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School Reform: Thoughts?

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rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1481 ·
I was just thinking about how much homework I hear our kids are getting lately; they seem completely buried under all this material and assignments. 😱
I honestly don't know who is going to help my little one get through it all, especially since she only spends about 30 minutes on schoolwork at home each day. ☕
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#1482 ·
Yeah, yeah, my kid is basically screaming because he’s had way too much screen time, and now he’s begging to get back on the computer in like twenty minutes because he's "done."

Listen, son, you can't. You have way too much homework to do.🤣
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#1483 ·
I’m starting a new thread here after catching a few of the recent posts about COVID and the school system (didn't want to derail that specific discussion!), so I'm hoping a few more of you will jump in on this one.

Basically, I really feel like remedial classes and extra support shouldn't be lumped into the same bucket as electives.

In a truly reformed American school system, we should be stripping mandatory subjects down to the bare essentials and maxing out the number of elective options available.

An elective can be anything that actually sparks a student's interest and gives them a leg up—we're talking everything from "financial literacy" and "film art" to "creative writing" or even "meteorology and climatology." (Those are all actual elective titles you'll find in some schools today.)

The way I see it, high schoolers should choose their schools based on the sheer variety and depth of the electives offered that match their passions. To me, the future of education lies entirely in that kind of specialized, elective-driven learning.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1484 ·
How is things looking over in the States?
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#1485 ·
Sure, but it’s not just an issue here in the States. From everything I’ve read, watched, and studied, I haven't seen any other country where high schoolers are forced to juggle as many mandatory subjects as we do. Usually, the total number of classes a student takes hovers right around ten, with a set number of electives mixed in.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1486 ·
Well, our students get to choose their own subjects in high school 😁
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1487 ·
hiddendriver34 said:I’m starting a new thread here after catching a few of the recent posts about COVID and the school system (didn't want to derail that specific discussion!), so I'm hoping a few more of you will jump in on this one.

Basically, I really feel like remedial classes and extra support shouldn't be lumped into the same bucket as electives.

In a truly reformed American school system, we should be stripping mandatory subjects down to the bare essentials and maxing out the number of elective options available.

An elective can be anything that actually sparks a student's interest and gives them a leg up—we're talking everything from "financial literacy" and "film art" to "creative writing" or even "meteorology and climatology." (Those are all actual elective titles you'll find in some schools today.)

The way I see it, high schoolers should choose their schools based on the sheer variety and depth of the electives offered that match their passions. To me, the future of education lies entirely in that kind of specialized, elective-driven learning.

We actually started working on those extra credit and supplemental assignments back in middle school.
I’m of the same mind here—I really believe kids should first get a solid, equal footing with their core education. To me, that means if someone is falling behind because they have gaps in their fundamental knowledge, they should be getting extra tutoring or supplemental help much more frequently than just once a month. Once we ensure everyone has that baseline, then we can start focusing on elective subjects.
Even with elective courses, I feel like student interest varies wildly. It often feels like a total roll of the dice—you just hope you land in a class with a great professor or a cohort that actually clicks with you. During the pandemic, things got even weirder. A lot of those electives were suddenly restricted to just one specific major or section, so students ended up sticking strictly to what they were already interested in. Or, they had to take everything online, which was a whole different conversation entirely! In the end, all that "optional" learning usually ends up being a burden on the parents and our wallets. 🤷

I'm on board with that idea for high school.
I honestly don't think the main issue is just having too many different subjects on the schedule. To me, it feels more like we should rethink how we allocate our time. I’d love to see us scale back the hours for things like History, Geography, or Biology, and instead weave those core skills—like reading comprehension, summarizing, or just general communication—directly into our language classes. Whether it's English or a second language, integrating that kind of content would make much more sense than treating them as totally separate silos.

I honestly think those high schools that offer subjects taught entirely in English are such a fantastic option. I was looking into it recently, and it seems like some of the local prep schools still haven't let go of their German or French programs either—though, of course, that usually depends on whether they have a physics or chemistry teacher who happens to be fluent in those languages! 😂)
I think it’s a much more painless way to drill in some general culture.

I really feel like financial literacy should be a mandatory subject in schools. Honestly, I’d even go a step further and add ten specific questions about it to the SATs.
No kidding.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1488 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Well, our students get to choose their own subjects in high school 😁

If you look at prep schools, though, that isn't really the case.
(I think hiddendriver34 was actually referring to prep schools)
Most of them mainly differ based on their math, computer science, and foreign language schedules.
There were some interesting attempts to create specialized tracks—like combining languages and math with tourism or business studies🤣, but they eventually moved away from those experiments.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1489 ·
What about those other options? Like sports or tourism...
I’m completely out of the loop when it comes to high schools, so I'm pretty clueless on both counts. 😂
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#1490 ·
I mean, most kids—and their parents, too—still seem to be obsessed with aiming for prep schools. But honestly? Those four-year tracks involve learning a massive amount of fluff. It’s fine, I guess, for students who are totally lost after middle school and have no clue what they want to do—or, in my case, at least knowing what I definitely *don't* want to do. That's a start, I suppose.
But if you already know you want to pursue something like Mechanical Engineering, in my opinion, it makes way more sense to go to a technical vocational school. Why bother wasting time on history, music, art, or psychology...
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1491 ·
rowdypanther12 said:What about those other options? Like sports or tourism...
I’m completely out of the loop when it comes to high schools, so I'm pretty clueless on both counts. 😂

There is a sports track, but the enrollment requirements are completely different from what we're talking about.
As for the tourism program, they’re actually phasing out the current cohort they have; they aren't taking in any new students right now (I'm not entirely sure if there's just a lack of interest or something else going on...)
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#1492 ·
rowdypanther12 said:With my little girl doing school online, it basically feels like, "Read pages 35 through 43 in the textbook, finish the attached worksheet, and email it back by the end of the hour for homework."
And honestly, I don't see any sign that they’re actually covering less material or even revisiting the topics once the kids head back to the classroom.
Man, it’s like they’re treating them like community college students. And this isn't even a new thing—it was just like this 20 years ago, too.

There’s nothing wrong with that approach (even during a standard class period, you shouldn't be spending more than five minutes "interpreting" the lesson), but the teacher absolutely has to get feedback on what the kids didn't grasp and where they need extra help. Just because a worksheet is finished doesn't mean the student actually mastered the concept, right? That's why it's so vital that they aren't just copying from each other or having parents jump in to do the heavy lifting. Instead, if they hit a wall, they should just leave it blank and maybe add a note saying, "I don't get this" or "I'm stuck here."
Peter Rogers Peter Rogers Active Member
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#1493 ·
This is massive news and honestly, it’s just devastating—it turns out that when these absolute hacks churn out garbage books, nobody in our entire education system even bothers to call them out or provide any kind of real critique.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1494 ·
What are teachers actually doing if they aren't explaining anything? Are they just sitting there watching while kids try to teach themselves from a textbook? 😂
Now I finally get why that computer science teacher wouldn't bother explaining the difference between ROM and RAM when the students asked. He just told them, "It's in your book." 😂
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1495 ·
Luckily, some professors don't really follow those guidelines because they explain everything so clearly that the kids basically don't even need to study at home.
True, you put in so much effort online, while those who just give instructions like "go learn it yourselves" aren't any better in person either.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#1496 ·
FF, you are totally tripping. 😁

The whole idea of "lecturing"—or frontal instruction, if you want to get all academic about it—is completely outdated. You think you’ll see a teacher in a top-tier school in Sweden standing at the front of the room just droning on to a class? Of course not. And let's be honest, those Scandinavian schools are top-notch, much like how Ikein furniture is the gold standard. 😉

If a student teacher tries to pass their certification exam by spending an entire hour just "lecturing" the class, they’re going to fail. That style of teaching just doesn't fly anymore.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1497 ·
So, what are they up to?
What's the professor actually saying during class?
driftingranger2 driftingranger2 Active Member
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#1498 ·
Check out page 54
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1499 ·
In a perfect world, a teacher would design a lesson where students actually have to think—where they read through an explanation, tackle some problems, and hit those tough, high-level questions, all while learning how to ask themselves the right questions to reach their own conclusions. It shouldn't just be about them sitting there while the teacher feeds them everything on a silver platter to scribble down in a notebook.

But then there’s the reality check... if we're being totally honest here, maybe only about 30% of students actually have the headspace for that kind of deep dive—and honestly, even half of that group probably isn't feeling particularly motivated.
So, yeah... there you go. That’s "inquiry-based learning" for you. 😍
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#1500 ·
rowdypanther12, this whole "just read the textbook" thing isn't about luck. Honestly, a teacher should be designing "creative and engaging activities" meant to actually "spark a student's natural curiosity" so they *want* to dive into the material.

I’ll admit I’m being a little sarcastic here, but let's be real: the whole concept sounds great on paper—super idealistic—but it hits a wall in a real classroom. First off, you have certain classes that just roll their eyes at any activity you throw at them, no matter how fun or creative you try to make it. Their absolute favorite thing? Just sitting there, listening, and maybe scribbling a few notes. Our students can be pretty passive, and honestly, the American school system has kind of conditioned them to be that way. They don't want to get involved unless there's a grade riding on it. Second, if I just lecture through a topic in one hour, trying to cover it with various hands-on activities would easily take three.
And that "it's in the textbook" approach isn't even as crazy as it sounds (though it really should be phrased as, "Go check the textbook first, and if you're still stuck, then come ask me.")

By pushing students to hunt for answers in their books or online—positioning the teacher as the "last resort" once they've exhausted their own resources—you're actually fostering some real independence and research skills.

Anyway, I've gone on a bit of a rant using all that fancy modern teaching terminology. If you get it, you get it. And if you don't? Well, go look it up in a textbook or on Google. 😁

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