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Why is family being pushed so hard?

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#41 ·
Gregory Peterson2 said:The Church—or at least those representing the conservative establishment—spent a good chunk of time rejecting potatoes altogether. They actually argued that anything growing beneath the soil was surely the work of the devil. I suppose by clinging to such absurdities, they ended up triggering widespread famine across France, which ultimately paved the way for the Revolution.

🤣 So, I suppose we’re meant to believe that the true catalyst for the French Revolution wasn't actually the massive debt incurred from participating in the American Revolution—nor was it the general chaos of constant warfare and runaway inflation leading up to the uprising. No, apparently, it wasn't even the intellectual spark of the Enlightenment. Instead, I guess the whole thing boils down to the Church's theological stance on the potato.
Quincy:
I suppose I should probably start by saying that I don't claim to be an expert on everything, but there are certain patterns in our current political climate that seem almost too predictable to ignore. It feels like we are constantly circling the same drain, doesn't it? One moment we are debating minor policy shifts, and the next, it feels like the entire foundation of our civic discourse is being dismantled by people who wouldn't know common sense if it hit them in the face. I was thinking about this earlier today while watching the news, and it strikes me how much noise there is. Everyone has an opinion, everyone is shouting, yet very little actually moves the needle toward anything constructive. It’s all just performative outrage at this point. I guess some people find it entertaining, but to me, it just seems exhausting. We have these massive institutions—think of something like the Federal Reserve or even just the way the Department of Justice operates—that are supposed to provide stability, yet they often feel caught in the middle of this endless tug-of-war between extreme factions. Maybe I’m being too cynical, or maybe I’m just being realistic. It seems to me that we’ve lost the ability to have a nuanced conversation. Everything is binary now: you are either completely for something or completely against it. There is no middle ground, no room for "let me think about that," and certainly no room for admitting when you might be wrong. That lack of intellectual humility is, in my estimation, one of the greatest threats to our social fabric. It’s a bit unsettling, really, if you stop to dwell on it for more than a minute. kaže:
At its core, there seems to be this underlying tendency to strip children away from their family upbringing just so they can... Characters like Joe were shaped by their own deep-seated convictions and principles.If they actually manage to pull this off, we’re looking at the dawn of a sort of liberal fascism—a system where any thought that doesn't align perfectly with the established mainstream is effectively nipped in the bud before it can even take root.
I suppose the only real reason behind these attacks on the family unit is ideological indoctrination—basically, the way people are being manipulated through propaganda from a very early age. However... I wouldn't go so far as to call it a true liberal regime; honestly, it feels more like a pseudo-liberal tyranny to me.To me, being "liberal" essentially means parents feel entitled to raise their children however they see fit, without any external constraints. It’s a bit ironic, really—these people act like ideological tyrants while hiding behind the mask of freedom. It reminds me of the way dictators like Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot operated; they all claimed to be fighting for liberty, yet their actions were anything but free. 🤣 It seems like everyone is suddenly out to get the natural man.

Honestly, there isn't even a logical reason for this kind of psychological manipulation. At its core, manipulation is an end in itself. I suspect that those manipulators currently holding power—the types we’ve already discussed—are actually just mentally unstable individuals who don't truly grasp the consequences of their own actions. They don't seem to have a coherent ultimate goal they are trying to achieve; rather, it appears to be a collective delusion where they simply believe, "I am right, and everyone else is obligated to think exactly like me." And then, predictably, they label themselves as liberals. 🤣
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#42 ·
Gregory Peterson2 said:Don't you think it's a bit arrogant to assume we've already stumbled upon the "best" or most "optimal" way to live?
It's like when someone claims democracy is the absolute peak of social organization. Based on what? It's full of holes, just like everything else humanity has tried so far. The way we organize ourselves shifts right along with our consciousness. And believe me, that's a constant evolution.

and every single time this question comes up, someone inevitably suggests we just need to define "that thing" a bit better
but there’s never an actual answer...
nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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#43 ·
Papapapagenije;49840889 said:QUOTE]

You can't engineer an economy any more than you can engineer birth rates. You can't just decree how many TVs get manufactured or how many miles a semi-truck covers under its load, let alone dictate how many kids people decide to have.

Larry Robinson4 said:That's already happening; it's been a reality for quite some time now.

The fundamental purpose of any human being is growth, reproduction, and eventually, death. If we look at it purely from a technical standpoint, we are all essentially just units designed for labor and procreation. For the State, we represent its workforce and its reproductive capacity.

The traditional family structure is pushed so heavily because it serves the interests of the government and future generations—though, if you ask me, it probably serves the government even more.

Exactly. The family unit is a construct designed and incentivized by the state and those in power. Even surnames were introduced in America by Australia to make tracking military personnel and taxpayers easier. Property is passed down through the family, not to your next-door neighbor.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#44 ·
Gregory Peterson2 said:When you run out of actual arguments, you just resort to trolling.👍

I haven't managed to stumble upon a single actual argument from you; it’s just been one endless, tedious lamentation about how the family unit is somehow obsolete.
What exactly are we talking about here, and how does it even work?
Some people love to sit around making jokes about folks from rural areas, acting like they’re some kind of uneducated joke, but if you actually look at where things are headed, you’d realize that those small-town types might end up being the last true bastions of independent thought.
Even slavery, for crying out all, was just another part of the system.

We’re looking at a future where a handful of oligarchs basically own every single thing under the sun, and the rest of us? We won't even be considered cattle anymore; we'll just be treated like disposable consumer goods, nothing more than items on a balance sheet to be used up and tossed aside.
Honestly, I have to wonder what kind of sheer narcissism and ego you’d need to actually promote something like this—let alone sit around and dwell on it for more than thirty minutes straight—assuming, of course, that your IQ is actually higher than your shoe size.
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#45 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:and every single time this question comes up, someone inevitably suggests we just need to define "that thing" a bit better
but there’s never an actual answer...


socialism,>
progress, and actual freedom.

As long as capitalism is the one forcing everything through,
you’re never gonna see real happiness or any kind of real progress.
Zachary Collins2 Zachary Collins2 Active Member
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#46 ·
Gregory Peterson2 said:That just goes to show how much you struggle with reading comprehension.

Look, I’m not sitting here claiming that tribal structures are somehow better or more advanced than the nuclear family. I’m simply laying out the evolution of human society. The family unit hasn't always been the bedrock of our community, so why should we assume it has to stay that way forever?

so what exactly is your issue with the family unit?
did you grow up in a wolf pack or something?

ruggedpanther13 said:I see we're talking about Metallica here. And that whole dark, heavy metal scene they come from. 😁 What's the issue? Is it because of Stormcrow? 😁
I used to listen to that stuff all the time back in my college days, before I finally grew out of it.

Honestly, I’d probably suggest moving away from the Stormcrow and World of Warcraft vibes. 😁

Go for more Elvis Presley instead.

Anyway, take it easy everyone, catch you later. 🙂

😂👍
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#47 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:The whole family is basically pushing the church because:
they want to secure their own financial stability,
it makes keeping the masses under control way easier,
it’s a perfect tool for mobilizing the public whenever they need them,
and honestly, they don't owe those people any real moral obligations at all.😁

Bingo!

The government can certainly protect families through legislation, but in a pluralistic society like ours, people have to be allowed to choose their own way of life. The church really reaps the benefits from the traditional family model because it acts as the primary vehicle for passing down values—which is incredibly vital in a diverse society.

And there’s something else, something almost impossible to put into words: the constant recruitment of new "soldiers" in service to the church.
Ryan Carter3 Ryan Carter3 Member
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#48 ·
Yet another Leftist showing up on this forum.

Let me ask you something: when hunger strikes, who do you turn to? When your bank account hits zero, who do you look to for help? When you find yourself needing protection or basic security, where do you seek refuge? Is it the government you lean on, or is it your family?

I could sit here and write endless volumes of treatises regarding the immeasurable importance of the family unit and its role within society from any perspective you care to consider—be it evolutionary, biological, or anthropological—but I honestly don't think any amount of logic would help you grasp just how vital the family truly is.
George Parker3 George Parker3 Newcomer
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#49 ·
At its core, the purpose of a family is to raise children and provide them with everything they need to thrive...
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#50 ·
Ryan Carter3 said:Yet another Leftist showing up on this forum.

Let me ask you something: when hunger strikes, who do you turn to? When your bank account hits zero, who do you look to for help? When you find yourself needing protection or basic security, where do you seek refuge? Is it the government you lean on, or is it your family?

I could sit here and write endless volumes of treatises regarding the immeasurable importance of the family unit and its role within society from any perspective you care to consider—be it evolutionary, biological, or anthropological—but I honestly don't think any amount of logic would help you grasp just how vital the family truly is.


That's just how capitalism works! 😁

Under socialism, you aren't hungry,
you aren't broke,
and you aren't left without protection.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#51 ·
wearyowl29 said:Bingo!

The government can certainly protect families through legislation, but in a pluralistic society like ours, people have to be allowed to choose their own way of life. The church really reaps the benefits from the traditional family model because it acts as the primary vehicle for passing down values—which is incredibly vital in a diverse society.

And there’s something else, something almost impossible to put into words: the constant recruitment of new "soldiers" in service to the church.

Which is exactly why it’s so incredibly important for the political party to step in and take over that role instead.
So, you just send the kids off to boarding schools during the week and let them see their parents on the weekends (where they’ve been properly coached on exactly what to look out for and how to report back to their instructors regarding anything their parents might say).
By the end of the week, these kids will have learned everything they need to know about the state, specifically how the government and the Party are looking out for them, how happy they are, and exactly how they ought to behave and think if they want to maintain that happiness.
Sounds like North Korea, doesn't it?
James Vaughn28 James Vaughn28 Newcomer
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#52 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:That's just how capitalism works! 😁

Under socialism, you aren't hungry,
you aren't broke,
and you aren't left without protection.

Just another kid who’s never actually experienced socialism, yet acts like he’s some kind of genius when he’s really just being foolish.
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#53 ·
The whole family is basically pushing the church because:
they want to secure their own financial stability,
it makes keeping the masses under control way easier,
it’s a perfect tool for mobilizing the public whenever they need them,
and honestly, they don't owe those people any real moral obligations at all.😁
Ryan Carter3 Ryan Carter3 Member
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#54 ·
George Parker3 said:At its core, the purpose of a family is to raise children and provide them with everything they need to thrive...

That is one thing, certainly, but a family is so much more than just a functional unit for child-rearing. It serves as a fundamental pillar of human identity and acts as the essential cohesive force for any society. If you dismantle the family structure, aren't you effectively dismantling culture, social stability, and ultimately, civilization itself?
Furthermore, we cannot ignore the reality of blood relations; there is a biological, genetic component at play here that simply cannot be bypassed.
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#55 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:Which is exactly why it’s so incredibly important for the political party to step in and take over that role instead.
So, you just send the kids off to boarding schools during the week and let them see their parents on the weekends (where they’ve been properly coached on exactly what to look out for and how to report back to their instructors regarding anything their parents might say).
By the end of the week, these kids will have learned everything they need to know about the state, specifically how the government and the Party are looking out for them, how happy they are, and exactly how they ought to behave and think if they want to maintain that happiness.
Sounds like North Korea, doesn't it?


North Korea actually feels more human,
than the combination of the church and capitalism.☕
Maria Booth Maria Booth Active Member
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#56 ·
Family is the way to go because it’s just better than any other way to raise kids, period. Parents always give their little ones 110% and focus all that energy right where it belongs.
Plus, family is like private property—people always take way better care of what they actually own compared to stuff belonging to someone else!
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#57 ·
James Vaughn28 said:Just another kid who’s never actually experienced socialism, yet acts like he’s some kind of genius when he’s really just being foolish.


go ahead and annex me, Putin! 😁
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#58 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:North Korea actually feels more human,
than the combination of the church and capitalism.☕

Anyway, I won't stand in the way of your journey toward enlightenment or whatever it is you think you're finding here.
Gregory Peterson2 Gregory Peterson2 MemberOP
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#59 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:Which is exactly why it’s so incredibly important for the political party to step in and take over that role instead.
So, you just send the kids off to boarding schools during the week and let them see their parents on the weekends (where they’ve been properly coached on exactly what to look out for and how to report back to their instructors regarding anything their parents might say).
By the end of the week, these kids will have learned everything they need to know about the state, specifically how the government and the Party are looking out for them, how happy they are, and exactly how they ought to behave and think if they want to maintain that happiness.
Sounds like North Korea, doesn't it?

Man, you are taking this to such an extreme! It’s like me saying the whole family unit is broken just because some drunk dad comes home and beats his wife and kid, and then the whole group ends up in therapy for the rest of their lives.

Look, marriage—or a family, really—is primarily an economic unit. That’s its main purpose, plain and simple.

A child can feel love from an aunt, a grandma, or an adoptive parent just as much as from biological parents. You don't need a "mom-and-dad" household to provide love and proper upbringing. In fact, in modern times, the family isn't even the primary educator anymore. Daycares, schools, and the general society kids interact with handle that job—often more effectively than parents who rush home from work at 5:00 PM, grab a quick bite, and then just veg out in front of the TV until bedtime.

Now, I’m not suggesting we abolish or destroy the family, despite what some "geniuses" on this forum seem to think I’m saying. I have nothing against families. I’m just pointing out that it isn't the *only* good way to live, and we shouldn't view the traditional nuclear family as some perfect, untouchable ideal.
It’s just one type of community, and like everything else, it evolves. We shouldn't be trying to stifle that change.
Gregory Peterson2 Gregory Peterson2 MemberOP
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#60 ·
Maria Booth said:Family is the way to go because it’s just better than any other way to raise kids, period. Parents always give their little ones 110% and focus all that energy right where it belongs.
Plus, family is like private property—people always take way better care of what they actually own compared to stuff belonging to someone else!

What kind of cheesy American rom-com are we watching here?

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