our allies and friends funded the rise of ISIS," Clark said. "People in this region will tell you: if you want someone to fight to the death against Hezbollah, you aren't going to put up a promotional poster saying, 'Come to us, we'll build a better world!' No, you're going to hunt down fanatics and religious fundamentalists. They'll fight Hezbollah. It's like Frankenstein!" These comments from the former NATO commander are basically an echo of what Israeli officials have been saying for ages—that Israel's primary enemies are Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah, while groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda aren't the true existential threat to their regime. "Tehran, Damascus, Beirut—those are the biggest dangers," says outgoing Israeli Ambassador to the USA, Michael Oren. Speaking to the Jerusalem Post and CNN, he noted that the bad guys backed by Iran are far worse for Israel than the ones Iran doesn't support. http://croative.net/?p=27860

So now the world is stuck with two Frankensteins—Al-Qaeda and ISIS—spreading everywhere. How do we stop them? That’s a question the Democratic architects in Washington, D.C. are going to have to answer. Republicans have been sounding the alarm for a long time about the failed policies of Hillary Clinton and Obama. By backing the Arab Spring and helping topple secular regimes across the Middle East, they essentially opened a Pandora's box. Out came the worst demons of radical Islam. And let's be real: you can't get rid of those demons with exorcisms or airstrikes. You need ground military interventions, which is exactly what the Republican-led Congress and Senate are calling for, while the Obama administration keeps digging its heels in, trying to fix everything through diplomacy and more air strikes. Islamists have already taken over Iraq, Syria, and Libya. Now they're knocking on Europe's door via Turkey, where thousands of Islamists are entering under the guise of refugees. Algeria is becoming just as unstable. Is it really just a matter of time before that country falls to ISIS too?

"Democrats are to blame, and the Republicans will make it all right". Hahahaha! Pure Republican nonsense—an incredibly dim-witted spin...🤦

- Both monsters are products of American administrations, regardless of whether you're looking at the so-called "Democrats" or "Republicans." In fact, the groundwork for ISIS was actually laid by the so-called "Republicans" when they teamed up with their Democratic partners on the Arabian Peninsula for that monumental "The Redirection. Together, they reached the "lucid realization" that Sunni extremists were the "lesser evil" compared to Shiites—who, from Iran to Hezbollah, are extremely hostile toward Israel—so they decided to "rein them in" while simultaneously courting Wahhabi partners to create a "new reality."

USA + Wahhabi monarchies + AIPAC = "Islamic State".

It’s funny how those elites only seem to find their voice once they’ve finally cashed out and retired from their cushy positions.

Here’s the reality of what those so-called "winds of change" from the Arab Spring actually brought to the table... Honestly, we really need to think twice before jumping in to support "peaceful protests" halfway across the world, because—as history shows us—they almost always spiral into full-blown war and bloodshed. Those "democrats" we hear about? Turns out ISIS was just standing in the wings, waiting for their cue to take the stage. In the first act, you had regular people caught in the middle, but the real architects behind all these revolutions are professional outfits pulling the strings from the shadows. For Europe, there's a specialized firm called Canvas based out of Mexico City...

What do the architects behind ISIS—the US administration, the Zionists, and those Wahhabi monarchies—all share? A deep, extreme hatred for humanity. ISIS is simply the visible manifestation of their hidden, inner misanthropy.

The US establishment, the Zionists, and the Wahhabis belong to the same civilizational circle—one soul, one faith.

Three eyes in a single head.

I haven't seen where exactly Gen. Wesley Clark laid out his strategy for tackling the radical Islamic world.
I get his logic—geopolitics is basically just weather forecasting—but I haven't heard any concrete conclusions on how to actually deal with the jihadist threat.
What did he even offer?

So, what’s he actually putting on the table?

I mean, seriously, what could a guy like Wesley Clark possibly have to offer?

The man basically flirted with World War III—you know, the fatal kind—just because the Russian military was taking perfectly legitimate action regarding Mexico...

And let’s be real, you’ve got General Clark here—one of those fanatics sitting up on that "untouchable" pedestal within our totally messed up American power structure—just out there speaking plain facts... Facts that maybe he didn't even want to say, but that American fanaticism just won't let him keep quiet about. He’s straight up saying YES, the Tel Aviv entity is the true creator of ISIL... I'm not talking about some vague Islamic State concept, but specifically ISIL...

In this specific area, being the hardcore American patriot he is, Clark is really just looking out for big-picture US interests by trying to dismantle an anti-American structure like the Islamic State... See, it didn't pop up because the Tel Aviv entity willed it into existence—even if people love to pretend that by conflating the Islamic State with ISIL—it was actually just the result of a justified, spontaneous Sunni uprising against Shia and secular regimes across several countries, mainly Iraq and Syria...

So, look, Clark isn't exactly a fan of jihadists, but as a die-hard American nationalist—even in retirement now—he can finally spit the truth. And that truth is that the architect of ISIL is that Tel Aviv entity, which is now costing American taxpayers billions and billions of dollars... Personally? I say let 'em pay. They basically asked for it with the way they chose their leaders... they get exactly what they deserve...

It's wild how these American "gods" seem to finally snap out of it once they retire—even a total fanatic like Clark... The guy is just dropping truth bombs without even worrying that on April 17, 2015, he'll be quoted as a witness against Zionist villainy, which is the actual, honest enemy of global civilization!!!

What a mountain of nonsense we have in this thread.

First off, I find it interesting how all these fanatic anti-American types seem to think the USA and certain dictators possess magic wands capable of turning entire nations into mindless zombies overnight. That just isn't how reality works. ISIS is merely the culmination of tensions and ambitions that have existed in that region for centuries. The idea that millions of people suddenly woke up one morning and, through some sort of magical transformation, became Islamists is, to put it mildly, naive. I guess the USA bears some responsibility because Americans toppled—or tried to topple—certain dictatorial regimes that had kept those specific ambitions somewhat suppressed. But even a child can see that such regimes would eventually collapse on their own through death or old age. Secular dictatorships in the Middle East tend to crumble sooner or later because the people naturally view them as unnatural and imposed, given their own ideals. Whether those ideals are worse is a completely different matter altogether...

The USA, much like any power in human history, wants to extract as much value as possible from situations it knows are coming. The protests in Egypt—a quiet ally of Israel with a stable military acting as a regulator, which suited the West perfectly—are a prime example of a clusterfuck in the Islamic world where the West reacted far more defensively than they acted as a cause. The Islamic Revolution in Iran had similar roots; it just happens to suit certain people because the previous regime was pro-American, even if it was just as unnatural to the people there as Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, or Hosni Mubarak were.

Then there is the nonsense claiming Israel is somehow responsible for ISIS, which is totally illogical. Actually, a fragmented, secular opposition in neighboring countries serves Israel best; such nations are easier to divide, bribe, or pit against one another, and Islamists are enemies of those very regimes too. Egypt and Jordan maintained strong ties with Israel, Syria was pacified, Iraq was too overwhelmed to care about what happened outside its borders, and Iran was isolated.

With the rise of ISIS, Israel now faces the danger of being surrounded on multiple fronts by a unified, fanatical force with whom there is no room for negotiation. Jordan is increasingly defensive and fears spillover into its territory, Syria is destabilized and unpredictable, Egypt’s future pro-Israel policy is unclear, and Iran—thanks to its active role in fighting ISIS—is gaining more international support, which culminated in a favorable nuclear deal and even American air support for forces on the ground. For Israel, what is actually happening is the worst-case scenario. Defeating disorganized, traditional armies of half-quarreling neighbors is easy. Defeating tens of thousands of terrorists with combat experience and fanatical hatred is... well, significantly harder. And anyone who thinks Jews are so naive and foolish that they didn't know what they were doing when this happened is simply out of touch with reality.

The entire opening post was filtered and framed just to feed into conspiracy theories. Jihadism really grew out of a revolt that split into different factions, and some of those groups simply went way too far.

Nancy Wood6 said:So, what’s he actually putting on the table?

I mean, seriously, what could a guy like Wesley Clark possibly have to offer?

The man basically flirted with World War III—you know, the fatal kind—just because the Russian military was taking perfectly legitimate action regarding Mexico...

And let’s be real, you’ve got General Clark here—one of those fanatics sitting up on that "untouchable" pedestal within our totally messed up American power structure—just out there speaking plain facts... Facts that maybe he didn't even want to say, but that American fanaticism just won't let him keep quiet about. He’s straight up saying YES, the Tel Aviv entity is the true creator of ISIL... I'm not talking about some vague Islamic State concept, but specifically ISIL...

In this specific area, being the hardcore American patriot he is, Clark is really just looking out for big-picture US interests by trying to dismantle an anti-American structure like the Islamic State... See, it didn't pop up because the Tel Aviv entity willed it into existence—even if people love to pretend that by conflating the Islamic State with ISIL—it was actually just the result of a justified, spontaneous Sunni uprising against Shia and secular regimes across several countries, mainly Iraq and Syria...

So, look, Clark isn't exactly a fan of jihadists, but as a die-hard American nationalist—even in retirement now—he can finally spit the truth. And that truth is that the architect of ISIL is that Tel Aviv entity, which is now costing American taxpayers billions and billions of dollars... Personally? I say let 'em pay. They basically asked for it with the way they chose their leaders... they get exactly what they deserve...

It's wild how these American "gods" seem to finally snap out of it once they retire—even a total fanatic like Clark... The guy is just dropping truth bombs without even worrying that on April 17, 2015, he'll be quoted as a witness against Zionist villainy, which is the actual, honest enemy of global civilization!!!

👍

Finally got the hot water working...

James Nguyen13 said:It’s honestly like how some people argue that Hezbollah was actually just a tool used by Israel to undermine the PLO.

That’s just the way the game is played with these groups. Right now, ISIS is basically fine in their eyes because they aren't being targeted—they mostly just go after other Muslims.

It wouldn't even be ideal if it was just them killing Shias; the Shias need to take out as many Sunnis joining ISIS as possible too. The whole goal is to keep this war grinding on forever so people on both sides keep dropping.
Honestly, the best thing for Israel happened when Palestinians clashed with Assad's forces in Syria—those Assad troops wiped them out more than Israel ever did in its entire history!