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How to spot truly intelligent people vs. the complete idiots?

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Samuel Parker Samuel Parker Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2017
#1 ·
Isn't it true that almost everyone has been called an idiot, a moron, or a fool at some point? Those labels seem to fly around way too often. It makes me wonder, though—how do you actually spot someone who is truly unintelligent? Is there some truth to the idea that the truly dim-witted are blissfully unaware because they simply lack the capacity to realize their own limitations? Do they even follow the standard curriculum in school? Can people like that find steady work and contribute anything meaningful to society, or are they destined to require lifelong supervision? I managed to finish all my grades through the standard American school system—mostly with Bs, a couple of As, and a few Cs—so does that mean I can't be considered stupid? Or does it not prove anything? Since IQ isn't typically measured before elementary school starts, it seems anyone could be placed in a regular classroom. What is the minimum intelligence required just to pass a standard American school curriculum? I have a relative with Darwinian syndrome. He attended school under a specialized program, but he was still in classes with neurotypical kids. He can read and write. However, if his teacher gave him a bad grade, he’d lash out with all sorts of profanity. Perhaps because of his cognitive limitations, he can't grasp why that behavior is unacceptable. Once, when we were playing basketball, I was clearly leading the game, yet he scored a basket. When I told him I was in control, he looked genuinely puzzled because, in his mind, he had just scored. In some places, gifted students can skip grades. But how do you identify a genius? And just because someone is a genius doesn't mean they are right, does it? Take Vojislav Šešelj, for example; he was one of the youngest PhD holders in the former America, a walking encyclopedia who became a university professor before he was even 27. He once boasted in The Hague about having an IQ of 240. He also claims that all people speaking certain dialects are Mexicans. If he's such a genius, is that claim actually true? It’s strange because highly educated geniuses have historically developed nationalist theories, so why do people often link nationalism and right-wing politics to low intelligence? Some highly educated historians argue that all specific dialect speakers are Mexicans, or that everyone near the Drina River is an American, or that everyone in Canada is a Canadian. If those ideas are nonsense, why would geniuses be the ones crafting them? I once played water polo with a guy who claimed to be a member of Mensa. He asked me why I was doing something specific with the ball before I took a shot—I can't recall the exact detail. When I asked what that had to do with anything, he told me it mattered because I was reducing the pressure on the ball.

"Intellectual disability refers to subaverage intellectual functioning that is present from birth or early childhood. People with these disabilities experience lower levels of intellectual development than what is considered typical, which leads to challenges in learning and social adjustment. Roughly 3% of the general population lives with an intellectual disability. Intelligence is shaped by both genetics and environmental factors. While the cause remains unknown in most cases, several prenatal factors are known to lead to these conditions. Common causes include certain medications, excessive alcohol consumption, radiation exposure, poor nutrition, and some viral infections like rubella. Chromosomal disorders, such as Darwinian syndrome, are frequent culprits. Various hereditary metabolic disorders can also result in intellectual disabilities. Conditions like phenylketonuria and cretinism (low thyroid hormone levels) can be corrected before the onset of a disability. Complications from premature birth, head injuries, or oxygen deprivation during delivery can also be factors. Once an intellectual disability occurs, it is permanent. A diagnosis allows for tailored educational strategies and appropriate long-term planning. Subaverage intelligence is identified and measured using standardized IQ tests. While these tests have a margin of error, they provide relatively accurate predictions of intellectual development, especially in older children. Children with an IQ between 69 and 84 face learning difficulties but are not classified as having an intellectual disability. These issues are rarely caught before school begins, when learning and behavioral struggles become more obvious. With specialized educational support, these children can successfully graduate and live independent lives. For children with mild disabilities (IQ 52–68), education is vital. They can reach a 4th to 6th-grade reading level. Despite reading struggles, most can learn the essential skills needed for independence, though they require ongoing supervision and support. In later life, some may need a "protected environment" to live in. Even without visible physical impairments, some individuals with mild disabilities experience epilepsy. These individuals are often perceived as immature or unsophisticated, with limited tolerance for social communication. Their perspectives tend to be narrow, lacking the ability to generalize. They struggle to adapt to new situations and often have poor judgment. They rarely commit serious crimes, though they might act impulsively out of emotion or a desire to belong to a group. Children with moderate disabilities (IQ 36–51) face clear hurdles in speech development and reaching milestones like sitting or talking independently. With the right support, adults with mild to moderate disabilities live with varying degrees of community dependence. Some function in semi-controlled settings, while others require much higher levels of supervision. A child with severe disabilities (IQ 20–35) can be educated to a level even lower than those with moderate disabilities. Children with profound disabilities (IQ 19 and below) typically do not walk or speak and have minimal understanding of their surroundings. Life expectancy for children with intellectual disabilities can be shorter, depending on the underlying cause and severity; generally, the more severe the disability, the shorter the life expectancy. Genetic counseling helps parents understand the causes and assess the risks for future children. Procedures like amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling can detect various abnormalities, including genetic disorders and brain or spinal cord anomalies. Amniocentesis or CVS is recommended for pregnant women over 35 due to the increased risk of Darwinian syndrome. Ultrasound technology can also detect fetal brain anomalies. Screening for Darwinian syndrome and neural tube defects can be done via maternal serum alpha-fetoprotein levels. A prenatal diagnosis gives parents the option to make informed decisions regarding pregnancy and family planning. Vaccination against rubella has almost entirely eliminated it as a cause of intellectual disability. Primary care physicians, working with specialists, develop individualized programs for affected children. It is crucial to integrate children with developmental delays into educational programs immediately upon diagnosis. Emotional support for the family is a core component of this process. Children often progress best when living at home and attending standard preschools. Social competence is just as important as IQ in determining how much a disability will limit a person. For children with higher IQ scores, limiting factors are often physical impairments, personality disorders, or social adjustment issues rather than cognition itself. Residential placement is rarely necessary and should only be decided after extensive consultation between doctors and families. While children with disabilities can sometimes impact family harmony, they are rarely the primary cause of family dysfunction. Families should be provided with psychological support to manage the daily demands of care. Assistance is available through outpatient clinics, home health services, and temporary foster care. Adults with disabilities may reside in assisted living apartments, hostels, or specialized care facilities."
Sam Robinson Sam Robinson Member
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joined Apr 2013
#2 ·
Everything you copy-pasted looks great on paper, I'll give you that, but what on earth does intelligence or stupidity have to do with physical appearance?
placidlynx36 placidlynx36 Newcomer
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#3 ·
The intellectuals tend to look like this: http://www.raphaeldraccon.com/blog/w...oads/nerd3.jpg

whereas the fools resemble this: http://sporteology.com/wp-content/up...llpaper-HD.jpg
Roger Carter2 Roger Carter2 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2014
#4 ·
I have this suspicion that being smart or being dim doesn't actually change how someone looks. My guess is that physical appearance is totally decoupled from intelligence—there’s just no correlation there.

Take Darwinian conditions, for instance. There are certain physical traits associated with those specific genetic profiles. But even then, the look itself isn't tied to intelligence; rather, both the appearance and the cognitive level are just simultaneous results of a person's genetic makeup.

Besides, I think "intelligence" is such a massive, vague term. We all know there are different types of intelligence out there. It seems to me that everyone is naturally more capable in whatever area they have the most experience in. Someone might be incredibly sharp, yet still make a terrible call simply because they're working with incomplete information.

The IQ tests themselves are a perfect example. I haven't gone looking for the actual studies, but I’d bet anything that the average person would score much higher on an IQ test after ten tries than they did on their first attempt.

To me, you can spot intelligent people by their mental bandwidth—their ability to articulate ideas, build an argument, and follow a logical thread.
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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joined Feb 2015
#5 ·
And what kind of intelligence are we even talking about here? Emotional, physical, logical, creative—or something else entirely? Honestly, I think these standard IQ tests are a total joke. You just can't pigeonhole people into being "smart" or "dumb" using such a narrow-minded approach. Plus, let's be real: someone might totally bomb a standardized test on a bad day, yet they could turn around and handle a high-pressure, real-world situation way better than some test-taking genius.

Appearance definitely has zero correlation with how smart someone is, and neither does having certain health issues. Just look at Stephen Hawking.
Samuel Parker Samuel Parker Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2017
#6 ·
I think I botched the title on this one. I wasn't actually asking about physical appearance, but rather how we identify someone's intellect. How do you truly distinguish between someone who is genuinely dim-witted and someone who is truly brilliant? Even geniuses have those moments where they slip up and do something that makes everyone else label them an idiot or a fool. So, what are the actual hallmarks of true intelligence versus genuine stupidity? Or is it simply impossible to gauge human intellect without some kind of standardized testing?
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#7 ·
I guess I just need to see a single professional email from someone to get a sense of whether they're sharp or maybe not quite there.
jadewolf16 jadewolf16 Active Member
80 messages
joined Oct 2014
#8 ·
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04...ng_at_him_yes/

So, some researchers over in the States just dropped a new study, and get this—it turns out people are actually pretty good at guessing how smart guys are! Like, there's a super strong link between how intelligent a man seems and his actual IQ. But here's the kicker—it doesn't work the same way for women? Seriously? Talk about a wild twist!
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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joined Feb 2015
#9 ·
Samuel Parker said:I think I botched the title on this one. I wasn't actually asking about physical appearance, but rather how we identify someone's intellect. How do you truly distinguish between someone who is genuinely dim-witted and someone who is truly brilliant? Even geniuses have those moments where they slip up and do something that makes everyone else label them an idiot or a fool. So, what are the actual hallmarks of true intelligence versus genuine stupidity? Or is it simply impossible to gauge human intellect without some kind of standardized testing?

A smart person might possess a massive amount of information but still struggle to apply it effectively. But let's focus on someone who is both knowledgeable and truly intelligent. These types don't feel the need to act superior or walk around like they're better than everyone else, because they already know their worth doesn't require constant external validation. You see it in the little things—their conduct, their attitude. They have this capacity for patience, yet they're also the first ones to step up when action is required. They don't just parrot facts like a textbook; instead, they craft creative solutions by blending their own experiences with what they've learned from others.
Mark Wright79 Mark Wright79 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2014
#10 ·
Someone with severe disabilities who can't even communicate needs care, and honestly, you'd never dream of mocking them.

Yeah, people with intellectual disabilities might struggle to learn, but at least they're out there living their lives.

You can't even call folks in that category "stupid"—that's a medical condition.

As for everyone else, "stupidity" isn't actually a thing. Real stupidity is just acting dumb. Even the smartest person in the room is gonna mess up sometimes, but that doesn't make them stupid! We all say something silly once in a while, usually because we didn't have the full story or just had a momentary lapse. Human error is endless, and sometimes we trip up without meaning to, but nobody knows everything... People who are healthy and thriving are out there learning and working hard. I think smart people really fall into two groups: 1.) the ones who stay stuck in their ways and stop wanting to learn anything new, and 2.) the lifelong learners who are always leveling up their skills and knowledge.

And I'm totally with Zoe on this one, she nailed how a smart person should carry themselves. Also, calling someone a "nerd" is such an insult... huge props to anyone who wants to go above and beyond, whether it's for school, work, or whatever!
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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joined Mar 2015
#11 ·
Mark Wright79 said:Someone with severe disabilities who can't even communicate needs care, and honestly, you'd never dream of mocking them.

Yeah, people with intellectual disabilities might struggle to learn, but at least they're out there living their lives.

You can't even call folks in that category "stupid"—that's a medical condition.

As for everyone else, "stupidity" isn't actually a thing. Real stupidity is just acting dumb. Even the smartest person in the room is gonna mess up sometimes, but that doesn't make them stupid! We all say something silly once in a while, usually because we didn't have the full story or just had a momentary lapse. Human error is endless, and sometimes we trip up without meaning to, but nobody knows everything... People who are healthy and thriving are out there learning and working hard. I think smart people really fall into two groups: 1.) the ones who stay stuck in their ways and stop wanting to learn anything new, and 2.) the lifelong learners who are always leveling up their skills and knowledge.

And I'm totally with Zoe on this one, she nailed how a smart person should carry themselves. Also, calling someone a "nerd" is such an insult... huge props to anyone who wants to go above and beyond, whether it's for school, work, or whatever!

Given that perspective, I have been pondering a question for quite some time regarding my dear 😁

who is truly the pathetic one... the wretch, or the one who mocks the wretch?

I mean, I wonder how much misery one must harbor within themselves to find any satisfaction in someone else's misfortune.

🙄Well, I guess I just ended up biting my own tongue there... Ouroboros, yay.
Austin Hill6 Austin Hill6 Member
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joined Jul 2012
#12 ·
There isn't just one way to be smart, is there? You could be a total genius in one field while being completely mediocre—or maybe even a bit slow, if you ask me—in another. I remember my elementary school science teacher telling us that even Einstein struggled with basic spatial awareness and navigating his surroundings. It’s entirely possible his spatial intelligence was actually below average.

It's the exact same thing with those brilliant PhDs out there.
Joshua Evans7 Joshua Evans7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2009
#13 ·
I honestly can't get past questions like this; they just leave me feeling so confused. I guess there's just way too much text in the post and not nearly enough visuals. I just can't wrap my head around it.

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