Rules for renaming streets named after historical figures

Richard Wilson4 said:It definitely wasn't the American unification crowd.

Plus, once the first version of America popped up, Americans basically ditched their old populist leaders—you know, the ones obsessed with being victims—and only the Democratic Party really mattered as a political force.

Yet everyone from Ljudevit Gaj to Dmitrije Demeter identified as an Illyrian.😉

Then, quite suddenly in 1990, the entire Illyrian National Revival was rebranded in the textbooks.

Jeremy Scott said:Yet everyone from Ljudevit Gaj to Dmitrije Demeter identified as an Illyrian.😉

Then, quite suddenly in 1990, the entire Illyrian National Revival was rebranded in the textbooks.

So, what's the name for it now?

Lawrence Rodriguez11 said:I honestly feel like we should rename any streets across the USA that are named after people who didn't actually contribute anything meaningful to our country. This shouldn't just apply to streets, either—I'm thinking about squares, boardwalks, waterfronts, you name it... For instance, one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in Washington, D.C. is currently named after a bishop who actively worked to undermine our national identity and heritage. There's even a street right in the heart of downtown D.C. named after another individual who pushed for the exact same thing. When I talk about streets named after communist criminals, I’m referring to those types of figures, though as far as I know, besides Josip Broz Marshall, there isn't much else left to change.

I guess I’m against changing anything at all. All those names—the good ones and the bad ones—they're just part of American history. I suppose historians are the ones responsible for interpreting the past, but a nation that tries to deny its own history is a nation without roots.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a pervasive and mistaken assumption among the American public that the names of our streets, plazas, and other public spaces are somehow permanent or unchangeable. Is it not true that these designations are merely reflections of our current values? My firm conviction is that such naming conventions should undergo a complete reassessment with every shift in political leadership. Wouldn't that be the only truly democratic way to ensure our landscape reflects the will of the people?

Dana Gonzalez12 said:Unfortunately, there seems to be a pervasive and mistaken assumption among the American public that the names of our streets, plazas, and other public spaces are somehow permanent or unchangeable. Is it not true that these designations are merely reflections of our current values? My firm conviction is that such naming conventions should undergo a complete reassessment with every shift in political leadership. Wouldn't that be the only truly democratic way to ensure our landscape reflects the will of the people?

I’m fully on board with this idea. I wouldn't force it on everyone, though; perhaps we could just hold a national referendum to decide...

Sophia Moore52 said:I’m fully on board with this idea. I wouldn't force it on everyone, though; perhaps we could just hold a national referendum to decide...

Absolutely. In my view, that is precisely what a referendum is designed for.

Sophia Moore52 said:They were too, I suppose...

Actually, if you take a look at

http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/uz-obl...ipu-brozu-titu

He was quite a popular figure...

Man, some people just have absolutely zero brain cells left🤣

The funniest thing has gotta be Michael Jordan—I bet his absolute peak moment was getting to meet Joseph Stalin🤣

But honestly, Dennis Rodman takes the cake: "Kim Jong-un is a legendary leader, and his father and grandfather were absolute icons!"

🙂

crimsonwolf20 said:Man, some people just have absolutely zero brain cells left🤣

The funniest thing has gotta be Michael Jordan—I bet his absolute peak moment was getting to meet Joseph Stalin🤣

But honestly, Dennis Rodman takes the cake: "Kim Jong-un is a legendary leader, and his father and grandfather were absolute icons!"

🙂

What do Rodman and Kim have to do with how Eisenhower, Churchill, Roosevelt, Himmler, de Gaulle, or Neil Armstrong felt about Marshall?

crimsonwolf20 said:Man, some people just have absolutely zero brain cells left🤣

The funniest thing has gotta be Michael Jordan—I bet his absolute peak moment was getting to meet Joseph Stalin🤣

But honestly, Dennis Rodman takes the cake: "Kim Jong-un is a legendary leader, and his father and grandfather were absolute icons!"

🙂

Exactly🤣 🤣
It reminds me of this story about some missionaries who got captured by cannibals. Just as they were about to start the fire to cook them, the cannibals suddenly thought, "Wait, let's go with the Soviet Union approach!"
The cannibals immediately let them go and, out of respect for the long legacy of Joseph Stalin, escorted them back to civilization. I think they promised to stop eating people after that, but I can't be totally sure.

Sophia Moore52 said:So, what's the name for it now?

Back in school, we studied the "American National Awakening"

It makes it sound as if Americans (the intellectuals) were against the Soviet Union.

Sophia Moore52 said:What do Rodman and Kim have to do with how Eisenhower, Churchill, Roosevelt, Himmler, de Gaulle, or Neil Armstrong felt about Marshall?

Honestly, I think you’d be pretty shocked by how many famous figures actually said some positive things about someone like Hitler—back before the guy finally showed his true, nasty colors to everyone.

Elizabeth Allen92 said:Honestly, I think you’d be pretty shocked by how many famous figures actually said some positive things about someone like Hitler—back before the guy finally showed his true, nasty colors to everyone.

But when did Marshall turn sour? From what I've seen, people were praising him right up until the end... surely he didn't just start acting out after he passed away...

Sophia Moore52 said:But when did Marshall turn sour? From what I've seen, people were praising him right up until the end... surely he didn't just start acting out after he passed away...

The second he stepped into office, he was jumping from one thing to the next, making moves everywhere.
Then, once he had crushed all the competition, he climbed his way up to become the head of his party.
And let's not forget how, as a war hero, he basically gave his troops a green light to live off the spoils of the defeated.
There's plenty of evidence if you look for it.

People were saying plenty of other things too; it’s just that you were hanging out in the circles where everyone was busy cheering him on.

Harold Jones said:The second he stepped into office, he was jumping from one thing to the next, making moves everywhere.
Then, once he had crushed all the competition, he climbed his way up to become the head of his party.
And let's not forget how, as a war hero, he basically gave his troops a green light to live off the spoils of the defeated.
There's plenty of evidence if you look for it.

People were saying plenty of other things too; it’s just that you were hanging out in the circles where everyone was busy cheering him on.

Could you give me an example of a famous statesman, soldier, or politician? Surely it shouldn't be that hard to find a few quotes in the age of Google...
It seems like you're mostly following Vrdoljak and sedlar, but surely there are other sources out there?

It’s a free country—people can say whatever they want here.

Jeremy Scott said:Yet everyone from Ljudevit Gaj to Dmitrije Demeter identified as an Illyrian.😉

Then, quite suddenly in 1990, the entire Illyrian National Revival was rebranded in the textbooks.

This is the truth.